This thread is stupid, Honestly i don't even think you should post here unless you own a chaotic weapon. Most of this is just mindless speculation wrapped up in blotched mathematics. I just got a cls and i do not think it is a waste at all.. I was just soloing bandos today guy with rapier got maybe 2out of 10 kills againts me... i admire the speed but when that blade on my mighty longsword comes down even though it may be a second slower i can almost always expect it to shred my enemy.. DElivering a blow that is undoubtedly MORE ACCURATE AND POWERFUL than the CR And that is why i value CLS over rapier. I know at some point i am going to need rapier for slayer.. but right now CLS is the apple of my eye When you think about it.. The only damn thing CR has over CLS is Speed THATS IT i see everyone saying based on if i monster had 0 def rapier is better.. What if a monster had 1000 def? woudld you really want to take that toothpick into battle? Rapier is not doing [cabbage] my whip already cant do, And thats official.. This is staycw and i approve this message :grin: