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Or the universe could have been around forever, albeit through iterations caused by big bang big crunch cycles.Believing everything can be explained through the laws of physics(and the derived chem, bio, etc.) is not a disbelief. There are different forms of not believing in god some people simply believe it is technically possible for god to exist but dont believe he does, others believe devoutly that god does not exist. The first group is not truly a religion its in a word doubtful agnosticism of course everyone will have hardcore beliefs without proof, since the concept of god(a being who's existence cant be prooved or disproved) exists one inevitably has some nonempirical view of it.

I see where you're coming from, but that's the wrong way of showing that number because it implies that the 0's aren't infinite - they stop before the 1. 0.<--0001 is the same concept but it is mathematically possible, because the 0's run into the decimal point instead of an actual number. But doesn't the phrase infinite indicate that it will never, ever, ever, ever.... ever, ever, stop? You would never get to the 1, and therefore be left with 0.999... laura--how is .333... not a third of one? If I divide 1 by 3 manually I get .333... 10 cannot be divided into perfect thirds. Neither can one. 1/3=.333...; saying thats not perfect is a semantic debate. edit insertmynamehere--10x-x=9.999...-.999... leads to 9x=9 because 10 times anything minus the anything=9 times the anything; unless I am missing how that is being read your math teacher made some type of error.

I see where you're coming from, but that's the wrong way of showing that number because it implies that the 0's aren't infinite - they stop before the 1. 0.<--0001 is the same concept but it is mathematically possible, because the 0's run into the decimal point instead of an actual number. But doesn't the phrase infinite indicate that it will never, ever, ever, ever.... ever, ever, stop? You would never get to the 1, and therefore be left with 0.999... not to be a jerk, but your just not understanding infinity .999... indicates that the one never occurs because the 0's from subtraction go on forever. The one would appear after the infinite 9 but since you cant go past infinity all you can read the number as is 0.0... laura--how is .333... not a third of one? If I divide 1 by 3 manually I get .333...

I was about to post how noone actually worships the FSM when I read that first line, you got me. :lol:

[hide=] Didn't we state that .333... isn't 1/3 of 1? It would be 1/3 of .999... A mistake is a mistake.[/hide] .333...=1/3 of .999 and 1/3 of 1 dividing one by 3 manually results in an infinite amount of 3; therefore, .333 is 1/3 of 1 multiplying 3 by 3 yields 9 so 3*.333...=.999... since .333... is 1/3 of 1 and .999... is 3 times .333...; .999... must equal one because 1/3*3=1 the threes cancel so 1=1 true statement. edit--rocco thats incorrect .333...(an infinite amount of 3's) is the result you get when dividing 1 by 3; therefore, 1/3=.333... .999 is only less then 1 when using a finite number of 9's, the 1/3 proof shows that. 2nd edit--distributing the 3 through .333... yields .999...

This is going to end up being a logical stalemate. Atheists clearly have a flaw in the need for disproof which would be impossible, theists would need proof of a god which is also impossible, and agnostics will simply attack logical flaws in either argument. Specific religions will be discredited due to logical flaws in their doctrine. You cant prove or disprove god, so agnosticism is in a practical sense the only "religion" that is correct. Thats not to say a belief/disbelief in god is wrong, just not supported by anything besides faith or the lack there of.

Im surprised so many people are arguing against this; most of you are making legitimate points but why are there nuts arguing the fact that .999...=.999999999999999999999999999999999999(9's forever)? The very simple proof of this as shown in the first post involving no limits 3/3=1 3/3=3*(1/3) 1/3=.333... 3*(1/3)=1 3*.333...=1 if we distribute the 3 .999...=1 its true that for any measured amounts of nines there is a difference between the 9's and 1; however, when we say there are an infinite amount of 9's the two numbers are equal.

solanum kills all non human things.

yes, but with an infinite amount of nines the difference between 1 and .999... is a 1 an infinite amount of places to the right of the decimal. Since you cant go an infinite amount of places to the right you will only be able to read 0.00000000000.... forever; therefore, .999... is 1 edit--and what riku said.

what he said its a shame really communism should work, socialism should work, capitialism should work, but people mess them all up.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_einstein to paraphrase some hamlet "the fact you cant understand what Im saying proves its highly intelligent"

Whoa. Going all Big Brother on my [wagon]. I don't understand how people can think that would be better than what we have now - which isn't the best, but it's better ... Maybe people get all fluffed up and think they're the ones that will be these benevolent dictators instead of the slaves? (Not directed at you, a lot of people think that) If the entire human race was ruled by a benevolent dictator and no others, one person would get the benefits of a so-called perfect world. Man, that would really be lame. How exactly are we supposed to evolve and grow? I guess it depends on your outlook would removing freedom be good enough if it meant ending all suffering? if you think so then we would end up a la "Brave New World", if not then we continue what we are doing now for better or worse.

It's basically 1=9/9(fractional laws) =9*(1/9)(because 9*1=9, thus 9/9) =9*0.1111...(because 1/9=0.111....) 1=0.999.....(because 9*0.111...=0.999....) and you're correct; I left out a couple of lines; I'll just replace the first one with this one #-o ah, that proof makes a lot more sense now, confused me the first time I read it.

so just to clarify, god doesnt exist but he was spreading the jewish religion? If so, I give god credit for doing stuff while not existing.

sort of; since you cant actually write out an infinite amount of 9's any form of this you write out excluding the .999... as infinity notation will be less then one. With an infinite amount of 9's it does however=1

why would you want there to be more humans :shock: Interesting to see we are cloning such a managerie, I would love to see a human cloning soon all sarcasm aside.

no, the book claiming to show his existence was made four years ago. By that logic, The christian god did not come into existence until approximately 0 BC; or whenever the old testament was written if we choose to include it(due to differences between two books in philosophy).

yes to try to give the simplest explanation possible(look at proof 2 in the first post its neat) .9 is .1 away from equaling 1 .99 is .01 away from eqauling 1 .999 is .001 away from equaling 1 so an infinite amount of 9s would have an infinite amount of zeroes before a 1; subtracting .999... from 1 will give a difference of an infinite amount of zeroes. 0.000...=0 so 1=.999...

I like the second shown proof, and robert's method this was the second thing I learned in pre calc, right after there are more numbers between 0 and 1 then there are numbers in the series 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, .... edit-- another good way of looking at it is the fact that with an infinite amount of 9s the gap becomes infinitely small and is therefore 0

Very sadly, that is entirely accurate.

awesome, good to see what science can/will do.

Unless they intend to earn more money from selling the natural gas they wont have to use now.

all human systems over government are inherently flawed because humans are inherently flawed.

babies are born agnostic, you cant call them atheist when they havent thought about matters involving god. Site a legit source on the scientist and intelligence claims, I highly doubt both of them.

use the funds to build a few small villages into stable communities, continue building small good communities until it begins to improve the entire area. People give power to the government not the other way around. If the government gives people their rights, then the government is above the people. Human rights transcend government, law, and any other codes laid down by men. If you mean that the rights come from God...that's a different question. If the UN so wished, they could abolish the Universal Decleration of Human Rights. Does that not prove that the government is above the people? I meant universal truth, not god. To say government has more power then its constituency means a totalitarian government is the best as it avoids influence from the lesser group.