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I rented the Orange Box because I was pretty sure I wouldn't be able to find a game for TF2 on 360 (I was right), I wasn't sure if I'd like Portal or if I'd think it was too hard, and I wouldn't know if I'd like HL2.. Well...I like Portal but eventually ended up getting stuck and said screw it for the day. Tried TF2...Well, TRIED to TRY it...Couldn't find a game. HL2...I don't really have an opinion on yet. My favourite quote so far on Portal was when the AI said "This next task, is impossible." and then kept saying "We regret to inform you that this task is impossible." and then when you get it done, it says "Congratulations. You performed well under extreme pessimism." :P

"lol irl" all you want. Doesn't change anything. You've completely ignored most of what I said and just went on with what you believe, so yea...whatever...Don't know why I'm even continuing this, but sure... First point - I don't believe you support terrorism. I believe most Muslims do in some form or another. I'd say the portion of western Muslims that support it is...very small. However, the portion of eastern Muslims (where most Muslims are located) who support it or simply ignore it I'd imagine is higher than what you're presenting. If the President of Iran can say he wishes to bring death to Israel, wipe it off the map, and kill Jews...And the entire country cheers...It's kinda hard to believe that they're not in support of terrorism. Still I acknowledge people like you, who are moderate, and not terrorists. Good on you. Second point - Why was the Old Testament not rewritten or done away with if things in it are no longer needed? Clearly you're not listening to what I'm saying...God said he will preserve his word in the Torah and Bible FOREVER AND EVER. You can't get rid of them. The words themselves are protected by God. WHICH is why nothing in the Bible can be "false" as your religion says it is (and it does...). Your sample of violence from the New Testament was quite laughable, considering none of it had anything to do with advocating human-on-human violence - something that the Qu'ran does. Oh noes...Demon-pigs running off cliffs and Jesus saying most people will go to Hell! How...horrible...? By the way, nice mis-quote of Jesus by the way, trying to make him sound like a bad dude...What he actually said was that it was hard to get into Heaven...And it is. I fully believe most people who call themselves "Christians" today will not get into Heaven, and that is a sad fact and something that has kept me from believing in religion...It is clear man cannot handle it, because even the most righteous (considered that by others, anyways...) Christian these days is a a bigger sinner than most people. These people will not go to Heaven, and they're not fooling God by saying they will. Most Christians (and Muslims, this is how extremism is built...) will pick one thing out of the Bible/Qu'ran and live it and beat it to death, even if it completely contradicts something else in the book. In order to follow a religion properly...You have to do everything the book says the best you can. Moderates don't even try living most of it. And why can't I believe the Bible verbatim? The evolutionists say the Flood is impossible? Crap like that? That can be summed up with a big "So freakin' what?" and a "God can do whatever he wants."...Is it a cop-out to say that? Sure, but it's also true. I've shied away from evolution and atheism because those people are getting infinitely more annoying with each passing day with their attempts at disproving religions of all kinds and trying to convert everyone to a new religion...Evolution. No difference really, evolutionists just get more "Holy Land"...The entire Earth. :P Anyways...You say Muslims love Jews and Christians, I find this hilarious. Perhaps you do, and that's cool. Again, good on you...but your religion and most of its followers aren't so rosie-cheeked about it. "Many a generation We destroyed ... and created after them another generation.--6:6" - referring to Jews. "Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6" - Very nice. "Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61" - La-de-daaaa... "Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66" - Sweet. "If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85" - Special one, just for you. "Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96" - O RLY?! "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119 - Mmm. "Disbelievers are losers. 2:121" - Hm. Losers? Is that seriously, like...An ancient word? Holy crap. "Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171" - News to me. "Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178" - Here comes the violence... "Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2" - Is this enough, or need I go on? There are over 500 of these...I can keep going...I will...Okay, I am... "Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193" - Sooo...Take over the world and give us no choice? Okay, cool. "War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216" - Sound like the play ground tough guy to me. "Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257" - But if we say the same about you, we're "hateful". "Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32" - Jesus loves all. Seems what you consider a mere man is above your God. "Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118" - Nice advice, but Christians (good ones, anyways) love you more than they love themselves. They don't want your ruin, they want your salvation. "Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51" - But bowing down to Mecca 5 times a day isn't idolatry at all... :-s "Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60" - It's funny that Satan will even insult himself in order to deceive you. "If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91" - Guess I could let that one slide...Sounds kinda' like self-defense. "For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1" - BAWWWW! "Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33" - O RLY?! Okay, I'll stop now...I'm only on like #70 of over 500, and I skipped most of them because almost every single one is "unbelievers will have a very bad punishment" over and over and over. Now it's your turn to say "Those are all out of context." and for me to dismiss you as a fool. Next point - You think the Bible is wrong because it was written a few generations after Jesus? LAWLZ! The Qu'ran cites Jesus several times as if Muhammed and he were best buddies...But Muhammed came even after the Bible was written...How is yours ANY more credible? Hilarious. Next point - Muslims were not in Israel first. You're hilarious. The Jews have been there for thousands of years, and Muslims drove them out. Or are you saying the Torah was written and took place in modern-day Britain? Lol. Again, hilarious. Jews were there before ANYONE, period, and Muslims took it. Jews were given their land back, Muslims attacked the Jews, the Muslims LOST and the Jews took MORE of their land and the UN ordered the Jews to give it back - which they did. By the way, this fulfilled a Biblical prophecy and the Muslims, to this day, cannot over-run Israel. And they never will. Next point - Just because you don't follow the Bible doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you. ;) And I don't believe you're going to go to some ever-lasting feiry Hell, dude. I believe if anything, you'll be severed from God forever. Indeed, I believe Islam is a religion invented by Satan. The above quotes further this. What does Satan hate more than anything? God. What is a good way to get to God? Killing God's beloved Jews and Christians. Satan hates humans because God loves us...What's another good way to make God angry? Making one of his most beautiful creations - the female, cover her entire body so that she may not be seen in all her splendor. Just sayin'...These are mere coincidences to you, or what? Thought of that last one myself too! Didn't even read it anywhere! As a Muslim, it is your obligation to read both the Bible and Qu'ran and decide which is the true religion. If you read the whole Bible with an open mind (you're likely not capable as you're already a Muslim, however...) you'll easily see which is. next point - I should be in jail because I said the Bible can be taken "quite literally"? Nice one. Your true nature of oppression shows, doesn't it? I'm not even allowed to have an opinion now! Hmm. I am aware a lot of the Bible is metaphor...That's why I said "quite literally" and not "completely literally". Next point - I've already proved you're wrong with facts. You fail to see them for whatever reason (likely a closed mind due to already being a Muslim) Next point - Yes, my opinions are illogical hate because they're against your religion. :roll: Whatever. If I think your religion is a load of BS, I'm free to say so. I've also clearly stated that doesn't mean I think you're a bad person. I think your religion is bad. That is all.

Yes, I can. According to Islam's own ideology, Islam cannot be true. Look up some facts about it, you'll see why. I've stated a few...There are plenty more, but the biggest one is their claim that the Bible and the Torah are corrupted, when it's been proven they are not. Islam, however...Has no such proof, and the the Torah is thousands of years older than the Qu'ran, and the New Testament of the Bible is...500 or so? If I really need to post all the facts (not opinions, facts.) then I will. And really...Can you believe that the God of the Torah/Bible is the SAME God of the Qu'ran? That is what Muslim's believe, and reading the Bible and then reading the Qu'ran is like night and day. Come on, now.

Nice source on how most Muslim's aren't Arabs. ...Good thing I never said they were, huh? I honestly don't know why you keep pointing that out. I aid most Muslims live in MUSLIM NATIONS, which is absolutely true. And nice debate. You point out my "flawed facts" by simply stating they are flawed. Not much of a man of your religion if you can't defend it. But the simple fact is I'll let it slide because you can't defend it. Nothing I said about Islamic beliefs on Christianity was remotely inaccurate. But you'll continue to believe they are. Saying "Christianity is a great religion" is no excuse for being a person who would also say "But it is false and corrupted. Islam is the only true religion." which is false...Which was my point.

Shhh. Just stop, little one. We all know that I didn't read the topic before commenting on the video. It isn't like a killed a baby kitten here. Make more mountains out of mole hills, IMO.

Yea, and I'm trying to tell you he isn't a mad-man, he's just a talking puppet for the people. Rest assured, your country will not be ravaged by Muslims anytime soon. ;)

You honestly want to spam this topic with your endless quoting and stupid rhetoric just because I asked a question that was already answered somewhere in the thread? ...Sounds like someone is mad at me for something I did earlier. I wonder what. (Apologies to Merc and Bubsa for the spam...What can ya' do.)

Seriously could have learned to read. :( Yea, I just saw that. Was that Bubsa dancing around, or Merc? Looked like Bubsa, but I sadly cannot say for sure, since I'm not THAT familiar with his [wagon]. ...Yet. READ THE TOPIC. Again, just saw THAT part too. You need to calm down. :roll: General rule of thumb: Don't make posts on the topic unless you have READ the topic. I clicked the video before I posted...The link was above the text, so...Naturally... Plus, after seeing some dude dancing in a thong, would you REALLY want to read the topic? :lol: I know what this is about, it's about Bubsa raising money for charity n' stuff, so I have no real reason to read 10 pages of text.

lol. He isn't. He's a mouth-breather with no power whatsoever. The Muslim people of the country want to hear him talk about the destruction of Israel...But it's obvious it's just talk, because he has neither the power to order that, nor the power to actually carry it out as a country.

Seriously could have learned to read. :( Yea, I just saw that. Was that Bubsa dancing around, or Merc? Looked like Bubsa, but I sadly cannot say for sure, since I'm not THAT familiar with his [wagon]. ...Yet. READ THE TOPIC. Again, just saw THAT part too. You need to calm down. :roll:

Seriously could have learned to read. :( Yea, I just saw that. Was that Bubsa dancing around, or Merc? Looked like Bubsa, but I sadly cannot say for sure, since I'm not THAT familiar with his [wagon]. ...Yet.

Seriously could have warned me there would be an abundance of man-in-thong. :(

Lmao. Wait wait...Maybe I can sig that. Edit: There, congratulations. You're the first person I've ever siggied on any forum...Ever. :P

Eh, George Bush isn't a Christian either. Most politicians use that to get votes. Even if they do consider themselves Christians, they surely don't practice it. The sad thing is that very few people DO practice it the way it should be practiced, and since the majority are doing it wrong...They give the entire religion a bad reputation. Evangelic money-loving scammers...Liars, preachers who preach against drugs and homosexuality...Then go do meth and hump dudes...People claiming they can heal you via the POWER O' JESUS!11 even though Jesus never once said anyone could do that (in fact I think the opposite was said...)...Yea...I think you see my point. The same could be said for Islam, since people in their faith are trying to use their faith to justify blowing the crap out of people, killing Christians, etc...Only problem is...Their book says this is AWWWW-RIGHT to do. And yes, yes it does say that. I've already explained this.

That's a good point...Islam and Mormonism are kinda' the same...That being that they both came from Christianity and are both built upon a mountain of lies. I'll make it no secret that I don't believe in Islam one bit and I believe that anyone who is a Muslim either hasn't read the Bible, or is quite stupid and/or very misled. People who convert from Christianity to Islam, for example...Make no sense whatsoever. The Dead Sea Scrolls debunk Islam's claims in their entirety, since Islam is based on the principle that it is a further revelation from the God of the Torah/Bible, claiming that the former two are "corrupted" when the Dead Sea Scrolls clearly prove that they are not corrupted in any way. I never used to believe in any religion. I thought they were all completely stupid, but once I started reading about Islam and what Christianity has to say about the end of the world, the anti-Christ, etc...I fully believe the Bible can be taken quite literally. When you see what's going on with Islam, and what the Bible says about the anti-Christ, for example...You'd have to be a fool to say "I see no connection here at all." Still, Muslims can believe whatever they want. I just think they're wrong. Nay, I know they are. They'll try to say you're wrong by using silly examples like "God is eternal! God cannot be born nor die, therefore Jesus was not God!"...So? You forget that A) God can do whatever he pleases and B) Jesus wasn't necessarily God himself. That is an extra belief held by some Christians. I don't believe Jesus WAS God, I believe he was God's son and was divine by way of the Holy Spirit. Jesus clearly referred to God as his father MANY times in the Bible, and when he was dying, asked "Father, why have you forsaken me?", only once (I believe) did Jesus ever indirectly say he was God himself, when he said "I AM", which is what God said his name was. However, God also wrestled Jacob in the flesh, so God can clearly become human if he so pleases. I have plenty of opinions on Islam, but I'm afraid I'll just get banned for posting more. Apparently, it's some kind of rule of the internet that you have to accept what people say and not debate it (on a forum - where debates are encouraged...umm...) or else you will be silenced.

Darkmage: First off, I'd like to know how you figure most Muslims are not currently living in Muslim countries (which is what I said). If I had to make a guesstimate, I'd actually say there are more black Muslims than there are Arabs, but I'm not sure. But at any rate, I never said "Most Muslims are Arabs." Before I say my next thing, I'd like to acknowledge the fact that you're not some psycho terrorist...And I know that. However, here is why killing in the name of Islam and killing in the name of Christianity are NOT the same, they are quite different: 1) Christianity has an old and new testament. The old testament is the only one that talks about killing another for any reason. The new testament has no such talk. Why? Because Jesus came and atoned for the sins of man. We no longer are obligated to kill anyone for any reason, because all the offender has to do is ask for forgiveness (well, and actually mean it and not go off doing it again...) from Jesus, and their sins are cleansed. 2) Islam has no such atonement that I am aware of. You do not ask Muhammed for forgiveness for your sins. You have no atonement, and hence sinners must be punished according to your book still. If it's in there, you should be doing it. If you're not, one could easily ask "Then how are you a Muslim?" and you wouldn't be able to answer. At best, you're a moderate Muslim who merely believes Allah is the creator and la-de-da and you worship him, but you basically don't follow everything the book says. I personally consider that a good thing, but yea. 3) So, when the Bible says "Stone adulterers" and you ask us why we do not follow that command, or use it as reference to Christianity being "violent", that can be argued and quickly put to rest by us explaining Jesus' atonement for our sins. We don't have to do those things. They're no longer valid. You, however, have no such atonement, so when I ask "Why do you not kill the Jews and Christians where you see them?" you can't say anything except "Because I'm not a killer." which doesn't change anything. Your book still says you're supposed to. There are no translation mess-ups or any of that crap. It clearly says it. Have you read the Qu'ran? It says a lot of wacky crap. One could argue the Bible does as well, but I've read them both in a completely unbiased manner and...Ehhh...Sorry, Islam is quite more wacky. :P Jesus died for the sins of us all, and your religion acknowledges him only as a mere "prophet" and then puts Mohammed above him, even though Mohammed is just a mere "prophet" according to your religion as well. Jesus was also a Jew, and Muslims claim to love Jesus for his work from God, but then will have no problems calling Jews "swine" and "apes". Hypocrites much? Maybe you personally don't do this, but even in your post I can tell you do not like Jews and Westerners in general by your mere astonishment that Jews are allowed to live in Israel. This is not Muslim land...Muslims therefore do not deserve to live there. Just because Muslims lived there once does not mean it is their land. I found it odd that you said "Jews left and Muslims moved BACK" as if Muslims were there before and the Jews drove them out...That is quite hilarious. You call me out as someone who puts too much faith in propaganda? Please...As if you are not guilty of that as well? My view on Islam may be a little warped due to the media (I don't watch Fox by the way, I watch CNN. Fox is for right-wing turdlettes. :P) but your view on things is warped just by being a Muslim. How is that different? And I can say exactly who will go to Heaven and who will not. I know. Why do you not know? It's quite clear...144,000 people from the 12 tribes of Israel will go to Heaven. BAM! There it is. Says so in the Bible. You, of course, believe the Torah/Bible is corrupted, even though we found the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948 and they match perfectly with what we have today...And they're over 2,000 years old...Older than your entire religion...Keep in mind God himself said he'd preserve his word "forever and ever". If you believe God wrote all of these books, yours included, then why in the world are you worshiping from the wrong, false book? Just curious. Anyways, continuing on...144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel go to Heaven. Everyone else who accepted Jesus lives eternally in peace and happiness on Earth. Everyone else lives in eternal severance from God. Let me just say that I don't believe in Hell...I believe Hell is a metaphor for the pain of being separated from God for eternity. Seems like a just punishment instead of being morbid and saying everyone is going to burn in fire or whatever, something I fully believe God wouldn't do. I also believe something else that maybe no one else does...That the acceptance of Jesus can be metaphorical too. Your can say "I accept Jesus and love him with all my heart" all you want and it could mean nothing if you don't mean it, so why should it be assumed you HAVE to proclaim it and say it aloud? Is not living exactly how Jesus lived essentially "accepting" him? I don't know, maybe there's something I missed that says you have to invite Jesus over to dinner or something. *Shrug* That's all I got to say. If you guys consider this "OT-SPAMZ!!1" then create a topic about this and I'll be more than happy to post in it. However, I will not make one myself because I don't want to be "The idiot who started another religious topic that got locked because atheists don't know how to control themselves." :P

Tried it...It's pretty obvious people are running bots on it or something. I ended up killing one of them, but I probably just got lucky. They also seemed to shoot much faster than I did and never missed...Hax. :P

I'm going to make a bold statement here and say that anyone who plays MMO's the way they need to be played (hours at a time, everyday) hasn't got much of a life. When I played them, I was casual and still ended up playing instead of doing other things. Any top players in any games really can't have a life...Just no time for it. :shock:

So few RSCers left that no one even bothers thinkin' about this anymore? :P

It wasn't what you said, it was how you said it. Especially with the "and gay people too", which was when I decided to respond. But as long as you know the yada-yada about extremism and moderation. Well, if us and them weren't [bleep] to each other's religion, we wouldn't be sitting here worrying about Iran tossing nukes around, would we? Yes, we would be! ;) Us saying Islam sucks and that Muhammed was a pedo has little to do with why they dislike us. They dislike us because they feel Israel is occupying their lands or whatever, and we are supporters of Israel. Never mind the fact, of course...That Muslims have attacked Israel many times and Israel has even taken some of their land after winning and been ordered by the UN to give it back. Never before has someone won a war, took the spoils of [wagon]-kickery and then been asked to give them back to the losers. :lol: In short, Muslims will always hate us because we will continue to support Israel, and they'll always hate Israel because they believe Israel is on their land or whatever. I'm not much a geography nor a history buff, but haven't the Jews been in that land since...Umm...The beginning of recorded history? When did the Muslims ever claim this land? :P To awnser your question, no the Jews have not been i that land continuously since the beginning of recorder history. They started there and occupied the space until around when the Roman Empire fell, at which point they were forced out by the muslims, who stayed in charge for quite awhile. They slowly moved back into the area in the years before world war two, at which point they were given their own counntry, Isreal, by the winners of the war in 1948. Yea, I know that...What I meant was...It was originally Jewish land. Muslims took it over. Since when does taking something make it your birth-right? *Waits for someone to say the exact same thing about Americans* :P

It wasn't what you said, it was how you said it. Especially with the "and gay people too", which was when I decided to respond. But as long as you know the yada-yada about extremism and moderation. Well, if us and them weren't [bleep] to each other's religion, we wouldn't be sitting here worrying about Iran tossing nukes around, would we? Yes, we would be! ;) Us saying Islam sucks and that Muhammed was a pedo has little to do with why they dislike us. They dislike us because they feel Israel is occupying their lands or whatever, and we are supporters of Israel. Never mind the fact, of course...That Muslims have attacked Israel many times and Israel has even taken some of their land after winning and been ordered by the UN to give it back. Never before has someone won a war, took the spoils of [wagon]-kickery and then been asked to give them back to the losers. :lol: In short, Muslims will always hate us because we will continue to support Israel, and they'll always hate Israel because they believe Israel is on their land or whatever. I'm not much a geography nor a history buff, but haven't the Jews been in that land since...Umm...The beginning of recorded history? When did the Muslims ever claim this land? :P

Such a quality game for what it is.

Even the most extreme Christian knows you can't kill a person. FAIL Mmmhmm. I remember this one insane lady that got interviewed in Fox saying that the soldiers dying in Iraq deserved to die because they are going against what their fundamentalist nterpretation of God teaches. And we also can't forget that the KKK and some racist groups out there are more than willing to organize a lynching mob if they could get away with it. Oh well crap... we just turned this thread into another religious thread, didn't we? I say we lynch Imba! He started it! Again, not Christians. Do you believe God would accept such acts as Christianity? Hell, even other Christians think those people are [developmentally delayed]ed. If you ask me, my personal opinion is that they're not even a branch of Christianity anymore...They are now...uhhh...An anti-gay cult, or somethin'. And the KKK? Seriously? Honestly now, don't get me started on those people. Also, I forgot to address...The Muslim community is also fully capable of dismissing extremists and non-Muslims as well, but it seems like that doesn't happen as much as it should be. Of course if these people are deciding to kill others, they're no longer practicer's of the claimed "Religion of Peace" anyways, are they? Well, it seems that more times than not, these acts are not necessarily comdemned full-stop. Not in Muslim countries ESPECIALLY. Most western Muslims are of COURSE not extremists and are quite moderate, and I am not talking about these people. I personally live in a community that is absolutely saturated with Muslims from Somalia, and I'm not like...Scared or anything. That's because they're not extremists.

Well, I can tell you your job as another Christian isn't to judge others. Yes, I am Christian. It's awfully close minded to bash another religion like that; how many innocent Muslims will it take to convince the world that they're not all extremist terrorists? You seem to miss where I said "extreme" and "Muslim". I'm fully aware not all Muslims are terrorists, la-de-da...etc etc. Everyone knows. There are moderate Muslims just like there are moderate Christians. Some Muslim's don't follow the "Behead the disbelievers" and "Where ever you see Jews and Christians, slay them" (or whatever) passages, just like some most Christians don't follow the "Stone adulterers" (does anyone do that anymore, actually? Lol.) and...Well, the stoning of various other groups. This time, however, you're quite welcome to note the difference where I said "some Muslims" and "most Christians", implying that there are less moderate Muslims than there are moderate Christians, which I'd have no trouble believing is 100% true. Most Muslim's reside in Muslim countries where a lot of people are not practicing these things, but they won't necessarily snear at someone who is. Also, even if I was being mean about their religion, I have every right to NOT like their religion. No law says I have to like everyones religion besides the PC law that says if I don't, I'm a [bleep]....Oh well? :P

Even the most extreme Christian knows you can't kill a person. FAIL Um, no? Did you read the rest of what I said? If you think killing someone is okay, and try to justify it somehow using Christianity...You cease to be a Christian. Would you let someone be in your guild and be runnni' around scamming people saying it was in the name of your guild? Surely not, and I'd imagine God (if he exists) is the same way. The Crusades, for example...Were done by people calling themselves Christians, but how many went to Heaven? Zero.