well, so I finally figured out how this works, or rather, had an afternoon with little enough to do that I could spend the time figuring it out. Basically, i've recently had one of my weeks were i'm a tag disgruntled with RS for various reasons, mostly the fact that its really depressing getting all these levels AGAIN. and then hearing sob stories of people who lost 20m worth of items to hackers. AT LEAST THEY HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS. /rage As a consequence i've now reloaded up all my old art software, namely, terragen, L3DT, and Paint.net (I know its not as powerful as photoshop or GIMP, but it does everything I want it to). This led to a conversation with an old friend, who wanted a quick siggie for his gaming community, centered around flying games/sci-fi, so I hopped down to good old planet render, and grabbed a fairly cool looking jet thingamy (looks fast to me, thats about as much as I can say). played around with a few things, found a couple of brilliant plugins, messed around with them and got to a stage where I kind of liked what I had. so I showed him, and he went ballistic. It REALLY wasn't that great. Have a look for yourselves. http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/ehlanatorne/sig1.png so now I'm waiting for the render on a red sunset on a cloudy day mountain, using the heightmap from the local geography nerds website I picked up a while back. I'll post a little linky to that aswell later, but for now, I'm going to go and make dinner, chicken chow mein, nice and simple, tasty, and quick. for those who earned it, incendia , unda , terra quod aer vadum non subsisto vos