Zierro

Since when does Facts = Numbers? "The sky is blue" is a fact but it has nothing to do with numbers. I said they were the same thing and you were the one who argued they weren't. :lol: This quote is detracting from the main debate too, is it not? You're skipping the part I'm talking about. I'm talking about the first part of this: "Don't try and use the 'I can't prove you wrong, but since other people agree with me you must be wrong!' argument." Never did I say that. As for the second part, you're rewording things up a bit. What I did say was that you broke a rule, denied it, and your post got deleted, proving that you did break it. Like someone said earlier - you don't look at the main point people are getting at. You take a little detail and nitpick at it then declare yourself winner of that debate.

Facts can be distorted in order to support a premise. It happens all the time in debates, and credibility is important. No... you don't agree that kids can be mature, or else you would've said so long long ago. Ah, but you see, I don't care that you don't care what I think about you. Nope, never said that either.

By "pay little attention to" I meant they don't perceive them as a source worth listening to anymore. I guess I should have said something like, "pay littler attention to their arguments." Like stated, Omali and I cleared everything up as much as physically possible. I don't think it can get any simpler than our discussion. You said you didn't care who is right. Only once. I see no need to repeat it. You haven't addressed the point though. I never made that argument, and you said I did.

If that were the case then I'd agree. If your life truly is hopeless, such as not having food, water, family, shelter, good health, etc. then that means life really is a struggle and I think suicide is justifiable. But when we're talking about people with chronic depression - people who are sad even when good things happen - then all that is needed is a turnaround in their mentality. In other words, if life is a big struggle, suicide I think suicide is okay because it's just a means of speeding up the process. But if happiness is the struggle, then there is no need for suicide - there is a need for optimism.

You mean what people interpret as the "definite right or wrong". Everyone makes mistakes, but some people make a lot more and these are the people who people generally start paying littler and littler attention to. No, I didn't touch the scroll bar. And what do you mean "Being VS Mature"? It's obvious that you don't care who is right because you never listen to them, and it's obvious that you love debating because you try to juice them out as much as you possibly can. Sureee, but that's mighty convenient how your positive reputation is hidden from our view in your PM box but your negative reputation has been posted around on visible threads. Also, I never said 'I can't prove you wrong, but since other people agree with me you must be wrong!'. I've never seen so many strawmans from a single poster in my entire TIF career. You're lucky your credibility can't possibly go any lower or else that would be bad news for you.

How would you manage to categorize the people who you think have hope and the people you think have no hope though?

When someone ignores points, makes things up, and just straight out does not follow the rules of logic, questioning their credibility is the final resort. Surely someone as smart as yourself could figure that out? Looks like you accidentally linked me one of your generic and meaningless posts: "I proved you wrong. You didn't prove me wrong. I proved you wrong. You didn't prove me wrong." and so on. Nowhere on that post did you prove me wrong - you just claimed that you did. Why do you respond to it then? If you don't care surely you'd ignore it instead of announcing that you don't care. Sometimes you have no choice. For example: The sky is green. No, look above you. *Looks up and it is blue* Nobody would keep arguing after that, however when there are blurry lines and it's impossible to prove something 100% then of course you aren't going to admit when you're wrong. You've done it several times lately in several different threads and many people agree with me. So any other rant about a skill cannot be based on facts?

We = Omali and I Do you honestly think I care that you don't care what I think about you? The reason I post stuff like this is to reveal your egotistical character to the forums and looks like it's working. More and more people are starting to catch onto your ways. And stop telling me that the dictionary is on your side. You're the one who insists that kids can't be psychologically mature when it specifically states they can on Wikipedia. I would believe you if you had credibility, but you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore until you start shaping up. Until then I'm just gonna assume you don't want me to ask an admin because you're afraid you might be wrong... and you are. Says you. :lol: It doesn't mean you can never admit a fault - he said "thinks they are right 100% of the time". His point is that any player can make a "X Skill Sucks" thread by bringing up the negative aspects, blowing them out of proportion, and ignoring all the pros.

Probably eating candy bars that were years over their expiration dates. I am finally starting to recover. :lol:

Haha good point. It's a common attitude too. The term "no-lifer" is ironically used almost exclusively on the internet. :lol:

I agree that god is similar to morals because they are pretty subjective and impossible to justify. But I don't think that if we had the same morals then the world would suck. We would all agree with the same rules and we'd all follow them. It would be a peaceful world.

That's "acting" you're talking about. We were agreeing about the "being" part though. I wasn't proven wrong. You only said that I was, and like I pointed out to you, your credibility isn't too good at the moment. A few months ago I saw posters praise you for your debating skills, and I actually agreed with them. But as of lately, you've been embellishing your bad arguments with logic to make them look sound when they really aren't, and I can see that many people are starting to see this too. I don't understand why someone who want to go from a respectable poster to someone that nobody's going to listen to anymore. We don't agree upon it. I'm saying, hypothetically, if you are right then why wouldn't you want me to ask an admin, as you would have nothing to lose unless you were wrong.

This is what happens when logic is overused.

Umm, no you mean "be". Read our posts. Of course you would say this, but in reality it doesn't change a single thing. If you say you're right then you have nothing to lose, yet you still declined. Hmm kinda fishy.

Actually everything was already cleared up by Omali and I. It doesn't. I was just pointing out that you are not good at debating, so you should probably work on that before you attempt humor again. You want me to ask an Admin if that deleted post was out of line, because I can gladly do it.

Then you agree that suicide is not the best outcome.

Must I make a list of all the definitions of words you ignored? Okay! :mrgreen: Maturity, Psychology, Physical, Be, Act, Determined, Flame, Spam, Can, Can't... It goes on and on, but when words like "be" and "can" are on there, it paints a very vivid picture of your debate (haha) style. If you're not good at debating, what on earth makes you think you're good at joking :?: You didn't prove me wrong. A mod deleted your post, therefore it was against the rules.

You realize you're insulting yourself, right? You're the one who always ignores things that the dictionary and Wikipedia says such as, "not determined by age". Remember? Thanks for proving my point. You're making this easier than it should be. This argument has never been used. This is what I mean about concocting your own reality.

That problem has to do with how doctors aren't perfect. Not every operation has been successful, but that doesn't render the problem as "unfixable", it just means it hasn't been fixed. So you would lie to them?

People are more inclined to believe three credible sources than one which concocts their own reality at a whim to make it appear like they're never wrong. It doesn't. It has to do with how you will never ever change your mind even when contradicting evidence is right in front of your nose, which is the reason why this thread is so long and why it is the same thing over and over again.

What makes unnecessary rape okay, but unnecessary pain wrong? Like I said before, that's quite an irregular place to draw the line at. Just because consent isn't required in some fields doesn't mean it is irrelevant. By this logic, since we don't need consent from someone to speak to them then we don't need consent to have sex with them.

It wasn't just a mod. It was me, another poster, and a mod who knew that it was against rules. You were the only one who disagreed. It's commonsense to know that posting something like, "If you want to see some fireworks, look at my debate with Zierro. He lost the argument really bad," completely out of the blue is against the rules. Only someone like you, someone who fabricates their own reality just to make themselves look like they know what they're talking about, would disagree with that.

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Eating meat simplifies the necessary process of eating for survival as opposed to the complications caused by going out of your way and being a vegetarian. Sex has absolutely nothing to do with survival though. Let me ask a question. Do you think it's okay to torture animals against their will?

Like I said, if we're talking about chronic depression then that is something which has clinical treatments to help alleviate their depression. Untreated depression is the number one cause for suicide. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:yjremePJ16oJ:www.suicide.org/suicide-causes.html+most+common+cause+of+suicide&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a My personal story isn't my argument - it's support for my argument. And it did not only happen to one single individual. There have been millions and millions of people who have done the same thing as me. I'm curious about what's making you think that the transition from pessimism to optimism is impossible. I've provided reasons why it is possible, and you've done nothing but decline my reasonings without providing any of your own. I have an idea that it might be because of people like you put it into their heads that they can't get better, so they don't even try then. Why in your right mind do you want to make depressed people feel even more hopeless? Seriously. Well that speaks for itself, because extrapolations can be wrong. You're really not doing anything but repeating what I've responded to. That's where your own choices come in. Like I said: "Sure, you can blame it on the chemicals in your brain but they cannot control whether you see the glass half full or half empty - they only compel you to see it as half empty, which denotes that there is still hope." Yummy strawman. I didn't say that. What I did say is, unless your life has been stripped of the bare necessities, then you should have good things in your life that you can focus on.