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Here I will give some more details: 15-Jan-2008 batch 1, 31-Mar-2008 batch 2 If Jagex really spread summoning to two batches just based on pure technical problems, why would Jagex released the batch 2 almost three months after batch 1 is released?? If you dont get me yet. Think of hows people downloading a movie. Sometimes, when a movie is going too big, its reasonable to spread it into two. But it seems too strange that for a guys to download part 1 of the movie and then download the other part three months after. If Jagex already have all their summoning stuff done. Why would it release batch 2 a week after batch 1 but took like almost 3 months?? One of the possible answer is that, Summoning is an unfinished product when releasing batch 1 but was completed 3 months later when releasing batch 2. Please remember, news/diaries could also be a chance of being cover up. (Just like how Jagex using the news/diaries of not telling and hide the removal of wilderness) For sure, they have told that summoning would be released in January 2008. But please think of what this quote actually prove?? Wouldnt it be Jagex already known that many pkers would feel disappointed of removing the wilderness pking and so planning to release summoning on the next month to distract them?? Summoning isnt a bad skill. In fact, it rocks. No one's here trying to pick on Summoning but what the thread saing is just, Jagex likes hiding mistakes (you can also say mistakes are some updates that not fair to certain people) with more updates (of caz they can be good update like summoning) No thieves will tell they are thieves. Of course, we can just blindly believe all the quotes from Jagex without any critical thinking. Then perchaps, the atmosphere of all the rs communities will be friendly and nice that no more arguments occur. I guess it boils down to if you believe in what Jagex says or not. I've answered your question. Now I'd like you to answer mine.

Whether summoning was a cover up or not is very subject to every players as Jagex really doing some suspicious things in a suspicious timing. However, you cant deny that Jagex have been intended to hide the fact that they were going to remove the wilderness pking system. If you tell me Jagex been working on the wilderness update since 2004, well, from 2004 to 2007, they would have 3 years to let us know they are going to remove the wilderness pking system. However, They kept it as their own secret and never let us know til Dec 10th. I am just dumber than normal peolpe and I already forgot if they really told us they were going to remove wilderness in the past three years. All I know was, in the last few months before dec 10th 2007, Jagex did mention they going to have a big updates at the end of 2007. However, all they mention was adding deul arena to F2p, more bank spaces, a new skill (summoning), getting rip of RWT, a new mini game (BH), adding new monster (rev ghosts)..... They try to make their news and development good looking enough to favour every single player. What about the removal of widlerness pking?? They did not even mention any. While everyone was happy and exciting for all the new updates mentioned in the news/diaries, I doubted if anyone would know that the removal of wilderness was also one of the updates on Dec 10th? Back to summoning. As you say Jagex been working on summoning since long years ago, then summoning was supposed to be a big feature of Jagex. Jagex should be planning everything of summoning in details and release the whole thing in one which just like all other skills releasing in once. Do you mind telling me whats the reason for Jagex being so rushy to release their unfinished master work just right after the removing of wilderness?? Its also okay if you tell me everything was just an random occasion and random occasion never needs evidence to prove. And also as what I say on the top: Whether it is a cover up or not is just too subjective to judge.

Thank you for telling me about your true feelings and I think I do feel how you feel. I use my 'old pk clan' name as my forum user name but I never mean I am superior to the average runescaper nor imposing personal attack on anyone. Somehow in the past six months of 'Wilderness Striking', One big reason of its failure is, The pkers ruinning themselves. Back to the topic, If jagex not really hiding mistakes (maybe shouldnt say mistakes, but just some huge updates which obviously not gona favour some people) with more updates, then they seem intend to do soemthing to increase their suspicion of doing so: 1. Before the Dec 10th updates really comes, theres been some many news/development diaries from Jagex mentioned of they working on this, or they working on that. They always claim that they want their players to know more about what they been doing. However, for the removal of wilderness pking, its totally not the case. No one really knows the wilderness pking is removed until the update really comes. Jagex never tell us beforehand in any of their news nor development diaries. 2. Summoning, well, a new skill in runescape as well as a great skill. However, the timing of summoning released was just too suspicious. Why was it have to be released just right after the removal of wilderness pking?? Why was it just released half and few month later release the rest?? Form all skills in runescape, theres never a skill like summoning: Just to released the 1st half part, and later realeased the rest. And of caz, the timing is really suspicious. 3. For the graphic updates, I dont feel like anything wrong. Its in fact a good thing for Jagex to update their graphics to attract more people to play. Personal saying, I really dont think Jagex is sincere enough to improve the situation of BH or any PvP games. Else, Jagex wont tell us FOG is one of their best PvP feature. -.- Its alright if you says Jagex never hiding mistakes with more updates. However, you cant deny their way/timing of releasing is too suspicious. So please dont overblame the creator who created this thread.

Comon... Its a video game. Doing a memorial day in rs is just a event in game. Whos give you such strange idea of having the memorial day on real life history books? Read the bold line a couple of times...then look at what your proposing... Do you see how extreme it sounds, aru? Errrr?? I am just a bit stupid than normal people. Assume our tipit forum users are mature enough to know runescape is a video game, they read the bold line a couple of times and then look at the proposing .... I guess they will just see the wilderness memorial day is nothing more than just an event IN A VIDEO GAME. Do you mind telling me whats going extreme in your head??

Um... Triple posting really isnt a good thing.... I am a wilderness supporters and of course I believe Jagex do hiding mistakes and intended to get riped of wilderness pkers. After long months of thinking, I feel like the removing of wilderness is in purpose, not for solving the real world trade problem, but to expell the wilderness pkers in their game. Think of this: Lets imagine a newbie just come to the world of rs and he/she meets the below types of players..... Questers: 'Hey, I will tell you how to do the quests. :D ' Skillers: 'Lets share about how we train our skills. :) ' Monster Hunters: 'Team up for a KBD Trip. :P ' Wilderness Pkers: 'I own you noob!! DIE!! :o :shock: :? ' *Rioters: 'FAT Jagex. No wilderness No rs ' :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes: * 'Normal' people would just think Rioter is inside the group of wilderness pkers but in fact, a true wilderness pkers will never see rioters at their side :shame: . So heres the prove, wilderness pkers are just unpopular in game and to all other groups. They used to kill people in wilderness, and of caz, their speeches are usually rude. (or this will be lame for a pker to say some polite language in a battle/killing zones) Most pkers are just too rude and make people dislike them. And for Jagex, they are always aimed at making their game unique/mainstream/social friendly and whatever..... So how could they stand for having MANY rude players doing rude stuff in their game?? Finally, Jagex is smart enough to come up with an idea: ' 1 arrow shot, 2 birds die' With their Dec 10th updated, RWT and Wilderness pkers are all done. Since then, runescape become a unique/socially positive/educational..... game and going to have their flourish future. RWT is just an excuse for Jagex to remove wilderness pking. I, as a wilderness pkers, been understand how we are hated (To be honest, I never yelled, being rude nor doing anything disbehaving when pking, but theres just too many rude pkers) by Jagex and the Majority of runescape. We are just too unpopular and eventually, losing our rights in runescape. I'm going to say this again for you, you don't have to reply the freaking post! So shame that you are not here to discuss the content of this topic but only flaming someone. Its expected all the universal people will come and blame we wilderness pkers harshly. However, plz dont forget this: Wilderness pkers are still deserved the rights to ranting in the tipit ranting forum. Even wilderness pkers dont like the way of Jagex doing, they still deserve to log into runescape anytime.

viewtopic.php?p=5497221#5497221 This is one of my solution posted like hell long ago. To be honest, there are so many wilderness supporters really giving out suggestions to create a win-win consquence. However, so many people who dont do pk will just trying to point out mistakes from those solutions. Here is one more of the way I can suggest instantly. Nowadays, people always claim that the credit stolen is so serious. Therefore, Jagex can work on their Ads to let people be aware of the credit card theives and improves the credit card security. To minimize the loss of the card users, Jagex could just limit the P2p accounts per cards (eg. 1 per card). In fact, its the card owners' responsibility of leaking their card information to theives. I dont mean my solution is perfect and theres really some many more player's suggestions that are better than mine. Its perfectly fine for you to give me some suggestions and I will also explain to you in details and improve my solutions. ;) We can work togather and perchaps creating a solution better than Jagex. But... It goes back to the point that no one knows how to let jagex listen.... Thats why no one wants to write out their new suggestion. Say like you can help create one to Jagex and see if they listen to you.

Even Pkers dont sacrifice ourselves, they are scarificed by Jagex for the future of Runescape. This is the real fact you cant denied. Pkers are scarificed by Jagex to save the whole runescape. Remember. Rioters are not real wilderness supporters. They are just ruining the true wildy supporters. Comon... Its a video game. Doing a memorial day in rs is just a event in game. Whos give you such strange idea of having the memorial day on real life history books?

Wow I see so many personal attacks on your post but its not your fault. To be honest, many wilderness supporters quited since wilderness were gone. Its normal that you keep being attacked as users now in fansite forum dont like the wilderness. They will just keep blaming all the wildiness supporters' posting based on few statement: 1. There are few rioters always yewing, spamming: '0 pking 0 rs', 'F Jagex'.... -> To be honest, those rioters are not true wilderness lovers and sometimes they are just haters of wilderness and want to destory all true wildiness lovers. --> Seeing the rioters in the wilderness supporter camp, they will always use rioters as a mean to 'evilize' all the wildiness supporters. 2. RWT and Credit card stolen and Wilderness -> They just associated all of them togather : RWT = Credit card stolen = Wilderness. Wilderness created all the evilness in Rs; Unbalancing trade created all the evilness in Rs. They will never spread Wilderness and RWT into two. Its just their way of thinking. 3. 'You noob never gives any suggestions!!!' -> So many wilderness supporters already given their suggestions in everywhere. They suggest how to kill RWT and keep wildiness in the same time. But most users will never see or aware of it. They asking us for suggestion not because they really want some suggestion. They are just using it as a mean to blame the wilderness supporters. Yes, you are right. I am also a wilderness supporter. : I appreciate your work of insisting standing in this forum. Good Luck

Yes, you really get my point. Thank you. In fact, among all groups in rs (questers, skillers, merchants...), wilderness pkers were the group that totally sacrificed themselves for the sake of future runescape and for the sake of other groups in rs. Its wilderness pkers who sacrificed themselves to kill RWT and protected rs. Instead of earning respect for the sacrifice, wilderness pkers are just blamed by other groups harshly. Well, somehow we once living in the same world and having our own dreams.(<-- okay, please dont say I have no life. If you dont like this sentence, I will change it to 'we once playing the same game in the same server.) The main aim of memorial day is just for old pkers who quitted in the past to meet up again and have a little gathering. But it seems so wrong to many other 'normal' players. :x

First, I wonder if someone heard of the concert theory or any relative materials. Its like some researchers doing concert survey (eg. Do you like going to concerts? Yes [ ] No [ ]) in front of a concert threater with people lining and prepare to watch a concert. Obviously, most people gona say they like concerts because people who taking survey are already ready to watch a concert.... Its pretty much the same when you going into the rs game or some fansites to ask people if they appreciate the overall policy/upates of Jagex? Most people in rs game or fansites would just say they appreaciate because they are playing the game. (if else dont like the policy, they would just choose to quit or play less which means less chance of taking survey). Ok.. this is not the main thing I am talking about.... Heres the real main things I wanna rant!! Fools!! Getting wildiness back is harder than camels pass through the needles' holes!! Noob!! Wilderness is never be back No Life Nerd!! Just get used of it and get a real life and so on ...... But.... I have been telling them like 9999999999999999999999999999 times that I never deserve to have wilderness back and I really really know wilderness is never come back!!! I knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do people still keep doing this on we old minority wilderness pking supporters?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This few lines are added later on since some players got confused of the nature of the wilderness memorial day. The wildneress memorial day is just an IN-GAME EVENT. No real life politics are involved. No real life history books are involved. Once again, Its just an IN-GAME EVENT for old pkers to have some fun in runescape. Plz dont get confused, There wilderness memorial day is just an IN-GAME EVENT, no real life stuff is involved. Thank you for your attention. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, currently some old pkers and me decided to create a wilderness memorial day (WM Day) on the 10th of each month JUST and ONLY for: 1. Letting the new rs generations (this refers to newbies who play rs after dec 10th 2007) to know more about the old pking system. 2. Calling back the old friends who quited in the past for some gathering (Even rs is a video game, friendship will still created between pkers). 3. Keep our old memories in the wilderness so it not gona be forgotten. 4. Just for the old wildiness pkers to have fun. 5. Help people become rational about the fall in old wilderness (Some rioters are still having psy problem of losing the wilderness, they yewed and curse all the day. So we hope something positive could be done to them to cure their psy problems). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the explanations (......) above are added after some people are confused about the nature of wilderness memorial day. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEVER NEVER NEVER AND NEVER DESERVE THE RETURNING OF OLD WILDERNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We always try to be rational, we never use the old wilderness to compare with any Jagex's policy, we try to be polite to everyone. WE JUST WANNA HAVE A MEMORIAL DAY SO OLD PKERS WILL NEVER FORGET WILDERNESS WAS ONCE EXIST IN THE PAST!!!!!! We really try to explain and explain again that we never deserve wilderness... we never asking wilderness back.... But we minority pkers keep being stabbed, being yelled by some 'normal' players, they never listen to our purpose while we explain like 99999999999999999999999999 times. They just keep Yelling!! Fools!! Getting wildiness back is harder than camels pass through the needles' holes!! Noob!! Wilderness is never be back No Life Nerd!! Just get used of it and get a real life Bh is better and wildiness sucks no more wilderness !! Yay!! so on and so on .....

Think so... If those people can really find a better job, I dont think they will really go to play over 15 hours rs per day just for that $200/month. However, most tipit users do not live in China anyways, so you can blame them being ignorant. Its totally not their fault of not knowing whats happen in those developing countries. Again, I dont mean to encourage those people working over 15 hrs per day for $200. I think my aim of posting this thread is to let people understand more about whats happening in this world.

Hi ^^ I am a maker is this thread. Here I just want to point out: A thief in a community does not mean that the whole community are thievies.. For instance, if you stole stuff from a convenience store, we cant say your whole family are thieves because this is just unfair to your family :wink: . At least the guy there did not steal anything nor using any bots programs (he tried once but he has stopped after getting banned) And yea!! All Runescape items and accounts belong to Jagex. So we should not make any rants nor any opinions. Rather, it will be the way better to do nothing like a sheep and wait for Jagex come owning us =D> By the way, I posting thie thread did not mean to encourage the rwt but just found interest about the article. I dont really know that you guys have read similar stuff b4 so I am very sorry :oops: .

lolz, since most of the gold farmers are from China, I think u guys would be interested in hearing more about it.

I was reading around some chinese rs forum and find a chinese gold farmer writing his story. This is a long long story and I try to translate it: 'All the Jagex Staff are just mad and stupid' is the impression I have after several years of operations. The 10 Dec updates have already shown that how stupid they can be -- By seeing how they rip off all the rs players for killing us. I had been working as a gold farmer for almost 2 years. I worked like 12-16 hours per day but only got paid an avarage about US$187 per month (in a condition that the accounts are not being banned). I had had so much feelings towards my job but just too busy to write them out. However, now I dont need to play rs anymore but have to seek for some other jobs. One of my best main is a lv92 cb (84 mage, 82 range, 68 prayer...) with a total lvs of 1369 and 157 quest points. I spent 6 months and of caz with 6 months membership fees and agency fees on it. And I also remember on the day Jagex had it banned, it was having more than 200M in it and just after a week of being banned, all market value of those stuff had increased by 100M. The life of gold farmers contains so much risk. The 1st time my account got banned was on March 2006 lossing 10M+ of stuff. During June an account containing 46M+ also got banned by Jagex. During that time, 1M could sell for about US$ 6. During the year of 2007, Jagex also banned my accounts like hell which included a 100M+ account on March and a 200M+ account on August. On November, Jagex banned my 4 biggest accounts within 16 days and made my lost all my income in that month. During 2006 in the months between march to june, I used the atuo clickers to create some auto buying bots. This resulted in massive amount of accounts being banned again and I never tried it again. And soon later, even there are people selling some auto progarms such as auto yews chop, auto loster catch and auto buyers, I had no more intend to buy them caz I dont know Jagex to ban too many accounts of mine. Now, everything is over because of those marco people and the nut Jagex. I will say 'All over' means gold farmers cant make any money and normal players also quit runescape as well as the game is now ruinscape. This game will also be done soon in the future. By my 2 years experience of playing old runescape, I find that its fun is mainly from: merchant, monster hunting, qesting, pking and barrows. sometimes I felt cool when going into the general store and looking on the players' stock. However, can you tell how much fun are remained in this game?? To be continued....

Monster hunting is gone. My friends are gone. F2p are totally done.

I will say that Jagex doing all these just because it will withdraw from RuneScape very soon and thus to make this opportunity to get rip of the F2p (making F2p so worse off and force them to get membership) Of caz, I dont mean they will withdraw Runescape tomorrow or some months later, but maybe 2 - 3 years in the future. They are just commercial company and plz dont expect them really 'love' runescape as we do. And after they withdraw Runescape, maybe they are gona concentrate on the new 'MechScape' which they think it may help them make some more big money

Um... I think this should go back to the issue that -------> Whether Skill Cape is a symbol of paying US $ 5 dollar a month or a symbol of long hours of hardworking.... If you really ask me whether F2p deserves I will say NO!!! Caz it is so obvious that F2p 99 skills are so much harder than P2p 99 skills (eg. 99 F2p prayer vs 99 P2p prayer) And so, For the sake of all players, Jagex just dont want to make the F2p having a hard life for the stupid cape and they will never let F2p have any chance to have skillcapes.

So thats the simple reason why something similar to piety for range/mage should not exist?? Fine... -.-

The newest prayer Chivalry and Piety give like 20%def, 18%str, 15%att and 25%def, 23%str and 20%att up to meleers. To make the combat triangle more balanced, is it possible for jagex to make range/mage chivalry and piety thats give like 20%def, 18%range/mage and 25%def, 23%range/mage up??

This goes back to the issue that: In the past before GE, coals are like 200ea. After GE, I always ask why coals are 150-160ea even theres no more mining autors now -.-

Well... isnt there so much other ways to kill the rwt better rather than what jagex was currently doing?? If jagex is really doing the best for the game, why dont they do it in the way better rather than killing wildiness and limiting people trade?? (these all just limit the interactions between players and make it not looking like an on line game.....

I think this is a pretty cool idea rather than that qp limit.. Thats just a way to do further discrimination on F2p.... I support!!

Ar... I never mean to be serious but I think Jagex, as a COMMERCIAL comapny has been costing too much for the pure JUSTICE. Even they say that they aim at killing all the rwt, but, it seems like they are killing almost everything and killing the game. For sure, the game quality has been lower a lot if you think of the relationship between the current update and some player groups like pkers, merchants, skillers and all F2p. It seems that there must be something more than just dealing with the rwt. Or Jagex wont be ruinning the game so much just for killing the bots. Anyways, plz dont take this too serious as we can do much on it now. Plz dont blame me too harsh becaz it is just lame. :-$

okay.. WoW dont drop stuff after died in pking... But.. they do have more crazy rwt than runescape. Is there something they did to stop rwt for true justice?? Or, they just dont do nothing for evilness??

thz guys, Thats why I say its a lame thought. Gone edit the topic to 'very lame and just for fun thought' :oops: Now I do believe Jagex killing pk, killing merchant, killing lootshare, limiting F2p trade to 3k, limiting P2p trade up to 30k, making the ownage bounty hunter and ownage party room are all for pure justice :o