The_Gabe

Barack Obama can be cut out of the picture, he has not done anything so far during his presidency and he is not a good leader. There may come good in easing on the blockade, but I don't support it currently. Buahaha. Ok, I haven't supported Obama since March in the primaries (although I did vote for him in the general, I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the primary), but only a blinded partisan could claim that he hasn't done anything during his presidency. He's already done so much that history will easily place him in the top 10 presidencies of all time. Not to get sidetracked, but what a ridiculous statement to make. And what's with this "as expected" nonsense? The US is alone here on this issue, like always. Easing the blockade means nothing, and pressure from the US means nothing without anything substantive to apply the pressure. The US has added pressure on settlements since they have started (well before George Bush the first) and nothing's been done. Get real. I know I am going off topic, but please tell me what Obama has done.

Barack Obama can be cut out of the picture, he has not done anything so far during his presidency and he is not a good leader. There may come good in easing on the blockade, but I don't support it currently.

I'm not very good with the multiple quote system, so I'm just going to go the old fashion way 1)Lets face the facts here, the ship was sent warnings and was needed to be searched, it ignored them. Soldiers went in with paintball guns to use as weapons as crowd control. They were immediately attacked. 9 people did end up dieing, but it is better than the fact the weapons could have been on the ship and many more than 9 people could have died. 2)Look, the ship did not respond to the warnings. The Israeli government offered plenty of times to dock the ship in Ash-dud and delever the supplies to the Gaza strip. Those offers were rejected. What makes you think, after ignoring the messeges, that the ship WOULD dock at Ash-dud? 3) I'm not as dumb as you think I am, I am very well aware that a lot of people lack logic, however, most terrorists are extremists, and extremists of this nature seem to lack logic and reasoning, even more so than others. 4)Lowering ourselves to the enemy's levels? Are you kidding me? The soldiers were ATTACKED! Do you know the simple fact that Israel has never once declared war against others, but others have been attacking it since the country's independence? Immoral levels of the enemy is to acknowledge that they are not human beings, and they do not deserve to exist. That's not the case. 5)Lets get real here. Do you 100% know it was Israel's fault? From the looks of things, that's still debated. You are not the one who determines if it is or is not Israel's fault. The prime minister gave a speech why it was the right thing to do, even if it was handled badly, and I agree with him. Not because he's the prime minister of Israel, but because it made since. The situation was handled in a poor way, but again, there is very little else that could have been done.

Who the hell cares.. This is a serious issue. It could change our whole prospective on the life of our characters! Perhaps you all do not see the magnitude of such an obscure issue. If Runescape characters are ambidextrous, then who is to say that one cannot wield a dagger in each hand, providing double the attack strength? Um Jagex?

Yes, but it doesn't matter. Because she actually believes the spoon-fed tripe from her government that Israel's security is so important that international law doesn't matter. Even to the point of killing people when it wasn't necessary -- the mere "possibility" that there "might" have been "something" bad on the ships justifies 9 people dying and dozens being wounded, to these right-wing types. I could point out that if Israel can justify breaking international law because of "security concerns", so could her enemies, like Iran. In fact, I have. I could point out that they didn't need to search the ship, they could have waited for it to dock and then inspected the cargo. In fact, I have. And so on. It doesn't matter, because regardless of what you say to romy, she will just repeat the same IDF/Likud talking points. No amount of logical arguments, legal analysis, or contradictory evidence will have any effect, because she's simply not listening. It's just the same false claims and propaganda repeated page after page. Might as well try talking to an IDF tank. You cannot reason with unreasonable people, and I for one and done trying, at least until she stops parroting nonsense and makes some actual points. She wants to believe what she needs to believe, so let her keep repeating whoppers like claiming that they attacked these ships out of "self-defence". It's not like anyone with a clue is going to buy it. I completely agree with Rony's point. Those 9 lives were in fact, justified. It was a misfortune the incident happened, but it was not Israel's fault. In fact, you're a pretty big hypocrite, because whatever Rony says to you, you repeat the same answers and arguments. Guess what? Many terrorists don't have logic. Logic cannot solve everything. Security is more important for Israel than you could imagine. Also about your government comment, guess what? We're all human. We make mistakes, and we dissagree. That does not make people naive. It makes you single, and simple minded.

Who the hell cares..

From the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. Ok. If someone has a legal background correct me, but nowhere does that say, you may not board the ship of another country in international waters. From what I got it says If you're not fighting the people the ship belongs too you can't deny them, passage. @kinggabe Who did or did not launch missiles is not relevant to the background. Because #1 it wasn't technically in Israel and #2 Unless they accused Turkey of launching said missiles its not even the same people. It might be a bit off topic, however, the discussion was on how Israel was starving people in the gaza strip, peaceful Arabs, etc. Just proving how he's wrong. You didn't prove me wrong, all you're doing is disagreeing. This is the last I'm saying on this topic as 312Ownage is right and I did stray off-topic. You're actually right, I was disagreeing, my bad.

From the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. Ok. If someone has a legal background correct me, but nowhere does that say, you may not board the ship of another country in international waters. From what I got it says If you're not fighting the people the ship belongs too you can't deny them, passage. @kinggabe Who did or did not launch missiles is not relevant to the background. Because #1 it wasn't technically in Israel and #2 Unless they accused Turkey of launching said missiles its not even the same people. It might be a bit off topic, however, the discussion was on how Israel was starving people in the gaza strip, peaceful Arabs, etc. Just proving how he's wrong.

Actually, it's relevant to the background of the topic.

See except most Arabs, believe it or not, are peaceful and decide to starve and die instead, or like my friends flee the country while the Isareli Military forcefully acquired their village. There we go over simplifying things again. You're right, no rockets were ever launched at Israeli citizens. No innocent lives were taken on Israel's side. Israel did not discharge a rocket launcher just yesterday. I said most Arabs. Why, are you a bigot and think 51% of Arabs are terrorists? You seem to be the bigot. Rony in no where said 51% of Arabs are terrorists, and the argument isn't aimed at that. Yet, many Arabs are not peaceful. Israel had no choice, again, to invade. It was either that or just sit there and let them shoot at us. Well she did say saying most Arabs was over simplifying. Please inform how I'm being a bigot by saying Arabs are peaceful? That's horrible right? And the Arabs that do attack they shoot missiles from the backs of camels[/comedy], quite threatening seeing as how they never hit their target. You can report that Joe fires a gun 200 times a day in New Jersey, making for a total of 40000 shots a year. What I didn't tell you is Joe has never shot someone because he fires his gun on a firing range for rifle practice. I'm not saying Hamas is having fun practicing rocket practice and Israel is being the man, but the fundamental parallel is there. That's complete bull [cabbage]. I'm talking about the Arabs shooting rockets OVER the border at Israeli citizens. 2 years ago I was in Israel and my sister was going to take me to a city to see a museum, and we couldn't go because the city was being shot at with rockets frequently that month. Your analogy is complete bull [cabbage].

See except most Arabs, believe it or not, are peaceful and decide to starve and die instead, or like my friends flee the country while the Isareli Military forcefully acquired their village. There we go over simplifying things again. You're right, no rockets were ever launched at Israeli citizens. No innocent lives were taken on Israel's side. Israel did not discharge a rocket launcher just yesterday. I said most Arabs. Why, are you a bigot and think 51% of Arabs are terrorists? You seem to be the bigot. Rony in no where said 51% of Arabs are terrorists, and the argument isn't aimed at that. Yet, many Arabs are not peaceful. Israel had no choice, again, to invade. It was either that or just sit there and let them shoot at us.

Explain? I could best explain by giving you instructions. Go find three to four men to hit you with iron rods and clubs or chairs, etc. Now have your friends get the same treatment, and make sure most of you have a gun. Now act. That's what I was thinking also. If you were in the military, you HAVE to act ASAP. You don't know if they've got guns, rockets, or anything else. You want to survive. You shoot them before they shoot you.

Again, did you even watch the videos released? And if the terrorists orginazations don't believe Israel should exist, doesn't that tell you they want us (Jews) dead aswell? It's not like they've been attacking us for lets say... Since we became a country? Facts: the soldiers were confronted and attacked. One soldier was SHOT in the stomach, another in the knee. There might have been more casualties then expected, but again, most likely it cannot have been avoided.

No, these people were killed after lynching the soldiers. First of all: It's not just Israel blockade, it's an international blockade so get your facts straight.. Second of all: The people are NOT starving. If its international who else is in on it. And romy is from israel... so i think she of all people would know if they are starving and/or if it was international I'm from Israel too smarty. Also Qeltar, you're forgetting an important fact. This was the largest of 6 ships delivering supplies. The 5 other ships responded and the searches were conducted as supposed to. The 6th ship, the largest of them, did not. And when they came to search it, they were attacked. Then thats a nice Clarksville TN location.... Cause that's where I am located at the moment.. I've lived in Israel for a long time, I know what's going on, etc. My family is there, I am going there in 3 days. You can't tell me I'm not from Israel.

No, these people were killed after lynching the soldiers. First of all: It's not just Israel blockade, it's an international blockade so get your facts straight.. Second of all: The people are NOT starving. If its international who else is in on it. And romy is from israel... so i think she of all people would know if they are starving and/or if it was international I'm from Israel too smarty. Also Qeltar, you're forgetting an important fact. This was the largest of 6 ships delivering supplies. The 5 other ships responded and the searches were conducted as supposed to. The 6th ship, the largest of them, did not. And when they came to search it, they were attacked.

No, these people were killed after lynching the soldiers. First of all: It's not just Israel blockade, it's an international blockade so get your facts straight.. Second of all: The people are NOT starving.

Agreed. i recall arguing with romy once before and she claimed they don't get much from us. If that is so then they should do fine without us. I remember that covnversation. I didn't say Israel didn't get much from the US, I said the US never physically helped through wars. The USA's support for Israel IS important. I don't remember the exact wording. I kinda understand your guy's situation, you have to suspect everybody, and obviously hindsight is 20/20 but it seems like you go about everything the worst possible way. Normally when you take over land that doesn't belong to you and you piss off a very brotherly culture with a hotheaded tendency you're going to meet trouble when you plant your officials amongst their activists. There isn't really a good way to handle this situation. Quite frankly if I commanding the IDF I would have blown all the ships out of the water because of the "need to defend" [or rather the need to suppress starving conquered people, which ever you like better]. Yeah, and you take over the land because they are ATTACKING YOUR CIVILIANS BECAUSE THEY DON"T BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO EXIST. In my opinion, there wasn't any other way to handle the situation.

Agreed. i recall arguing with romy once before and she claimed they don't get much from us. If that is so then they should do fine without us. I remember that covnversation. I didn't say Israel didn't get much from the US, I said the US never physically helped through wars. The USA's support for Israel IS important. I don't remember the exact wording. I kinda understand your guy's situation, you have to suspect everybody, and obviously hindsight is 20/20 but it seems like you go about everything the worst possible way. According to the U.S media, the United States controls the good and bad of the world, and because of Obama's crappy leadership, it was showing weak leadership. I was going in my head what the [bleep]. U.S's support for Israel is important, but they don't do anything for Israel war relating. As the prime minister said today in this speech "The world is giving us a double standard. They are telling us we have the rights to defend ourselves, and when we do, we get criticized for it. We are guilty until proven guilty." No matter how you see it, this had to be done. Also Qeltar, did you even see the video for god's sake?

I've thought it about, but I'd say that's not the case when I've tracked a 7 hour 48 minutes update (shortest) to 36 hour 3 minutes (longest). That's just far too large a difference. I still think it's random but I'll wait until I collect a month or two worth of data before I conclude that. Depends on what you track. There are items that take up to 5 minutes to show a price change (partyhat for example may take that long), where as other very frequently traded smaller items may be updated almost instantly. My guess is that Jagex has items grouped by type, and each type gets updated, and then the GE index page gets updated. But, my tracker is quick enough to snipe items on the level of h'weens, but not quick enough for partyhats and divines. No matter how quick an online tracker is, you won't beat the campers at the GE. In the time it takes you to just teleport over the GE... you're too late. I put in an offer for yellow 1 hour after update and got it.

This is how I see it: They tried to enter Israeli waters They did not respond to warning messages. IMO, Israel handled it well enough, shots were fired from inside the ship, and weapons were found. 9 lives lost for possibly quite a lot more is fortunate.

Quit, get socially active, and start playing again, if you're like me, you won't get addicted again and can quit whenever you feel like it. Btw you better get started on the science project.. I have a great social life, great grades, great everything. Except for my lack of sleep. If you're addicted to rs you don't have a great social life.

Quit, get socially active, and start playing again, if you're like me, you won't get addicted again and can quit whenever you feel like it. Btw you better get started on the science project..

Well, I'm heading off to Israel in 5 days. And I support Israel in 99% of acts they do. I don't care if it's right or wrong, but that's what I believe. Btw Rony, you've earned major respect from me. That's actually, very rare.

Going Tormented Wraiths? I really hate them :cry: That's pretty bad observation there mate.. He just looks like a lvl 10 def pure going to train or pk..