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wrong again there EGO :-k leading cause of deaths by age group want more proof? Even Wiki reports low figures for suicide Please at least try to do some research before touching the SUBMIT button :^o

[hide=More inane blatherings to become an attention [bleep]] [/hide] You Sir, are a complete horse's rear-end! Why is it, you attempt to hijack every thread Qeltar creates with self-serving bile and rhetoric? :^o Why do you attempt to claim he hates you? #-o Why do you attempt to claim everything he says is false when any 5minute search will show it's true? :-k http://www.tinameier.com/ < Oh look. The dead girl's mother has a website for selling houses UK press has a story about this Newsweek magazine has this story Local newspaper has this story American ABC News has this Associated Press has this AP link together news media from all over the world! Chicago Tribune has yet another story about this Oh look, even CNN get into this "obviously fake" story NOw, are ALL these, and more fake? Just to serve some nefarious purpose to malign your interests and name? :-s Is Qeltar the owner of all the listed websites to have made it a worldwide story? Get over your attitude son, cos everyone knows you're a troll. Don't bother replying to this unless you can come up with something less tenuous than "I R gr34t cuz I R h4v1n9 10billion G33p33s!! I r 1333337rz! 4nd ur p00rz so u d0n't c0unt!" :boohoo: Not everyone is as ego-centric [perhaps a more apt name for you, but scorpion fits also, as poisonous rhetoric goes] as you, nor can everyone watch their child 24/7. If they do, I believe there's something fairly creepy about that constant surveillance. There comes a time when the apron strings have to be let go off, and strike out on your own two feet. Those molly-coddled usually have severe problems in adult-hood with making friends, and relating (empathising) with others [sound familiar?]. As for the rest of your spurious "proofs" that the story is fake, try reading the full story properly, not just skipping to the "interesting" bits :-w In summation : You're a troll. You're self-serving. You're completely inept at arguing a point. You should ebgage your brain before opening your mouth. Of those who say nothing, few are silent - Thomas Neil : You are never silent, and yet you say nothing of interest or validity everytime you open your mouth.

You are quite wrong. ALL bullying is serious. Whether physical, emotional or sexual. Whether perpetrated by one or many. Whether online or in real-life. Thankfully, this country (UK), is finally waking up to the problems of "cyber-bullying" and is in the process of enacting laws to prevent, and punish it. Just as it outlawed "hazing" in the workplace some years ago. Yes, obviously you neither care to, or desire to understand compassion for your fellow humans. As long as you're OK, Jack? The connection is fairly obvious to those who actually bothered to read the story. It's not just Runescape, or Myspace that's at fault: it's the attitudes of people like you that ignore problems caused by others, when a voice speaking against them would do far more to help, than completely ignoring it.

some programs replace the space in paths with "%20". try "My%20Pictures" instead

No, Jagex provided the information to Mz West, who wrote it under their direction. Jagex's copyright is on the book, thereby making it "official", rather than "unofficial" as it would have to be labelled under any number of countries laws, including the US.

It hasn't been forgotten. It just doesn't have the wide-ranging implications of whatever Jagex decide to do with and for the Grand Exchange. Duel Arena updates are probably only going to affect a small percentage of the general population, a niche corner as it were, whilst GE has the potential to effect everyone in the game across every server at the same time. That being said, Tournaments could be fun to watch, and lob some tomatoes down into ;)

I was wondering why it said this too. I'm sure I've spent more than 100 hours as ftp... :-s Same here (much more :uhh: ) but to whoever said 100 hours+ is pointless grinding, I disagree, but whatever. I don't feel like I have ever grinded except maybe from 96-98 woodcutting. The rest of it is pure fun to me. 100 hours is probably the amount of time the average player requires to get the requirements, and complete all the F2P quests...

:shock: I really hope Jagex are reading these forums to see all you little ****s posting you're going to be exploiting any bugs found, and/or using it to help you break the rules. :shame: :shame: :shame: #-o

Sorry, but you can blame Rockstar Games for the content of their games. They wrote them, they advertised the fact very heavily that such content was in the game, and only issued patches to "hide" this content when they were refused classifications in several countries that REFUSE to allow such content. And who whinged about this refusal effectively banning the game from sale? well it wasn't adults... #-o

I understood your point, and I disagree with it, as I pointed out. Don't just take my word for it, go read the site, spend some time there, and try to understand how badly Jagex are "managing" their game. Yes, it's their game, and they can do what they want, but when they contravene their own rules, are sensible, moral people just supposed to sit there and not react to it?? No. They quite rightly get off their backsides, and inform the relevant people they're being ... silly. Why else would Jagex make so many U-turns and conflicting statements? HOW are his criticisms NOT constructive? They're obviously constructive enough for other people to agree with, and Jagex to actually implement some of them (granted, not 100% by a long stretch). You've also not read the whole article or sites as he says in several places, even here on TiFs that he quite likes the game, it's just certain aspects of the community, and the fact that Jagex either can't or won't do much to clean it up. Instead they focus almost exclusively on "fixing" things that aren't broke, graphics updates, and catering to very low-level "whingers" on their forums: "nerf this item!" "easier quests!" When they do listen to the people that have played longest, for more high-level content (ie higher-end quests for people over 115 combat/2000+skills [NO, i'm not that high, but understand their frustration]) they actually then twist and distort it due to the whinging. Ok, this year they introduced a couple of VERY high level areas, but that's the exception, not the rule :( As for him advising people away?? I'd like you to provide an example please.... :-w

Not exactly true. Most of the skillers I know like to get their own resources. Some are in quite dangerous areas. May not be little kids "RC Pking" at the abyss dangerous or wildy dragons "pkers";) but level 200+ critters (brutal greens) but there are dangers nonetheless :P

[GRAMMAR NAZI] Ignorance is a state of lacking knowledge Ignorance is NOT behaviour. [/GRAMMAR NAZI]

Definitely "Gower"

Given Jagex's history with rushing their updates into play, I think I'll wait at least 2 weeks before even attempting to use it. #-o It'll likely be full of bugs and errors that the unscrupulous will try to exploit for personal gain. :shame: If Jagex have an ounce of sense, they will implement a "search" feature to help people (buyers) find what they want in a reasonable amount of time. And/or they'll have "tabs"/sections for the different types of items (armours; weapons; foods; lumber; etc, etc, etc.) \ All-in-all, I can say I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it, yet not with the breathless anticipation of some people here and in RSOF. I guess Jagex have made too many FUBAR's in the past to expect anything decent the first-time around on a new update. Have they been taking lessons from Microsoft? :-w

mechscape would not be an UPDATE... it would be major news on main jagex (not runescape) site

Note the Bold I added in Jagex terms&conditions : This implies, if not out-and-out declares to the world that the parent can create an avatar for the under-13 child, and as long as the parent sits at the side of, and guides the child through its online session, the under-13 child can use the site. If this is not actively encouraging children to play, I don't know what is :-k BUT: Yes, you may claim that the parent is responsible for ensuring this is followed, but as any adult has so many demands on his/her time this may be hard, if not impossible, to accomplish in 100% of cases. Jagex certainly can't monitor who's sat at any computer, so this paper-tiger of a rule is merely a legal "get-out-of-jail-free" card to cover their own backsides with regards COPPA, and advertising. Take a quick look at miniclip where Jagex advertise. You're seriously telling me that kids as young as 5 or 6 won't take one look and immediately like the cartoony look of it? Won't try any of the games there? Won't find Runescape there?

[citation needed] Please, please, for the love of all that is sane in this world, go read pages ONE and TWO of this thread. Proven, time and again on this thread alone. PLEASE, go read it. Providing better tools for people to help their children would not in any way detract from their business. Indeed, I believe it would only help them, by the very least, showing they care enough. (whether they actually do or not is another matter :roll: ) This is the new compliance with the American COPPA act, already covered, in detail on first two pages of this thread. PLEASE read it :wall: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: enough said ;)

pawn. chess piece. lowest value (allegedly) often sacrificed for better gains later

IIRC, it was sometime around the first half of 2006, april/may? It certainly wasn't in place from the end of October 2005 (when I started playing) to sometime into the New Year 2006. I must admit I didn't pay much attention to it at the time, it's been a LONG time since I was 13 :oops: :-w umm? no, I was merely pointing out that some young kids are not as stupid regarding technology and games as some of the people on this thread would like to think. First hand knowledge, not gleaned from web-sites. And for those who think that kids don't soak up anything they are exposed to, (nature vs nurture debates, anyone?) there is ample proof that it's actually both, not one OR the other that factor in how a child will mature (or not :wink: ). The more kids are exposed to the worst of the "talk" inside Runescape (or indeed any other community, online or off) without explaining to them WHY it's bad, and should not be emulated, the more they will see it as "normal", and parrot it. Another parental duty that some seem to be failing miserably at :evil: . Yes, it's hard to juggle work, social, and kids, but "compromise" is a word many people need to learn early in their adult life, and should not children also learn this from their parents? Perhaps then people would get along better...oh wait...there's that ideal world again :wall:

Are these issues the ones Jagex "updated" over the last several months? or the ones they have yet to acknowledge? :wink: I raise again the point that Jagex made a complete fool of themselves over this luring into the wilderness to kill for items earlier this year. It was the efforts of people like this Qeltar, and possibly (I'm not totally convinced) one or more of Jagex's advertisers/sponsors telling them that their stance on this not only contravened their OWN RULES, but was morally reprehensible too. #-o If one voice can make a positive change in the way Jagex operates their game, I'd rather it be Qeltar, or someone like him, than any of the thousands of peurile rants "posters" on the Runescape Official Forums. I hope you don't wear those blinkers when you're crossing the street :P Again, my views are my own, and mine alone, and I intend no insult with my rather blunt manner of speech :-w

Now I know that half the people on this forum don't like to read everything fully before posting the first thing that pops into their fairly small minds, that seems to fall into 1 of 2 categories : "I am so much better than you ever can be so your points are invalid and I will continuously shout my spurious arguements until you leave" or "Jagex is so ÃÆÃâÃâ¦Ã¢â¬Åberly good that people who complain obviously haven't played the game and I will continuously shout my spurious arguements until you leave". So with that in mind, I'll try to explain simply and slowly. This age restriction is very recent. I started in October of 2005 when there was no such rule. Jagex made this rule to comply with some American law (that IIRC, was repealed even more recently) so they could advertise the game and allow servers to host it in the US. It's called "COPPA" or Child Online Privacy Protection Act. It was fairly draconian in penalties for companies that failed to meet it's stringent conditions about gathering data from their player base of children. I know quite a few families that play Runescape, and yes, children too. The youngest player I know of, personally, is aged 6. He's the son of an Australian friend of mine, and she guides his activities in this game. There's also the 11 year old girl I've known since just after I signed up. (Tell the truth, I had thought her to be at least college age because of her manner of speech and general maturity in game). Jagex rules at signing up now state a person under the age of 13 can not create a new avatar. This does not, (at least Jagex don't enforce it), affect avatars created BEFORE this COPPA act compliance, so the problem is not that people are now violating a game rule, but that Jagex either will not or can not apply this rule retroactively. I also know personally, that children as young as 3 can use computers very successfully. They may not play games as complex as Runescape, but they are capable of playing games suitable for their age. With a responsible adult at their side to guide their activities, children can safely play some online games too. I'm sorry? Jagex aren't responsible for advertising to children? Jagex don't continuously "dumb down" the game content to cater to children, thereby making it more appealing to them? Yes, parents should be monitoring their children's internet activities, and in an ideal world, all parents would. In an ideal world there would be no wars, rape, murder, burglary, drugs, etc. The world is not "Black and white" as some people would like to think. There are whole shades of grey out there, and This COPPA "compliance" by Jagex is a prime example. Let me just post that again for those who didn't bother reading this the first time : Yes, the authour of that nearly 1 year old article admits here, on Tipit Forums, that he did indeed write that article. HELLO!!?? See above points. It's not that a lot of these children under 13 are playing illegally, they signed up BEFORE Jagex decided they wanted to comply with this american COPPA law so they could advertise in the US for more children to sign up. New avatars can be created by children under 13 now ONLY with their parents compliance, and permission. I bet I know quite a few that don't get either, but as long as Jagex appear to be complying with the law, and the $5 is paid, do you seriously think they're going to overturn EVERY little rock to see what's underneath??:wall: Hmm? Would the esteemed gentleperson care to retract that statement before being shown to the world as a completely ignorant (and I'm using the word in it's proper meaning) person? I know personally, children of 4 that set goals, work towards them, reach them, then make new goals. Day-in, day-out. Not just short-term goals for 1 day, but months long goals. These children can, and do, play games, including MMORPGs. The more complex tasks in games will require adult supervision and help, but are you seriously saying that they can't learn from observation, and repetition?? :shame: Yet another ... person... either UNABLE to read, or UNWILLING to read. The first poster states he was surfing wiki for Runescape yes, but did you actually read the link he supplied (not clicked it, just read the address)?? http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2007/03/26/runescape_exposed/ That's "Tomsgames.com", not Wiki. And we have the authour of the articles here in this very thread, and from what I've seen from the postings here, he's not the moron.... #-o Sir, I salute you on your post =D> No physical damage : on the surface, yes....but it goes further than that. People who have negative experiences tend to react in 1 of several ways. There's "oh well, it's only a game" or "I'm gonna [swear] kill you, you [swear]". There's also those that take it even more seriously. Needless to say I won't discuss that aspect on here. That's an ... interesting ... point of view you've got there. :-k Quite naÃÆÃâÃâïve and ever so faintly disturbing at an obsessive level... You seriously expect people to monitor their children 24/7?? Seems we're back to that ideal world again. :wall: There's only so much a parent can do for their children : yes, we can teach them right and wrong, and morals, but there comes a point where you have to let go, let them stand on their own two feet, let them learn things for themselves. Kids lie as soon as they learn there's a difference between "me" and "you" (for the unknowledgeable, that's approximately 2-3 years old :shock:. I did it myself : I told my parents I was going to one friend's house when in fact I went to another's, much further away. Do I regret it now? Yes, I lied to those who love me, care for me. If anything had happened to me, they wouldn't have known until that knock on the door. The world doesn't always deal in absolutes as you seem to think, there's lots of room to manouevre between "Black" and "White". And therein lies the rub. Do you have proof he made up those statistics? Because that claim would be libellous if you don't ;) Warren211, I'd like you to meet Qeltar. Qeltar, this is Waren211, something of an idiot. Hello Warren211, Please, please, please engage your brain before opening your mouth. You won't look so completely silly then :wall: As I've said above, I know quite a few young children, maybe not as young as 5, that play online. Their spelling and grammar makes quite a few people on these, and other forums, look completely [developmentally delayed]ed. Also as stated above, by myself and a couple of others, this 13+ rule by Jagex is a recent innovation, to comply with the American COPPA law. Players before this was enacted who are STILL under the age of 13, remain unnaffected. That means that they are still able to play the game they created their avatar on several years ago. Wow, Please refer to my opening comments to the last quote. And enact them 15 times. Insulting? yes, you are. Trolling, most probably. Even if, as you say, the ages on the OFFICIAL RUNESCAPE MANUAL, marketed to children's schools, are reading ages for the book, do you seriously expect kids that young to NOT pester their parents relentlessly to be able to play "the cool game of this book"?? As for the rest of your comments, I don't feed trolls, so I'll refrain here too :wink: Umm did you actually read it? He's not biased to the extent you assume [yeah, you're making an [wagon] out of YOU] here. He likes the game, he plays the game, he's just worried that Jagex aren't doing all in their power to ensure the rules THEY made are followed, even down to the absolute howler earlier this year that they PUBLICLY ENDORSED rule breaking such as luring and scamming. His own website, Truthscape, highlights a lot of problems, and in quite a few cases, within days of his writing about them, Jagex "suddenly" fix the problem. Coincidence? maybe....but that's an awful lot of coincidence for my tastes. The only quote you can pull off the whole article is that "the caption doesn't match the picture"??? NEWSFLASH : They aren't meant to. Even my 6year old neice saw that one :wall: In summary, the article is written by someone who HAS played the game for years, knows what he's talking about, yet has to endure the attentions of idiots, trolls and worse for trying to bring people's attentions to SERIOUS errors and flaws in the game, and with Jagex's constant attempts to sweep their mismanagement under the carpet. Customer Support by Jagex is ... ludicrous. It's almost completely automated (YES!! Jagex use bots too!!) and very easy to get an appeal approved [i won't say how, here]. 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