^ Which to me strikes me as a bit of complacency - thinking they won't have to represent their country for a few years because they know they'll win the RWC. They should, but they have to be careful. On the topic of Phil Vickery, frankly, I think it was disgusting. The trip was cynical and he should be banned. I don't think he has what it takes anymore, to be honest. He has had a poorer start to England captain than Martin Corry, but Corry was lamented for it. Matt Stevens is a far more mobile tight head, a better footballer and I think the most accomplished technician in the front row (he should be, he's South African). I don't know why Vickery persists. Rugby knowledge - I has it :P