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rape culture is such a vague term that it effectively has no verifiable meaning. I can certainly agree that some things exist people might say constitute rape culture, but a whole bunch more are nonsense. also *ideally* is the key word, and I'm not sure it's realistic. as long as people have sex drives, there will be rapists

Do people with that mentality not recognize the danger they're putting innocent people in? Sadly I met a lot of people in college who didn't give a [bleep] about drunk driving. I think the Dunning Kruger Effect is in play a lot of the time here-- these people are so arrogant and lacking in self-awareness that they genuinely believe that they're capable of driving correctly despite being hammered. Unsurprisingly, most of those people ended up with DUIs by the time they graduated. Some even got multiple DUIs. :wall: i've seen this more with weed now than alcohol

i like michigan tbh, not like detroit, but i've been through a bunch of it. it reminds me of northern ontario, just american

Don't take this the wrong way, but what redneck-cousin humping-wife beating trailer park did you grow up in? That is seriously not normal at all outside of poor and uneducated places. What you describe basically sounds like Ricky from Trailer Park Boys. ehh a lot of people in the US are still poor and uneducated, so I can believe him, even if it's only anecdotal

ok, agree to disagree then

has anyone in this topic recommended "negging" women?

do you think consent is black and white in every scenario, practically speaking? I agree, but don't think it's anything new - it's a basic thing you teach your children, along with "don't bite", and "don't pull hair".

fair enough, but then what does it matter? if all the public signs are the same, is it meaningful that some people think about what they're doing, and to others it comes naturally?

again, anecdotal evidence. I have no doubt that some people, somewhere, think drunk driving is a-okay (in fact I've met one or two). But when you're describing a cultural phenomenon, it isn't enough to provide isolated examples, you have to demonstrate that a significant number of people feel this way DD is also not the best example, because it's a field where we've had legitimate improvements in science and statistics to make it clear that there is a problem. Some of that takes time to develop

I was not referring to simply a poster. Those are meaningless. I meant more ingrained such as what was included in the original sex-ed curriculum Ontario that begins to talk about consent at a young age to make it a regular part of life growing up. This can be substantiated by normalizing consent in other ways. even here you're using loaded terminology: "normalizing consent". Consent (in anything, not just sex) is already normal, and it already has been. That's what modern civilized society exists to protect - individual freedom to do and not do what you want I'm glad you agree posters are useless, I certainly see plenty of them on college campuses (supposed hotspots of "rape culture"). What specifically do you think is effective about ontario's former sex-ed curriculum that is likely to make a tangible difference?

Possible, but occam's razor applies here...if they are successful with women, it's most likely because they generally understand them

I don’t think you understand what we were discussingI dunno, I feel Ginger hit my point pretty square on the head. In any case, it looks like this conversation is heading in a direction I don't really wanna take it, so I'm gonna back out and "agree to disagree" as the saying goes. Don't you think it's a bit silly for Ginger to call it "obvious and reasonable" when it's only obvious and reasonable to you guys? If it were "obvious and reasonable" we wouldn't be discussing this. Given the fact that neither of you really responded to my clarification, I'm assuming you either more-or-less agree with me or you can't argue otherwise. If you're gonna agree to disagree, that's fine, but I'd appreciate it if you provided the rationale behind doing so. Was going to wait until I got home and could use a keyboard, but in short, I think there's a lot of unsubstantiated claims about how women think being made by individuals who have no authority to know how women think, which is what a lot of PUA boils down to imo.I mean, if they're getting results, then that's a pretty clear indication that they do (on average) understand women sufficiently to get laid

Do you suppose that many people who are willing to rape are going to be deterred by a poster saying to ask for consent?

I don't know anyone who was killed by a drunk driver, but I know better than to suggest drunk driving isn't dangerous. And you know that because it's strongly supported by tons of statistical data and research, which the scientific community more or less unanimously agrees withRight, and I'm also not saying rape doesn't exist - clearly it does. But the vast majority of people see it as a serious and perverse crime, which is not what would be expected if society supposedly sees it as normal I would equally say that it's obvious we don't live in a "drunk driving culture", the vast majority of people see it as immoral and it is regularly prosecuted as a crime with severe penalties

ahh yes because if you have the wrong organ between your legs, facts are no longer relevant. and in this very topic, you (presumably also a cis man) have been opining on how women think at great length

your anecdotal evidence isn't proof of a culture-wide problem. I can also provide anecdotal evidence that I don't know a single person who thinks being married means you can't be raped, or that people deserve the be assaulted because of the circumstantial particulars

Yikes. I mean, I could say the same thing if someone legitimately believes that rape is pervasive or normalized, at least in the west

Rape culture is imaginary anyway Also i find it odd a self proclaimed asexual is so eager to police other people's sexual interactions

typical libra

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I guess you should get out of this thread's Radius

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