Erewhon2

Lol....I'm reading it :) I think that you raise an interesting point, but I would refer you to jrhairychest's post, which I think clearly defines the difference you are querying. Not so much about the 'clicking' as buying skills, all the faster for achieving a 99, without any real merit. I think this is reinforced by his statement "Was there really a need for Bandos/godswords?" these are now available making combat easier, rather than tactical improvements :thumbsup: So maybe we should be considering the balance between length of time to achieve something versus the actual skill involved (if there is any). I agree about the variety, this should be used to enhance the experience and the gameplay, rather than make things easier.

gummibear95.....honest answer lol! I do understand what you are saying, but the only way to do this would be do give you numbered choices i.e. 'X' that would make things easier. Difficult to know when to stop with things like that.

Est0rrath...... I agree with you and think it is a valid view. When things continue to get easier, Jagex have to come up with more things to aim for. This then result in exactly what you are saying. :roll:

The entire point of debate is to give an opinion #-o , I don't believe I have been insulting to you, just pointed out evidence that you have failed to read posts properly...as you have done yet again! And this is not immature or personalised? It hardly warranted a reply did it? :thumbdown: I will grant that there are degrees of easiness in some progress and updates from Jagex, but it is not necessary. But things like Revenants in the Wildy and high level agility courses (which I have already used as an example) create variety rather than making things significantly easier like the GE or noted crops :roll: Unbelievable! Yet again you fail to read the post properly! You said "I've mined my own ores many times - to save $$ and also for the "fun". So I looked up your stats because of the implication that you were an experienced miner. I then went on to say "everyone is entitled to debate, but usually only if they have something of value to contribute." which you did not. What is strange is that you actually say "You've said it yourself - anyone can debate", so make up your mind, read posts properly and stop contradicting yourself. :wall: Where did this come from????? I do not 'name call' unlike yourself, At no time have I put down anyone stats or skills, unlike yourself. I am sure there are people here with even lower stats than you, but who are able to provide stimulating and adult discussion to the debate forum, they may even still be playing rs fully, which was the point I was making. I do not judge a person by their rs levels, whereas you obviously do. :shame:

So now you personalise what is supposed to be a debate? Which is by the way: "a discussion, involving opposing viewpoints or opinions". As you confirm you do not have an opinion or unable to express one, you are not part of this debate. :-# What an extremely childish comment, I apologise if you are under the age of 16, in which case this may be more understandable. Its hardly opening up the debate is it? :shame: Did I say they weren't progress? No I didn't, I said it wasn't necessary to make things easier as part of that progress, you need to learn to read things properly before you dispute them. :wall: I looked at your mining level, need I say more? And I just don't understand the last point you made, I have to say that I am unclear how you feel experienced enough to debate at this level, of course everyone is entitled to debate, but usually only if they have something of value to contribute. I repeat that I think too many people keep asking for things to be made easier, maybe in the drive to achieve 99. I am concerned that Jagex are catering to this, I am asking people if this is this is what they, as individual players, want, if so why.....if not why not?

Ummmm.....am I missing something here? What is a developer blog authorised on the Jagex site? It is an employee of Jagex who is part of the game development team who....wait for it......develops the game! Presumably under the direct supervision and control of Jagex...correct???? #-o Because of this rather weak and inept statement, that does not support anything you are saying only emphasises an inappropriate attitude, I went back and had a look at some of your posts. And I have to ask myself if you are a historical (or should I say hysterical) pmod? Because you appear to be displaying those incurable symptoms of a :shame: Now I may have this wrong or be missing something. But there are a number of people who have supported the argument that pmods were (please note the past tense) all about the status. Why are you so stressed about reference to a particular person that has been used an an example? Other people have argued the point, but you have made no reference to them, while you are consistently regurgitating the same allegations. If you have an issue with the statements from Jagex (see my previous post), then take it up with them. Until then I am inclined to respond positively to their team statements rather than your aggressive harangues. :thumbdown:

I have to confess that I have not read all the posts in this thread, but I have kept track of the general discussion and some of the very personalised targeting! :shame: What I don't understand is the misrepresentation and lack of understanding that some appear to be demonstrating. Although jrhairychest opened the debate with some very pointed remarks, his continual debate (supported by others I might add) seems to have a clear basis that is now evidenced by Jagex: i.e: "Going from a team of several thousand moderators whove always been asked to concentrate on reporting things, to a team who focus more on community involvement, is no small task." (Mod Hohbein, author of the Jagex blog on volunteer moderators). I think this is very clear! Now why would anyone want to play a fun game like rs, then spend all their time reporting other players? What does that say about their personality? Their need to be 'better' or more 'superior' than others? I would suggest that some of you read and really take on board the significant and positive development that Jagex are trying to achieve and stop being so aggressively defensive about something that needed to be improved. :? My own experience of pmods is to sigh when the crown appears and be prepared for a patronising display of arrogance and egotistical, self indulgence. Before you shout at me....not every pmod is like this, but a very large amount are, hence my automatic reaction when I see the crown appear. :roll:

quelmotz.....First off that is not an opinion its just pointing out the methods that Jagex use...duh! And that was the whole point of the debate :wall: Yes Jagex do tend to make things easier with their updates, but its not necessary to do that as part of progress and developments, sure there can be benefits that give new skills etc. Like introducing summoning, but another development was the high level agility courses, which provided some variety at the higher levels and that is what is needed (as someone mentioned earlier). But things like rest stops, the GE and noted crops etc have made some aspects significantly easier. You say you don't support the game being easier...well do you have a godsword? Bandos armour? Do you buy your prayer pots or super restores? Give me an example of one part of the game that you have taken the harder option purely for the pleasure of it and not gone for the 'easy option' :roll: And I think Est0rrath is correct, those who go for 200 mill xp are very few in comparison to the numbers of members.

Ok lets respond to some of these points raised: Zamorakshadow....you did make a point or two, you appear to be fairly 'middle of the road' with regard to everyday skills, they shouldn't be too easy nor too hard, so not agreeing they should be easy at least. I do agree that the game would benefit from some harder challenges, but I think that should be in the skill development as well as for higher level cb and by Jagex keep providing better and harder hitting weapons negates any increase in cb challenges. So again I do agree there should be an improved balance. And btw, my point about biased was an 'unreasoned and predjudice opinion'. But since then you have given a much more thought out view point :thumbsup: Quelmotz.....I totally disagree with your assumption that progress automatically results in 'easier', this is not convenience foods we're talking about, but a game that is supposed to be stimulating and fun to play. As for the skillcapes...who here has not been asked "how u get?" "where u train dat"? "how long it take" and "can I do it in 2 weeks/3 days etc"? Lmao! I am not saying that things should not change, of course they should, we all want progress but not at the expense of those players who are actually over 10 yrs of age. I would also add that you have failed to give an opinion here, are you whinging or trying to say something sensible? :thumbdown: Est0rrath....good point, and we must remember Jagex is here for the money, so where is the line? Do you think it is too easy now? Swampjedi.....you have managed to make a clearer point. Question: Who here has a godsword? Bandos etc? If so, do you only use them with high level monsters? Does anyone challenge themselves to make things harder and maybe more interesting, or do you always go for the easy option? Lets have some honesty! :pray:

I think you make a really good point here and I agree about the variety, and also more stages of achievements at the high levels, people may complain its easier or harder, but I definitely think its worth considering :thumbsup: Well...Zamorakshadow, you have certainly portrayed your personality and game interest clearly here. You have presented a completely bigoted, egotistical and biased view point, based on the idea that combat is the only skill worth having. That hardly warrants debate space on wanting things easier or not! :thumbdown: Where on earth do you get the idea that updating skills automatically makes them easier? You want to make training easier? To what purpose? Its 'training' or if you play the game like I do, its part of the game and fun to do lots of things and put variety into developing the skills, not necessarily 'training', talk about blinkered! As for "getting the annoying 99 cape"....so you don't want a cape and would never wear one if you achieved 99? Yeah right. The best you could come up with is gravestones making it too easy. I would suggest going away and having a sensible think about what you want to say before posting, this makes no valuable contribution to the debate. :wall:

The price of raw against cooked is due to players wanting to achieve their cooking cape the easy way, hence the downgraded status of the cooking skillcape (also in another debate) I don't understand why people cannot be honest about their opinions and have a true debate, if you want the game easier, say so and tell me why :wall: As for Swampjedi....I don't understand your point, WOW is an entirely different game, with no relevance, similarity or links to RS. Are you saying that the game should or shouldn't be easier or more convenient? Do you think Jagex have gone too far?, what is next....sending the butler out to collect all construction material? Mining 3 or 4 ores at a time? Being able to cook from noted lobbies? :shame:

I was tempted to initially put this in the 'Rant' section, but decided to open it up for debate......should be interesting lol. I have been reading a number of the debates going on on Tip.It, and what strikes me is how easy everyone seems to want the game to be. Whether you are complaining about how much hard work it is to achieve a skill cape...well duh! Thats why its an achievement cape. And a huge amount of debate over the GE, price manipulation and merchanting....and yes I am aware there is a difference, and so what? Its there, its happening, live with it....so it makes the game harder, its not against the rules and at least makes buying and selling interesting. So what if raw lobbies are more expensive than cooked ones? Catch your own if its a problem. :shame: Praise to farmers before crops could be noted! Praise to merchanters who made money before GE! Praise to agility skills before the ability to have rest stops. Praise to thieves before Pyramid Plunder (which serves no real purpose except to achieve 99 faster)....can you see where I am going with this????? Even the ectophunctus automatically refills when you tele....how many times have I forgotten to do that and sworn about it, but it was part of the fun. Now it may be that some of this is covered elsewhere, but there appears to be some commonalities that deserved to be brought together, mainly people who cannot be bothered to enjoy the game for what it is. My point is that Runescape is a great game, but there appears to be a lot of players demanding that it is made easier and easier. I disagree with this and think that Jagex may have already gone too far. What do you think?