Drags8696

but the thing with void is that it has great range defence for mage robes so realy if your keeping meleers at a distance void is the way to go, but i use airms personaly because i dont have void (but im working on it) and i dont do alot of pvping.

im all for the "choice" and personaly i whould use it because i use profanity if i feel that i can use it to express myself fully in a given situation because profanity is just a grouping of words that society has labled as bad but they dont have any value other than what the speaker, or reciver, of the word gives them. to explain this concept im going to use another word people often hate to hear...noob. for example if i say to some one "you make me look like a noob." i can be using this word to praise some one but if i say "you are a noob." then i am using it to call someone infierior. while all words have a denotavie meaning that must be used to understand what someone is saying to you, the conotative meaning is more important in estabishing what is ment by its use by the speaker. finaly for those of you considering flaming me know this: yes i know my grammer and spelling is horrid but i dont care so deal with it and that I am a christian and have a strong moral base and i will argue this by those terms if forced to.

i think god spells whould defently make mage in f2p too powerful and also then f2p whould need blood runes and access to new areas of the wild so it defently wont happen. The spells are fine with the additon of telly block i think only armor needs to be updated and also if you use the rcing robes you might find you will do fine against meleers. i personaly have 70 def and 81 mage and i can still kill people around my level even when they are wearing d hide in f2p and while i havent done this in pvp i have in the duel arena and in clan wars. also if anyone wants to test this on me ill be happy to obblige just tell me your name and ill add u and we can set up some duels for testing.

im trying to get 80 att and def and also make some cash. if you have a suggestion plz post it here. im currently at green dragons but because i cant use the chaos tunnels the revs are a problem so plz dont recomend them. these are my stats...

hay im traing here atm and if you want i can get you a pic of the final bone you dont have and i can also log my trips for you too. pic of last bone: [img=http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq111/drags8696/bone-1.png] so far my best trip was 2 ourg bones and 4 fayrg bones in one trip and I've notice im averaging around atleast 2 ancesteral bones each trip. Also, ive notice that there are some other safe spots you didnt mention ill get you some pics of them if you want me too just ask.

forum name: Drags8696 player name: Drags8696 ps i cant figure out how to make it transparent.

i think u might be able to do it but you might also want to get 50 rcing and rcing robes which have better defence and also almost as good of mage attack as cb robes also, rcing robes have range def.

RS Name: Drags8696 Combat Level: 96 p2p Choice of Army: i realy dont care i can try to fit in where ever you need me. ps im not saying i can show up for shure because my life tends to have things happen unexpectedly so ill try to be there but if i dont you have been warned. also where are we meeting and are u guys usually in a cirtain chat?

The range factor is the exact reason i bring it. while the green d hide gives excelent protection against mage, it is very inefective against meleers and even worse agains rangers. while you can tank the meleers and with a high mage and def lvl hold off the mages, the rangers just seem to hit hard and fast nomatter what. personaly i think its worth it but its up to the player i just think that the use of rune should be mentioned in the guide especialy since the author says he has never tried other styles. ps: i have seen people who play using just green d hide and monk robes and i cant rember a time when i lost because they out ran me. this is because in f2p run will expire very quickly and i think people will notice that in fog there realy isnt much of a diffrence wether your carrying full armor or not.

althought i think no1 can realy make a true guide for fog this one isnt bad. personaly i carry my heavy armor in fog because it helps when you make, what i call, suicide bombs into the middle where u take damage and then run out to trick ur opponent. yes it hurts ur weight but you run will still run down very fast in f2p and if u use it only when u need to armor will help more than no armor. i take all 3 armors in f2p because i use mage on offence but use d hide and rune for def. also i didnt see if u mentioned that you realy should bring at least 2 diffrent attack styles into fog when u play. finaly for those of you saying well ur not very highly ranked in fog, thats because i got borred with it and if they ever make it where u can challenge people i will happly accept many of them. ps: i dont play fog in members because i dont like getting beat beacuse ive done less quest than ppl, aka ancients, or have less money, aka god sword.

all the gods give prayer points to all players not only their followers. there are many sara alters but also zammy alters,ex. the chaos alters are zammy alters, and there is even a guthix alter at the druid circle. ive never been there but the alters in god wars boss rooms might also represent those gods but im not shure as ive never been there. i think the symbols are similar because when ppl think of prayer they think of holy things aka saradomin.

well im back and for those of you wondering where i was i had life complications and now they are over for the most part. the main thing i whould like to say is that those of you that keep saying "i was f2p (insert statement here)" clearly have not fully read my argument. I admited that for a long time i had no problems with the bank sizes and infact ill admit that i was with the members and against more f2p bank space. Although that eventulay changed as i then memtioned. Also I know that my numbers are bias but i did acutaly look into it by asking people and also on past experience is how i got my data. Also i belive i did mention that this number chould vairy from being much less than i belived or much more than i belived but that depends on the player. Now there are some players out there who do one skill over an extended period of time and dont stop untill they gain 10-20 levels in that one skill, and yes i have seen people like this. Althougth i think it is safe to say that there are people who change skills after 1 lvl or less out there but for the most part people are in between these two areas and depending on where you fall will effect how much bank space you need. There could be endless solutions to this issue out there and my ideas are only one of these attempted solutions. P.S. yes i know i didnt add any skilling sections to my data but this is because for the most part when you skill you use about 1-3 bank spaces and then sell a product when done and while this may affect you for some time it is not a constant hinderance. also on the note of skilling tools, the main ones i used were wcing, mining, fishing, chisle(for those people who drop gems but want the exp.), and a random one that often varied(ex. tiarias, hammer, tinderbox, ect.) also i whould like to remention my idea about regainable droped random items. they whould work just like holiday events and i belive this whould help f2pers and members at the same time but also help some f2p with banking issues. f2pers try to keep randoms because they are the only real form of expression f2pers get. members wear quest clothes or expensive garments but other than trimed armor and holiday event items f2p has none of this.

trust me im being calm im just very passionate about this issue. as u stated pvp clan members use druid because it helps with binding and the combat is used alot by pker mages in f2p because it has def bonus and has the best mage stats in f2p overall, it is tied with druid. so if your a mage you might use these seeing as when you die they have a price value so you can keep 3-1 peices of it when you die. as for the arrows i have met lots of f2p rangers who used steel arrows when they chould retrive their arrows and then iron/bronze when they were using them. then they whould also keep addy in their banks for pking purpouses. as for armor and randoms yes you can wear them but you can only wear one at a time so just subtract 5 or 4 from my totals then if that whould pleaze you. as for the gop robes i have used them while pking because of their defence and also because the intelegent people out there dont attack me often because they dont want to fight a mage when they know the drop might not be worth the risk when they know they wont get any armor from it. also it seems that your are approaching this as if im saying that f2p banking is imposible to deal with and im not trying to say that what my main point is that it can be a hassle and frustruating at times like for me when i was in f2p and i just got back from a roach trip and had to walk all the way to the ge and back because i didnt have room for all my drops. finaly befor anyone decides to try to jump me on the issue of too many mage robes. there are people, again usually those in warring clans, who keep gop robes, drudric robes, and the origional mage robes in their banks because they may need them for different purpouses. gop for training so they dont have to play fog all the time, drudric for safe clan wars or clan wars that you want to risk it in, and regular for clan wars you cant afford to or do not wish to risk your other robes in. ps: sorry about my horrible spelling and grammer.

yes i know and i mentioned that. I didnt add raw materials in because they can varry exponentialy from player to player. some people keep it all and sell when they have alot others drop them or sell on the spot.

um yea in fog u can have the rune guatlets, rune berserker, cobat robes full, drudric robes full, tokens, green d hide coif. those are all the max items like i said i was counting. then with the armor personaly when i work on a skill i dont wear armor because it hinders my running ablity. also lots of ppl use iron, steel, and even bronze when they are ranging monsters in places where they lose the arrows or when they get them as drops. as for randoms i personaly had 13 of the 18 because i just ran out of room and i thought the frog stuff was stupid. why because those are the only fun close avaiable in f2p that u can wear when ur just messing around with friends. also i dont see what world u live in saying the gop robes are usless. i mean of corse they are in mems but this is f2p where they actualy have the best defence for robes, even protect from range, and are almost as good as fog robes. so have anything else u want to throw at me?

i never said need i said it can become an issue in some circumstances for f2pers. for some ppl banking may never be an issue for others it may effect them everyday. from what im seeing ppl who support more bank space have had these issues in the past or have seen it affect someone they know. the others seem to bee unaware of this event and i maybe wrong but i still think that it can be a hassle in many situations for f2pers. maybe instead of giving more bank space make random items like holiday items where u can get them back after u drop them. maybe that is an acceptable substitute?

the idea of sets had not occured to me so i will conced to the opposition for now.

true but im also not saying that you cant play f2p with its limited banks size im just saying it can sometimes be frusturating. I kept having problems while killing roaches because i whould bank the drops to sell later but i also had almost all the randoms in my bank as well because i enjoyed just going and messing around with friends.

thanks guys.

Now befor everyone who is a member starts calling me a traitor and flaming me hear me out ok. F2Pers have allways asked for more banks space saying that they don't have enought room but for the most part nobody ever showed proof or evedence to support their claims. Since I, myself became a member for the sole reason of bank space i have decided to take a technical view of this problem. First off let me start by saying that i was a f2per who didnt belive that f2pers needed more banking space for a very long period of time. I first started having problems after the fog and Security Center updates this past year. so now for the math... (note: i will say a grouping of objects then a number to note what i have seen to be the average max and mins of that grouping. it will be noted like this... object(#). This will be followed by an explination.) of the 60 spaces given to them f2pers us them to hold: Money(1) everyone has gp in their banks. Armor Melee(5) most players keep their armor in their banks even when they are training other combat types because they might want to change and not be delayed. they might also be in a clan. Armor Range(3-4) same reasons as melee armor. Armor Magic(2-3) same as melee and range. Common Items(3-6) these are items like pickaxes, hatchets, fishing items, ect. not runes, ores, logs, ect. People will sometimes take breaks to skill to make money or just for fun. Runes(6-9) Runes for telly's, alchs, getting magic up and even just keeping them from drops. Amulets(1-3) Amulets for diffrent combat skills. Food(1-3*) Food for training with or just to get cooking up. note the 3 is more noticed in ppl who are in warring clans. Weapons(3-5) weapons for training mage, melee, and range. Arrows(1-3) ammunition to train range with. Total -Min(26) -Max(42) Now alot of you by now are saying i just proved myself wrong and yes right now the numbers are agains me but did any of you notice what i forgot to add into my calculations??? RANDOMS thats right tons of f2pers keep their random gear because its the only intertaining clothes that they can wear other than those from holiday events they were around for, discontinued items, and nothing. So then i added that in... Randoms(10-18) Yes there are 18 total clothing items from randoms available to f2pers. Total -Min(36) -Max(60) But wait there is more!!! :thumbsup: With the updates of Fog and The Great Orb Project came new items for f2p so now back to the math. Fog(1-10) Most people atleast have some tokens from fog and you can get up too 9 more items, only counting the best shild and guantlets, that dont disappear after they degrade. Great Orb Project(0-5) I put zero here because admitable alot of people dont meet the requirements to play this mini game. so now for the totals again Final Totals: -Min(37) -Max(75) For those of you about to say well the minimum is so low so it all balances out. But what you dont see is that the people who, for the most part are in/near the min catagory are those who are new to the game so they dont realy have alot in the first place. Where as the higher levels and even the mid lvls are in or near the Max Catagory. Also its worth noting that i didnt mention ores, logs, cooking supplies, and other skilling supplies. Its also worth noteing that there may be players out there in f2p that chould legitamently need a 100 space bank especialy if they are in a clan. So does F2P deserve more bank space? Well i think so but im willing to listen to the opposition if they will listen to me. I think that, it might be a sloution to have more bank space rewarded to f2pers after completing dragon slayer. I've made my points now its your turn. What do you think?

i know and im asking how i can do things better in the future. so any suggestions?

thanks pyro. and i wont let it happen again.

woops my bad guess i clicked the wrong page i had both oppen cause i was reading a thread. can a mod plz move this?

just got borred one day wanted to see what ppl thought. post any coments.

personaly i completely disagree with this and if this were to happen then the trade limit whould no longer have a purpose. This is because real world trading was basicaly a item mall where u got bulk itmes and chould sell them then or use them and if jagex had the best prices, and they should cause they can make all the gp and items they want, then rwt whould be a bad investment for ppl. Some people whould like this but it realy serves no purpose in any mmorpg or anyother game other than that it just gives to the rw rich and not to the poor.