MisterGreen

Ah I don't really like that theme for some reason. The default Tip.It theme, when we were still on phpBB was pretty cool. Remember when you could change the color? I always had mine on "Mithril". Deflection ftw.

Make your presence known, advertise yourself, and lead by example. Be as charismatic as possible. Try to talk to as many people as possible, (In a confident, charismatic manner. But listen well to their problems, and be extremely polite, no matter what they say.) and listen to them and their problems. Once you have a general consensus on what's bugging people, Lay out what you can do for them, and what they can do to help. Be open, but most importantly, be honest, and do what you think is right. Know you can't please everyone, but try and find a middle ground or solution that most can agree on. Stick to your principles, and don't be intimidated by criminal threats. Make plans for the future, not just the present. Remember the past, and try not to make the same mistakes that others have made. *Anthem of [sUBJECT COUNTRY HERE] starts playing* ^This is what I would say to a newly elected leader of a country. But trying to be elected school president? Works just as well. Sort of. Maybe. ... Definitely not over-dramatic. Nope.

Size 13.

Countries should be working together for the common good and overall advancement of the human race, not arguing like children about who is a "super power" or not.

Moral decay.

There is already a feature in firefox that let's you view saved passwords. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/find-a-forgotten-password-saved-in-firefox/ This is just a slippery slope of the government slowly taking away anonymity from the internet. If they implement this and people get used to it, in a few years they could take it a step farther and no one would care. Then the process continues...

We can comprehend it just not in the way you think. You simply have to go beyond thoughts and ideas, you can not logically come to the comprehension of it. You have to go beyond logic. There is not much more I can say about this matter, if you want to find out more then I suggest you visit the following: http://www.youtube.com/user/Moojiji, http://www.youtube.com/user/adyashanti?blend=1&ob=4 If you don't want to then that is fine too. Both Mooji and Adyashanti are better at pointing to where I am trying to point. Anyways, thank you for the the conversation :) You're welcome! :) It was interesting debating with you. I may check those links...

What about it? All phenomena appear to exist because we are there to be aware of them. We ( our minds that is) are there to be aware of them because nothing/infinity/god is aware of our awareness... which is the nothing/infinity/god itself. Singularities are just another a form of this nothingness that was already there, always, for infinity. Actually, singularities are caused by supernova being sucked into an infinitely small space by it's own gravity, creating a black hole, a.k.a. a singularity. If we are a part of infinity, but cannot comprehend infinity as we are now, we are not truly part of infinity. Therefore we must be finite, and there must another type of infinity that created us. If there is no infinity, we could not exist, because by observing cause and effect, something must have created something else for it to exist. But infinity is outside of our understanding, and everything as we know it is a paradox. But just because we don't comprehend something doesn't necessarily mean it can't happen, or is a paradox. Perhaps our definition of infinity is flawed. If we cannot comprehend it, how can we know if we are right or wrong about it?

What about a singularity? Link. It's gravity is supposedly infinite, where nothing can escape it. Not even light. It's also infinitely small, with infinite density as well.

[hide] Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :) The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites. The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link "...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity. Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot. You are god then? I agree. No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious. Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead. Rude? Infinity is without bound, therefore it must be everywhere. Everything and everyone is god. So you are saying it is impossible for there to be an infinite amount of finite objects? What makes you say that? Explain to me how I am saying that. It is impossible to have a finite amount of infinite, and that is what you are apparently trying to get at by saying god is infinite, but you are not. [/hide] You are saying any object is infinite. If that is true, why can't humans comprehend infinity? It's because we are finite.

[hide] Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :) The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites. The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link "...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity. Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot. You are god then? I agree. No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious. Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead. Rude? Infinity is without bound, therefore it must be everywhere. Everything and everyone is god. [/hide] So you are saying it is impossible for there to be an infinite amount of finite objects? If there is an infinite being capable of comprehending infinity in all forms, what makes you think such a being couldn't create something like that? I realized one my earlier points about a never ending cycle is flawed. Why? because if we are truly a part of infinity, why can't we comprehend it ourselves? Because we are obviously finite. The only explanation is that an infinite being created us, finite beings. You say that infinity is everywhere. Well that explains omnipresence, which God is said to possess.

Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :) The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites. The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link "...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity. Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot. You are god then? I agree. No I am not God. Such a statement is foolish. I am obviously finite, possibly part of an infinite collective, or the result of an infinite being's will. That much is obvious. Or you couldn't think of a rebuttal, and decided to be rude instead.

Exactly. Now what was it we were discussing again? :) The origin of the Universe. Which I said was infinity, and you said was nothing. You implied that "nothing" is incomprehensible, just like infinity. Therefore it must be infinity. They are opposites. The definition of infinity is "(symbolically represented by ∞) is a concept in mathematics and philosophy that refers to a quantity without bound or end. People have developed various ideas throughout history about the nature of infinity. In mathematics, infinity is defined in the context of set theory." Link "...a quantity without bound or end..." The nothing you described is unquantifiable, and is therefore not included in the definition of infinity. Not to mention the fact you have no evidence to support your claim that everything came from nothing. I have stated that due to the nature of cause and effect, something must have existed to have caused something else. Just on an infinite scale. The concept of cause and effect can be comprehended, the infinite scale of it cannot.

[hide] Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else? ...because something can't come from nothing. It's physically impossible for something to come from nothing. Something must have always existed for it to come from something else, something beyond time, beyond our comprehension. Either that or there is an infinite cycle of causation. Either way infinity has to exist. And that something must have come from nothing. "Nothing" is also beyond our logical comprehension. "Nothing" is infinity, and that is god ;) Read the other posts I replied to yours. Nothing is a lack of matter/energy. Infinity is never ending matter/dimensions/energy/cycles of causation a/o a being. They're opposites, if anything. I can imagine and comprehend a vacuum. I cannot comprehend something that never ends. See, you can't comprehend nothingness... you see it as a vacuum, which is still something. How about infinite nothingness? A (True, not partial)vacuum is a part of a space which has no matter in it. It isn't "something" it's a word to describe the lack of any matter. I can imagine an atom. The nucleus, and electron cloud. Then I imagine it being removed. No atoms. Nothing. Infinite nothingness? I cannot comprehend it, because it's infinite, not because of the nothingness. We are talking about two different nothings here. You are talking about space which has no matter in it, I am trying to emphasize the nothing even beyond our comprehension of "space". Nothing had to be there for space to be there. As soon as you label "nothing" it is already only relatively true. Even "nothing" is a false label for nothing, there is no correct label for it. In essence an atom is as much as nothing as a vacuum. Infinite Nothingness is surely beyond our comprehension as well, thats why I gave up trying to comprehend it and gave into just experiencing it. [/hide] Space is defined as "the unlimited or incalculably great three-dimensional realm or expanse in which all material objects are located and all events occur." Link. If you remove space from something, no objects or events can happen/exist. It can't just have objects popping into existence, because it would cease to be nothing. If you have objects, space exists along with it, because space is just measurements of objects relative to each other. Obviously nothing (without space) does not exist, because objects obviously exist relative to each other. Or at least, in this dimension it doesn't exist. What you describe as nothing sounds like an "anti-dimension" of sorts... And yes, the nothing you describe cannot be fathomed by humans, because the very act of trying to imagine no objects or energy is something of itself. Our very existence makes nothing... Well, null and void.

[hide] Yes, because naturally if someone says god created everything you ask: who created god? The response I often get is "nothing". So to me it seems like the nothing is before the God. Like you said before, there doesn't have to be a middle man. It makes sense if something came out of nothing, but if you say something came out of something that came out of nothing...then why are you worshiping the "something" that in essence is nothing, like everything else? ...because something can't come from nothing. It's physically impossible for something to come from nothing. Something must have always existed for it to come from something else, something beyond time, beyond our comprehension. Either that or there is an infinite cycle of causation. Either way infinity has to exist. And that something must have come from nothing. "Nothing" is also beyond our logical comprehension. "Nothing" is infinity, and that is god ;) Read the other posts I replied to yours. Nothing is a lack of matter/energy. Infinity is never ending matter/dimensions/energy/cycles of causation a/o a being. They're opposites, if anything. I can imagine and comprehend a vacuum. I cannot comprehend something that never ends. See, you can't comprehend nothingness... you see it as a vacuum, which is still something. How about infinite nothingness? [/hide] A (True, not partial)vacuum is a part of a space which has no matter in it. It isn't "something" it's a word to describe the lack of any matter. I can imagine an atom. The nucleus, and electron cloud. Then I imagine it being removed. No atoms. Nothing. Infinite nothingness? I cannot comprehend it, because it's infinite, not because of the nothingness.