Zygimantas
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"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."-- Steven Weinberg
Not even religion. In general, believed ideas can make a person do different things. An idea is nothing unless one puts belief behind it. Same with religion. You want to get rid of religion that is formed from ideas? Get rid of ideas, or at least any belief in them.
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It's hard to articulate, but the idea I guess I'm trying to convey is when some girls press up against you feel like they're pressing up against your soul.
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I apologize if it's inappropriate. But I feel this discussion needs a bit of levity in the form of penis humor.
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree. haha. I'm not try to "show it off in public" in anyway shape or form, I'm just trying to see what other people think/view life and religion. It's more for growth and learning than really anything else. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, because they may or may not be right. I just want to know what other people think.
I sincerely apologize if I have done anything beyond this. ^^
I don't think he was targeting you L2ski :P He was just addressing religion as a whole.
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Anybody else find a good portion of Latina girls to be pretty attractive?
Yep. I find all types attractive, I just sometimes don't find black women to be attractive as others.
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Where do you guys get your motivation from?
Why do you need motivation?
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Science has its place in life. But it is never going to tell you who you really are.
And to tell me who I am as a person, I have brilliant philosophical works of Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, etc. All of which have nothing to do with a belief that I have been poofed into existence by a magician or that I have some kind of spirit dwelling with in me that is going to go somewhere when I die.
The questions you are asking are questions of philosophy and are not what most religions are about. Whether or not there is a god has nothing to do with whether or not I subscribe to any sort of morality or philosophy. When I want to know what happened, I turn to science. When I want to know things about myself, I turn to philosophy. Religion...what does it answer? What does it have to do with philosophy?
Religions usually put philosophies into practice. Again, I am not in belief that there is a higher being out there.
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If God created the world, where was he before creation? If you say he was transcendent then, and needed no support, where is he now?...If he is ever perfect and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If,on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe then a potter could...If out of love for living things and need of them he made the world, why did he not make creation wholly blissful, free from misfortune?..Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without begginning and end, as is based on principles, life and the rest. Uncreated and indestructible, it endures undeer the compulsion of its own nature.
Beautiful words :)
Science has its place in life. But it is never going to show you who you really are.Don't use philosophy or science. Just use yourself. You say "I am a bag of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, etc." Now what are these elements? Eventually you will come to fundamental particles, but when asking what are they, don't just settle for "I don't know". Really look for an answer.
This doesn't make any sense. Do I use "myself" to answer other questions about the world? Should we "use ourselves" to find the cure for cancer, since science hasn't yet provided us with the answer? Until we have evidence that gives us answers, people don't just make up magical stories. Except for creation.
Doctors don't have a cure for AIDS, and we don't just say "Well, maybe if you close your eyes, clap your hands, and spin around three times, a leprechaun will appear and cure your AIDS" When asked for a cure for AIDS, we must say "We don't know yet". The same is true for the origins of time and space. We aren't sure yet, so we simply dont know, and we shouldnt pretend to know.
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So you make no guesses onto what it could be? That is great. Don't believe anything until you can be sure of it yourself. Now all you have to do is not give up on the question so fast. It's like you don't trust anything unless science tells you too.
Seeing that I operate in the rest of my life based on logical conclusions that are verified with evidence, I see no reason why I should jump to conclusions about anything else.
If my roof started leaking, I wouldn't automatically just try to make a random guess as to the reason why and then assume I was correct. I could, for example, assume that an intelligent being is trying to sabotage me and has placed a swimming pool on my roof. I could start living like this and not go seek evidence that tells me what is actually going on.
Or, I could do what a rational person would do, and seek the answer for why my roof is leaking. Most people don't operate by making irrational conclusions about causation in their daily lives. I fail to see why it makes any more sense to jump to an irrational conclusion about the origins of the universe without having some type of substantial evidence for which to make a conclusion from.
Exactly. Seek the answer. Don't make guesses. Simple things, like you say " I fail to see..." Ask yourself who is the "I" that fails to see. What is I? You will find an answer, then question that answer. Eventually you get to a point where basic logic or science can't help find you the answer, then you have to really try and look by yourself. Don't give up on the question just because others say they have found the answer. Look for yourself.
This doesn't make any sense. You seem to be suggesting that I should use philosophy to answer the origins of our universe. Why? We don't use philosophy to explain where animals come from, how to cure diseeases, etc. This really doesn't make any sense. Who am I? I am a bag of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, etc. Humans are nothing special.
Don't use philosophy or science. Just use yourself. You say "I am a bag of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, etc." Now what are these elements? Eventually you will come to fundamental particles, but when asking what are they, don't just settle for "I don't know". Really look for an answer.
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So you make no guesses onto what it could be? That is great. Don't believe anything until you can be sure of it yourself. Now all you have to do is not give up on the question so fast. It's like you don't trust anything unless science tells you too.
Seeing that I operate in the rest of my life based on logical conclusions that are verified with evidence, I see no reason why I should jump to conclusions about anything else.
If my roof started leaking, I wouldn't automatically just try to make a random guess as to the reason why and then assume I was correct. I could, for example, assume that an intelligent being is trying to sabotage me and has placed a swimming pool on my roof. I could start living like this and not go seek evidence that tells me what is actually going on.
Or, I could do what a rational person would do, and seek the answer for why my roof is leaking. Most people don't operate by making irrational conclusions about causation in their daily lives. I fail to see why it makes any more sense to jump to an irrational conclusion about the origins of the universe without having some type of substantial evidence for which to make a conclusion from.
Exactly. Seek the answer. Don't make guesses. Simple things, like you say " I fail to see..." Ask yourself who is the "I" that fails to see. What is I? You will find an answer, then question that answer. Eventually you get to a point where basic logic or science can't help find you the answer, then you have to really try and look by yourself. Don't give up on the question just because others say they have found the answer. Look for yourself.
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What causes those strings to even exist? What causes nuclear forces to even exist? Even before they exist, what exists?
I understand where this is going now.
So, a fundamental particle can't just exist in the universe without a creator? What is the alternative theory? That a super-intelligent being can exist without a creator? WHY? How is that any better? What made god?
We don't know what came before the universe, and we dont know why it is here. But that doesn't mean that we suddenly need to invent the theory that it exists via a magic act performed by a super intelligent being. How does that answer anything? Where did he come from?
There does not have to be a creator. Because like you said, what made god? I am not trying to point you in that direction. You think you are talking with someone who believes that there is a higher-being. You are not.
I just want you to think, what is before all of these forces and particles?
I already provided you with an answer to that question: we don't know.
So you make no guesses onto what it could be? That is great. Don't believe anything until you can be sure of it yourself. Now all you have to do is not give up on the question so fast. It's like you don't trust anything unless science tells you too.
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What causes those strings to even exist? What causes nuclear forces to even exist? Even before they exist, what exists?
I understand where this is going now.
So, a fundamental particle can't just exist in the universe without a creator? What is the alternative theory? That a super-intelligent being can exist without a creator? WHY? How is that any better? What made god?
We don't know what came before the universe, and we dont know why it is here. But that doesn't mean that we suddenly need to invent the theory that it exists via a magic act performed by a super intelligent being. How does that answer anything? Where did he come from?
There does not have to be a creator. Because like you said, what made god? I am not trying to point you in that direction. You think you are talking with someone who believes that there is a higher-being. You are not.
I just want you to think, what is before all of these forces and particles? And to people who believe in god, what is before god?
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As chemical reactions between atoms are at the base of everything's existence, what is before even those reactions? Where do they originate from?
What are you talking about man?
First of all lets set a few things straight. A chemical reaction happens between molecules, not between atoms. An atom is a particle that is composed of electrons, neutrons, and protons. These atoms will bond together to form molecules.
The particles which compose atoms (electrons, protons, neutrons) are held together by a combination of the two nuclear forces and the electromagnetic force. These particles are composed of gluons, leptons, quarks, etc. These fundamental particles are currently thought of as existing of strings and superstrings.
Did I answer your question? I don't quite understand what you are trying to even get at. Are you asking me how the fundamental particles of matter formed together to make the objects we see around us? I think that might be a tad difficult, seeing that you don't even have a basic understanding of the fact that atoms are not chemically reactive.
What causes those strings to even exist? What causes nuclear forces to even exist? Even before they exist, what exists?
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I love this! Keep up the arguments, but try to not be over aggressive with your arguments. Keep it nice and professional.
I have a question for a couple of you atheists. What are your views of thoughts (just go with me)? Are thoughts all just chemically induced reactions within the brain that allows to decide whether to do or not do a particular action? What about emotions? Are they also within the chemical-brain function? So then, if they are, what about love? Is love truly true? Or is it just a chemically induced feeling that we really can't trust? Also if love is just that, aren't just practically robots powered by chemicals? Another thing is logic. What about it? Is that just a big chemical process going on in your brain?
Deep down, I think it boils down to atomic interactions and chemical reactions in the brain, all emotions, memories and feelings. It is mechanical and purposeless, at the bottom.
What is below those chemical reactions?
What the HELL are you talking about? "Below" what?
As chemical reactions between atoms are at the base of everything's existence, what is before even those reactions? Where do they originate from?
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I love this! Keep up the arguments, but try to not be over aggressive with your arguments. Keep it nice and professional.
I have a question for a couple of you atheists. What are your views of thoughts (just go with me)? Are thoughts all just chemically induced reactions within the brain that allows to decide whether to do or not do a particular action? What about emotions? Are they also within the chemical-brain function? So then, if they are, what about love? Is love truly true? Or is it just a chemically induced feeling that we really can't trust? Also if love is just that, aren't just practically robots powered by chemicals? Another thing is logic. What about it? Is that just a big chemical process going on in your brain?
Deep down, I think it boils down to atomic interactions and chemical reactions in the brain, all emotions, memories and feelings. It is mechanical and purposeless, at the bottom.
What is below those chemical reactions?
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"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world."-Richard Dawkins
If we want humanity to advance, we must shed the chains of religion.
Even beyond that, we need to drop all that we think we might know, or what we think is real. Then take a look at who we really are, and what everything really is...
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It's not a belief, it's an interpretation of amounts.
Still, there's no reason to believe in a god.
Just like god is another interpretation of someone's perceptions.
Yes, but that's not what people claim. People claim in a humanoid all-powerful deity with consciousness, sapience and the power to reason. It has created the universe through a thought process similar to humans.
This kind of god is ridiculous, and it's the one I'm talking about.
I agree, that to me that does not seem true at all. Though if someone were to believe this, and I could not persuade them otherwise, then I would just let them be with their belief.
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Hold up two fingers. Now hold up one more finger. Now you're holding up 3 fingers. There's your damn proof.You atheists say "God does not exist and cannot be proven", I can say in clear conscience that "a+b does not exist". I can't show you direct proof that God exists, but you can't show me direct proof that a+b exists. Math still exists, and religion still exists all the same.You still can't provide the existence of YOUR god, let alone the existence of the hundreds of thousands of gods that exist and have existed.
2 doesn't exist and 1 doesn't exist. Therefore you have no proof that 3 is the sum of 2 and 1.
Don't be a troll. Are you telling me that I'm not holding up three fingers if all but my thumb and little finger aren't being held up?
If so, you belong in a mental institution.
In reality there is no such thing as those numbers, is what he is trying to say. ( I think)
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Yes, it is quite contradictory to say one belief is "wrong" and a delusion, and then say what you believe is "right". On the other hand life can be a big contradiction itself... oh well :P
I use the word "delusion" because it is the only word that I know to describe a belief that is firmly held despite evidence to the contrary. Do you know of any other words I could use?
For example: thinking that if you step on a crack, you break your mother's back. That is a delusion, from my understanding of the word.
I could call it "superstition" if you perfer. I still suspect that I would recieve a negative reaction for using that word to describe religious beliefs though.
Which brings me back to my original point. If someone claims that they are living their lives in fear because they accidentally broke a mirror, you would call them superstitious or even delusional. Yet if you hold religious beliefs (which have just as little evidence as the mirror-breaking thing) you aren't crazy or delusional; you're just religious. I seriously don't understand.
The thing is, people have different opinions on what is evidence and not.
If someone said they are living their life in fear because of religion, then they would be considered a crazy religious person :lol:
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Yes. Religion is a delusion, and so is rationality or even delusions. Everything is a delusion :)
And for some reason it's okay to disrespect one delusion but not another. It's somehow absurd to think that the religious man's delusion is less a delusion than Weapon's, here.
I'm not religious. Didn't think I'd have to point that out again but everyone seems to think I am. Weapon's post - both versions - exemplifies what I hate about antitheists. Namely, the belief that their beliefs are untouchable but anyone else's are worthy of mockery.
Yes, it is quite contradictory to say one belief is "wrong" and a delusion, and then say what you believe is "right". On the other hand life can be a big contradiction itself... oh well :P
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Religion is all around frustrating.
First and foremost, the most aggrivating thing about religion is how much "respect" it gets. If a man goes on the street and tried to tell people that the aliens are coming, he's crazy. If you go around and tell people that santa claus really does exist, you'd be evaluated for mental illness. If you wanted to go into a school and tell them to stop teaching kids that our Sun is a star, but instead that it is actually a giant diety -- you'd be laughed at.
Yet, if you want to believe that Earth is no more than thousands of years old, and that it only originated due to supernatural intervention, people have to "respect" that because it is "religion".
It is simply a delusion and should be treated just like every other delusion. Just because billions of people suffer from the same delusion doesn't make it any less insane or irrational.
Yes. Religion is a delusion, and so is rationality or even delusions. Everything is a delusion :)
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Just to clarify. Eastern religions focus on finding who you really are, and as you see the truth of yourself you see the truth in everyone and everything else. Thus, by looking in you're looking out becomes clearer and you are able to help existence in a better way.