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=D> Very nice. I feel I'll come to this point at around 100DG.

Then... What is the C Maul for? :blink: Don't worry, I'll get my stuff straight well before I try to join a team. At this point I am familiar with the phases, just not all the specifics...

I don't want to spread misinformation so please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that having an entire team of 5 level 130+ members will basically guarantee getting a T11 drop. No one mentioned this though... But I've seen it pretty often, when even one person is 120 on a 130+ team the tier of the boss's drop degrades. This is of course not to say that you can't get a T11 drop on a team with slightly lower leveled players, just that higher combat levels help. On this one you can trust me, as I used to DG quite often with only friends, and it was basically the situation described above - 3-4 130s and 1-2 110/120 or so most of the time. Of course this doesn't help if the one you're trying to get the drop for is lower leveled, and this doesn't help you choose the boss... :mellow:

Okay guys it's basically like... 1. Get everything for the best Nex set-up possible that I can reasonably afford (this meaning bare minimum of supplies to get one drop) 2. Use that first drop money to buy many more supplies 3. Slowly upgrade my gear (I really want to go from ACP to Pernix Top, that's my biggest goal!) Now someone please tell me what SOLs are for? And do people use C Rapier at all? The Blood Phase, perhaps?

So... Deflector set-up is a no-go anymore? OR do I replace ACP with Karil's?

Do people not use the Deflector set-up anymore?

Even air is fired with deadly force from the Chaotic Crossbow. :shades: __ __ Actually, when I heard people say that players can't outdamage the Blood Phase solo, I wondered why they didn't step up to the good stuff, Dragon Bolts (E). I don't know what bolts people use there. I guess I can make up for that by saying that at least I've memorized the phases...

I'm serious about going to Nex within the near future. What are ALL of the different equipments I'm going to need? For example, I've seen people with Staff of Light in pictures. That's just not obvious, lol. I can list that I know I will need... Void Ranger Helm Void Deflector Void Elite Robe Void Gloves Armadyl Chestplate Ranger Boots Ava's Alerter Onyx Ring (I) Amulet of Fury Chaotic Crossbow Chaotic Maul Dragon Claws Ancient Ceremonial set Staff of Light (apparently!) Scroll of Rigour* Ruby Bolts (E)

Thanks. This sounds like something you have to do yourself to really know, I'll keep on the lookout.

Ah, thanks guys. I did think it would be a bit silly to do it everytime for every door... Err, there is a door I can picture pretty clearly, the key crafting one, where the animation appears to be the same as normal. What kind of sign should I look for on that one?

Is the 'tele trick' dropping a personal GS by your feet when you try to do skill doors? I didn't think there was anything more to it than that, but if there is, please tell me.

So the guy was having a brain fart and decided not to home tely? Err wait, did he do that to himself or did you guys do that to trap him after he refused to help? That kind of block can be pushed or pulled AFAIK. I know that 100+ DG does not breed excellence but it's still amusing that he has 3 binds and acts like that. In a related story: It was my friend and I and three W148 randoms. My friend was practicing keying and I was generally trying to assist him (this not saying that I'm too great either). There were quite a few doors that had to be boosted for but my friend was the only one who could grow the herbs so they were left until after the boss was found. Unfortunately, once the boss was found, all three randoms sat outside it and refused to help anymore. Now keep in mind this is now two people clearing most of the dungeon, meaning exorbitant time. After, say, 20 minutes more one of them says "Wish you would have taken the gs with you so that we could help" despite us requesting their help several times with no answer... The three of them pretty much just came along to eat the food... We only stayed because it was the last one we needed to get CCB and Spirit Cape, respectively. Completely unrelated: Steel Ceremonial Sword II

Such a beautiful misinterpretation of everything we've argued. I'm impressed. =D> The hexhunter bow is a niche weapon in that it cannot be used as the sole weapon of any dungeoneer. It takes practice to wield correctly. The same is true of just about any bind in dungeoneering. It is not a bad weapon by any stretch of the imagination. Clear enough? No. Can't I make snide comments without them being blown open? It was topical, anyway. At this point I am wondering why my use of niche was different. And why I have no post history anymore.

Not everyone is on the same page... :unsure:

Just as bad as all the other floors :thumbup: (guessing) Not really. Soulgazers are more common on warped than occult and more common on occult than abandoned. They're still very rare though, so it may not seem like much and the above isn't that far off base. It also depends a *LOT* on the number of 99 slayers on your team. If you dungeoneer with the same core group of people, you should check out their slayer levels. It's very helpful to have at least 90, because Blood Necklaces are a good item to bind and anyway Edimmus replace much more difficult monsters in GDs, etc. A little delayed but still thank you very much! Unfortunately I have access to only two friends with my levels who are able to DG with my consistently. At least one of them has 99 Slayer. I've been rather talked out of the HHB however. At the beautiful risk of inciting more violence it's apparently a niche weapon capable of use only by those extremely few pro DGers and yet somehow a piece of [cabbage] at the same time! Controlling self... I will probably end up binding a Blood Necklace since we all have 90+ Slayer, thank you.:) It's strange but I believe I've only seen a Soulgazer on floors in which no one can fight them without potions. A rarity in itself I guess...

Just solo it, it's not that hard. Thank you for completely devaluing whatever small achievement this particular endeavor was worth. It was for the task as evidenced by the picture. I don't wanna ever do that again.

Oh, I didn't know that actually, thanks. More incentive to get one E.

Duo trawler is intense.

Hey bud, that's not a good idea. If you give up your melee weapon for some fancy pants, you'll be leaving your teammates out in the cold when it comes to such creatures as -- . Unfortunately, the Hexhunter Bow isn't as accurate as it sounds, and although it may seem like there are many monsters it would work well against, this isn't usually the case. Also, being a bow, it has a finite amount of ammo, and I've found it runs out if you rely on it too much! Trust me, I have plenty of experience with it! ;)

Wait, so you're mad at me (and apparently some other people) for offering good advice on these forums? What? I could give less of a flying [bleep] how you decide to dg. I have a whole clan chat of people who are more than willing to learn, so you can be rest assured that my concern is with them, not you. All I can do is correct someone. What they do from there is their problem. You can correct people without doing it as you do, and yet I don't know if you're capable, as it seems being this way is so ingrained in your nature you don't realize how you're acting.

You can throw down your numbers and facts without throwing them AT me. This is far from the only situation and it's not just you but the people you associate and are associated with as well. It's not your problem, it's everyone else who wishes to play the game in a way you don't like.

Zalok reminded me that the MOTM conclusion is going to have a DG requirement and may well be released next month, so it has a pretty good chance of giving a bind slot if this one doesn't, and isn't too far off [hopefully].

Are you comparing boosting the accuracy of a hex to being completely sterile when dealing with anything with a little ranged defense, which happens to be a huge array of monsters in dungeoneering, as well as a good number of bosses? You would literally be completely useless against most monsters if all you had was a hex. I've used and tested my hex for nearly 30m experience. Unlike you, I have the experience, the knowledge, AND the numbers to back me up. Go ahead - tell me how you're going to deal with all skeletons, zombies, forgotten warriors, forgotten rangers, giants, high-level ghosts, hope devourer, thunderous, the skeletal archer, the skeletal warrior, gravecreeper, earth warriors, hobgoblins, etc, etc, etc. Then why don't you tell me how you're going to justify spending your team's money on fractite arrows (which are far worse than sagittarian arrows) from the smuggler when you inevitably run out of arrows on EVERY. SINGLE. FLOOR. Then tell me how you're going to be useful at all against Necrolord (the boss where a hex shines the most, arguably) with only 10 or 20 arrows left (definitely a generous estimate - using my hex maybe 40% of the time during occult floors, I usually get to Necro with around 80-90 arrows left if I'm lucky). You clearly did not think this through, did you? Once again, stop arguing with people who clearly have far more experience than you - not only in dungeoneering in general, but more specifically people who have HEXHUNTER BOWS. Tell you what - you wanna know what a pure hex setup would be like? Go bind a sagittarian shortbow and tell me how you fair. EDIT: Food for thought, but if you had a hex as your primary weapon, you'd be using the equivalent of a corpsethorn shortbow (that's t8) for most of the floor. PRO DUNGEONEERING RIGHT THERE. Actually, I realized about the time that I said about the ammo shortage and that one needs 101 Dungeoneering to actually get a Sag body. And then you brought it back up, and I started to empathize a bit more with the people (maybe just person... #-o ) that get pissed at you and your little entourage for constantly shoving reprimands down everyone's throats as if you and yours have some kind of monopoly on the thoughts and actions of the users of this forum. For all the good you do in improving people's play experience you do a [cabbage]load worse through your arrogance. Now... Deep breaths.

Please stop talking about using a hex as if you know what you're talking about, and please stop arguing with people who have hexes. I've had mine since 101 dungeoneering (110 now), and I can say without a doubt that I use melee the majority of the time. It's a niche weapon. It'd be better to use a celestial staff as your main weapon rather than a hex (fire surge with a celestial staff rivals a primal 2h on most monsters, being better than a primal 2h on some). Anyway, my current binds are a hood, prom 2h, hexhunter bow, and sagittarian arrows (p++). I will definitely be binding a sagittarian body as I key 90% of the time. At 120 I'll probably add a blood necklace to that, though I'd probably bind sagittarian chaps until I found one. Please stop talking about using a hex with a sag body and chaps as if you know what you're talking about, and please stop negating ideas that you haven't bothered to try because you're too arrogant to. Your buddy posted numbers that backed me up. Look earlier in the thread. You listen to numbers, right?

This. Either get a ely/divine and ranger boots. Or get a arma plate and void deflector with ranger boots. Definitely going to be the latter, but I wanted you to paste pictures on it :(