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[/hide]yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.
Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :)
The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites.
The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link
"...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity.
Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot.
You are god then? I agree.
No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious.
Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead.
Rude? Infinity is without bound, therefore it must be everywhere. Everything and everyone is god.
So you are saying it is impossible for there to be an infinite amount of finite objects? What makes you say that?
Explain to me how I am saying that. It is impossible to have a finite amount of infinite, and that is what you are apparently trying to get at by saying god is infinite, but you are not.
You are saying any object is infinite. If that is true, why can't humans comprehend infinity? It's because we are finite.
Infinity can take "forms" in a human sense, because well it is infinite, nothing is beyond it. Infinity can simply make and take the form of a human and experience its perceptions while still being infinite in essence. The way our mind works may not allow us to comprehend it because of our perceptions, but our perceptions are simply a looking glass of the infinite. Perceptions are a making of the infinite itself and the infinite is the perception. The infinite views the infinite. Our ideas and thoughts can not even convey this correctly, it can hint at it, but not correctly define it. True infinite is undefinable, but it can be realized, just not directly through thoughts or ideas.
Oh and if god is infinite and we are finite then god is not infinite. Infinity can not have boundaries.
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yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.
Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :)
The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites.
The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link
"...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity.
Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot.
You are god then? I agree.
No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious.
Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead.
Rude? Infinity is without bound, therefore it must be everywhere. Everything and everyone is god.
So you are saying it is impossible for there to be an infinite amount of finite objects? What makes you say that?
Explain to me how I am saying that. It is impossible to have a finite amount of infinite, and that is what you are apparently trying to get at by saying god is infinite, but you are not.
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yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.
Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :)
The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites.
The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link
"...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity.
Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot.
You are god then? I agree.
No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious.
Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead.
Rude? Infinity is without bound, therefore it must be everywhere. Everything and everyone is god.
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yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.
Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :)
The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites.
The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link
"...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity.
Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot.
You are god then? I agree.
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yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.
Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :)
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[/hide]Whether or not there is a God in the equation, reality being part of an intelligent omnipotent beings will or just something that has always existed for some apparent reason is something beyond my ability to comprehend. Still with this in mind, it is easier to beleive that this came about on its own or has always been there then to imagine a God has always been there to create it, if that makes sense.
Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else?
...because something can't come from nothing. It's physically impossible for something to come from nothing. Something must have always existed for it to come from something else, something beyond time, beyond our comprehension. Either that or there is an infinite cycle of causation. Either way infinity has to exist.
And that something must have come from nothing. "Nothing" is also beyond our logical comprehension. "Nothing" is infinity, and that is god ;) Read the other posts I replied to yours.
Nothing is a lack of matter/energy. Infinity is never ending matter/dimensions/energy/cycles of causation a/o a being. They're opposites, if anything. I can imagine and comprehend a vacuum. I cannot comprehend something that never ends.
See, you can't comprehend nothingness... you see it as a vacuum, which is still something. How about infinite nothingness?
A (True, not partial)vacuum is a part of a space which has no matter in it. It isn't "something" it's a word to describe the lack of any matter. I can imagine an atom. The nucleus, and electron cloud. Then I imagine it being removed. No atoms. Nothing.
Infinite nothingness? I cannot comprehend it, because it's infinite, not because of the nothingness.
We are talking about two different nothings here. You are talking about space which has no matter in it, I am trying to emphasize the nothing even beyond our comprehension of "space". Nothing had to be there for space to be there. As soon as you label "nothing" it is already only relatively true. Even "nothing" is a false label for nothing, there is no correct label for it. In essence an atom is as much as nothing as a vacuum.
Infinite Nothingness is surely beyond our comprehension as well, thats why I gave up trying to comprehend it and gave into just experiencing it.
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Whether or not there is a God in the equation, reality being part of an intelligent omnipotent beings will or just something that has always existed for some apparent reason is something beyond my ability to comprehend. Still with this in mind, it is easier to beleive that this came about on its own or has always been there then to imagine a God has always been there to create it, if that makes sense.
Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else?
...because something can't come from nothing. It's physically impossible for something to come from nothing. Something must have always existed for it to come from something else, something beyond time, beyond our comprehension. Either that or there is an infinite cycle of causation. Either way infinity has to exist.
And that something must have come from nothing. "Nothing" is also beyond our logical comprehension. "Nothing" is infinity, and that is god ;) Read the other posts I replied to yours.
Nothing is a lack of matter/energy. Infinity is never ending matter/dimensions/energy/cycles of causation a/o a being. They're opposites, if anything. I can imagine and comprehend a vacuum. I cannot comprehend something that never ends.
See, you can't comprehend nothingness... you see it as a vacuum, which is still something. How about infinite nothingness?
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Whether or not there is a God in the equation, reality being part of an intelligent omnipotent beings will or just something that has always existed for some apparent reason is something beyond my ability to comprehend. Still with this in mind, it is easier to beleive that this came about on its own or has always been there then to imagine a God has always been there to create it, if that makes sense.
Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else?
...because something can't come from nothing. It's physically impossible for something to come from nothing. Something must have always existed for it to come from something else, something beyond time, beyond our comprehension. Either that or there is an infinite cycle of causation. Either way infinity has to exist.
And that something must have come from nothing. "Nothing" is also beyond our logical comprehension. "Nothing" is infinity, and that is god ;) Read the other posts I replied to yours.
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Whether or not there is a God in the equation, reality being part of an intelligent omnipotent beings will or just something that has always existed for some apparent reason is something beyond my ability to comprehend. Still with this in mind, it is easier to beleive that this came about on its own or has always been there then to imagine a God has always been there to create it, if that makes sense.
Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else?
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Philosophical question(s): What's south of the south pole? What's before the beginning? What's after the end? What is timelessness?
Nothing, nothing, nothing, and nothing.
Win post.
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EDIT: ^ Er... That's not exactly what I meant. I meant the concept of infinity in it's entirety (Whether it embodies dimensions, existences, etc.) is what I think God is.
That would make God all knowing, all powerful, etc. As those attributes would have to come along with the concept of infinity.
(P.S.- I'm Christian, and I've been trying to find an acceptable scientific explanation for God. I'm not saying my theory is correct, it's just what I've come up with as of now.)
Wait wait wait, then if we can't be all powerful why does God be? If there's infinity as you said, then there's ALWAYS a being more wise and powerful than our God.
Example:
Bacteria -> Certain animals -> Humans -> Christ God -> His God -> His' his God -> His' his his God -> etc.
No? Stopping at Christ God just makes no sense and plus not including kissing his ass too much.
If there is infinity, then there is no more wise or powerful, you can not have more than infinity. Infinity is everywhere and everything. You are god, and so is everything else.
But why does ONE single entity know everything? We know a tiny fraction, then BAM all-knowing God? Wouldn't there be limits to his own knowledge (since there's an infinite amounts of it) and thus he will have a God of his own, who knows more than him, and that new God has another, etc, forever and ever?
It is incorrect to call god all-knowing, he is as much all-knowing as non-knowing. You contrast one single entity with "we", but that "one" is everything. Its we ,you, I, everything is one. All one. You can not label or describe nothingness can you? It is infinite, as much knowledgeable as un-knowledgeable.
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The concept of infinity is beyond human understanding... These videos are interesting-
,In the videos, they describe the dimensions, up to the tenth. Why stop at ten? Because that's all humans are capable of imagining, let alone comprehending. Just because we can't comprehend something, or even imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't happen.
When you think about it, the universe is a paradox. Why? Because everything has to have started from something. We supposedly came from the big bang, but what started that? Even if we somehow figure out how the universe began, how do we know what caused it in the first place? and before that? and before that? It goes back into and infinite line of causation, thus, infinity must exist. If it didn't, it would be impossible for anything to exist at all... Unless it was caused by something without a cause, stopping the chain of infinite causation. But that would be beyond human comprehension, in other words, infinity. But it's supposedly impossible for infinity to exist. Thus the paradox.
All I know is that there is something beyond human comprehension... What do I believe that something is? God.
The question is, WHEN do we exist?
Now. There is only now.
Infinity is, well infinity. How long has it been since we started "existing" and what point of "infinity" are we at?
(rhetorical question obviously)
Infinity can not begin or end. We are at the "now" point.
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Mirror's article was beautiful. Reminds us that everything comes and goes and we should enjoy what we have at the present moment :)
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The concept of infinity is beyond human understanding... These videos are interesting-
,In the videos, they describe the dimensions, up to the tenth. Why stop at ten? Because that's all humans are capable of imagining, let alone comprehending. Just because we can't comprehend something, or even imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't happen.
When you think about it, the universe is a paradox. Why? Because everything has to have started from something. We supposedly came from the big bang, but what started that? Even if we somehow figure out how the universe began, how do we know what caused it in the first place? and before that? and before that? It goes back into and infinite line of causation, thus, infinity must exist. If it didn't, it would be impossible for anything to exist at all... Unless it was caused by something without a cause, stopping the chain of infinite causation. But that would be beyond human comprehension, in other words, infinity. But it's supposedly impossible for infinity to exist. Thus the paradox.
All I know is that there is something beyond human comprehension... What do I believe that something is? God.
The question is, WHEN do we exist?
Now. There is only now.
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EDIT: ^ Er... That's not exactly what I meant. I meant the concept of infinity in it's entirety (Whether it embodies dimensions, existences, etc.) is what I think God is.
That would make God all knowing, all powerful, etc. As those attributes would have to come along with the concept of infinity.
(P.S.- I'm Christian, and I've been trying to find an acceptable scientific explanation for God. I'm not saying my theory is correct, it's just what I've come up with as of now.)
Wait wait wait, then if we can't be all powerful why does God be? If there's infinity as you said, then there's ALWAYS a being more wise and powerful than our God.
Example:
Bacteria -> Certain animals -> Humans -> Christ God -> His God -> His' his God -> His' his his God -> etc.
No? Stopping at Christ God just makes no sense and plus not including kissing his ass too much.
If there is infinity, then there is no more wise or powerful, you can not have more than infinity. Infinity is everywhere and everything. You are god, and so is everything else.
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The concept of infinity is beyond human understanding... These videos are interesting-
,In the videos, they describe the dimensions, up to the tenth. Why stop at ten? Because that's all humans are capable of imagining, let alone comprehending. Just because we can't comprehend something, or even imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't happen.
When you think about it, the universe is a paradox. Why? Because everything has to have started from something. We supposedly came from the big bang, but what started that? Even if we somehow figure out how the universe began, how do we know what caused it in the first place? and before that? and before that? It goes back into and infinite line of causation, thus, infinity must exist. If it didn't, it would be impossible for anything to exist at all... Unless it was caused by something without a cause, stopping the chain of infinite causation. But that would be beyond human comprehension, in other words, infinity. But it's supposedly impossible for infinity to exist. Thus the paradox.
All I know is that there is something beyond human comprehension... What do I believe that something is? God.
God is infinity. Then god is everywhere and everything. God can not be correctly labeled with words, for how can we label infinity correctly if it is beyond our comprehension? God is that nothing, that oneness. God can not be a higher being, because he is the being. He is not higher nor lower because infinity has no boundaries. You do not need scientifical proof, because what science does is explain and label, and this can not be explained nor labeled. One can not test infinity. Like I said, for something to exist nothing had to be there first. That nothing to you is god, I just like to call it nothing, other people like to call it energy, but all the labels are equally wrong, infinity can not have a true label.
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I realized: For anything to be there, nothing had to be there first....
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gg runescape you tried.
people like be that don't rwt will be left behind in the dust as people buy herb and prayer etc
gg runescape RIP 2010
Not only does this post not make any sense, but it's totally wrong no body was saying this in 2007 when the game had these elements?
to sum up the idea rs will die becouse of this:
"no".
anyway
WTF?!
ok its only 300k votes so far, but still... 90%?
woo000t? :mellow:
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I wish there was a "Vote for wildy back, but not free trade" option, and vise versa.
I want the old style pking back, but I don't want free trade back.
Why not?
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PS: I'm still going to get back on doing pixel signatures if free trade actually happens. So if epic pixel signature is something you've always wanted, and are willing to pay - well to say atleast a fair price - for one, send me a private message
Technically that's real world trading and will still be against the rules. Not sure quite how jagex would tell but against the rules none the less.
Oh noes! :ohnoes:
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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.
You'll get used to it ;)
Doubtful, I preferred the Revs over pkers/wannabe pkers any day.
I'm the opposite, I was never that bothered by pkers. Some people make it seem that the wildy was always full of pkers in every server. I don't remember walking around the wildy and being attacked all the time like I am by revs. Even if you know you are going to get attacked by pkers you can prepare yourself to fight them knowing you might actually get a nice drop from killing them.
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While they may not be rigging the vote, they definitely are biasing it. On the voting announcement they say
"The number of players who registered their name on the petition and the feedback in the forums and on fan sites has shown how passionate you are about this matter"and tout how 1.2 million people is such an incredible manner. This very clearly is showing it in a light that means that many people are in agreement with the vote. What they don't mention is that anyone could sign the petition without the account owners permission. Also' date=' they don't mention that 1.2 million people is only about 1/9th of their player base. Secondly, they reassure people that the Grand Exchange will remain, but they don't explain what ways it will affect the way that the Grand Exchange will be affected. They say that they will remove upper and lower limits, but will they keep a median price for us? Also, they don't talk about the junk item market and how the economy of the game will be instantaneously rocked. Instead of telling us how these things would be implemented, they just tell us that it will be okay.
While I do feel that the vote would have turned out this way anyways, I thought that I'd share my two cents worth though.
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I'm happy that they didn't tell us every exact thing that will happen. Speculation is fun :D
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Well guess I can say good-bye to running in the Wildy trying to do my clues. I don't mind the free trade, but the wildy I hate with a passion. I was extremely glad when it was gone the first time, and I'm not happy that it's going to return. If they made it so it was pk wildy in the themed worlds, I'd be happy, but since they stated it's in all worlds, I'm not happy with this at all.
You'll get used to it ;)
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How many people are going to quit when they ruin the GE? I guess quite a lot.
It will still be there, and more flexible than ever.
but what will be the use of it when there is free trade? What I like about the GE is the fast/easy buying and selling. Dont want to spam for ages again in fally park to get those few potions i need for a slayer task.
Umm... exactly what you want the use to be. Which is fast buying and selling. You seem to think that with the release of free trade you won't be able to trade on the ge like you can now. It will be the same thing, just with no limits. You will actually be able to get your stuff even faster than you can now. If you really want to buy those pots you can offer as much money as you want for them, and end up getting your items faster.
I'm not very sure about that. Let's say you want to buy 2k coal, or 100 dragonstones. With the ge it's less then 10 seconds. Before you have found a person with 100 dragonstones, who is willing to sell them for a price you find reasonable... that'll take ages.
How so? There will be people from every server involved in the ge, like now. There will be certain street prices for each item, made by the players. Usually this will be the prices things will get sold/bought at. If you try to sell something at a cheap price, it will get bought faster and visa-versa. Again I repeat, GE will stay the same, just with the removal of limits.
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What about it? All phenomena appear to exist because we are there to be aware of them. We ( our minds that is) are there to be aware of them because nothing/infinity/god is aware of our awareness... which is the nothing/infinity/god itself. Singularities are just another a form of this nothingness that was already there, always, for infinity.