Drumgun

Except half my playtime has been spent at castle wars...some people tend to forget I gained nearly 2b exp in 2 years lol, not even training fastest skills. So anyway, I should be higher on that list if it wasn't for overall exp/total playtime, seeing as pretty much no other player on that list has spent so much time playing minigames/other activities than I have, certainly not the very top players. Whoever called the list meaningless is right. ;) Edit: Look at Zarfots minigame highscore, that should prove my point. All his playing hours have been focused on skilling, and I'm pretty sure he has used the fastest exp way for every skill too (not everyone can do that). That's why he's at the top of that list. Edit2: Older players' disadvantage? LOL. Sure they had more limited resources (prayer being an extreme example), but they also had very cheap partyhats and whatnot. Most hung onto 1 set atleast, that's basically a free 2b starting capital. Big advantage there if you ask me, they could just use that to merch and afford buyable 200m skills easily, which makes up for their slower training methods in the past. Delta 81 would be a good example of this, he just didn't play at all except when coming online for a few minutes to merch with his (easily?) gained money stack, and just nolifes a buyable skill once he has enough money/bought all the supplies for it.

I think he just means that he is the next in the next player with the xp over Elvis/Telmo to get be getting 120 dungeon. Seeing as Jdela has 76m dungeon and assiwat only has 10m. So at the current rate he will be rank 1 over all, until Aasiwat gets 120 dungeon, or Elvis/Telmo throw down some huge xp gains before he hits 120. Ah lol, yep you're right! Thanks for clearing that up, and sorry lol still used to highest overall exp = #1 overall XD

Jw, why is Jdela deemed as future rank 1 overall already? He doesn't play that much, doesn't have many easy exp skills left, and yeah personally I find Aasiwat a better overall skiller. He's already struggling to gain exp on Aasi as it is, wouldn't that only get worse once he has to move onto the harder skills? Or did I miss something like Aasi quitting and Jdela announcing that he's planning to become best nolifer 2011 lol XD? Thanks for the update :)

Awesome, thanks a bunch :)

Lol you're right I guess, I do things MY way which is quite an unusual one XD - it doesn't involve the most efficient way or max xp/h at all sometimes. However, I'd appericiate it if a few peeps could stop painting me off as an afker lol - seeing as I've done non afk skills for atleast 2 years straight. I had my own way of setting up my hunter box formation which was more efficient than any other setup - seeing as I gained 150k hunt xp/h with chins sometimes (this did require 100% attention). Moved onto combat after that, I never afk'd this either unlike some people do at abby demons/az. As for Langers comment about slow and fast streaks, I've always worked hard for 18h a day, I just didn't train the fastest skills and I didn't exactly use the fastest way to train them either. You can be as efficient as you want at abby demons but the exp just won't stand out, no matter how long a day you train there. Having done some sw while going for 200m str, sure, to the common eye it might seem that I was having a slow streak, but I was just gaining zeal at that time, still working just as hard. Wc is a 'break' skill, I'd rather take it easy and still gain exp instead of taking it easy and gain no exp at all. Imo, THAT'S efficient to me. Some people take a break and go play/do something else, not playing rs at all when they do that, probably the guys who are all about the max xp/h and most efficient ways to train a skill haha. At such times I'm not gonna stress that I'm not clicking the next ivy straight away after I cut one down lolol :smile: . Basically comes down to the quoted comment: 'That being said, whatever he's doing, it's working.' :shades: Alot can be said about the 'How to lead your life' subject, but seeing as there's several sides involved in it and none of them are gonna change their view on it, it's a pointless discussion lol. Just mind your own business and don't critisize others I'd say, and go back on topic amgggg! Was a serious pain reading through them new pages loll XD About them cave crawlers, how much range xp/h would that be using void deflector + arma plate + void gear and ccbow/broad bolts, cannoning them? Hoping someone has a rough idea so I won't have to go and try it out myself *lazy* \:D/

Awh >.< thanks! Langer sniped the very last spot off my fl I'm afraid - can't delete any of them atm. I'm rarely on here, but if you ever wanna talk/ask something just drop me a PM and I'll try to answer asap. :) Be off for other stuffs now though, take care everyone! :thumbup:

Hi mate! Thanks :) and omg we've yet to dung together - sorry about that lol. Did see you online quite a bit but didn't feel like dunging on any of those occasions *lazy sigh* :shame: . Anyway I've noticed that hehe, I'm pretty interested in maxing out the top half board of the highscores, simply because 13 or so 200m's in a row would look cool XD. Uhmmm it's fine if Telmo or whoever surpasses my amount of 200m's for now, and then yeah well, will still be on top in the end I guess because I have quite a few easy xp skills left to train while Telmo/Elvis are running out of them. But anyway, will deffo pm ya one of these days and dung it up, maybe even today depending on what the missus is in the mood for hehe (if you're up for it aswell that is :P). Cheers, keep up the good work with them weekly updates! :)

Dear Squisher, My condolences to you. I know that Zarfot was your favorite player, and it must have been an absolute shock for you to find out about this. In fact, I'm surprised you're survived that shock! Just letting you know that I fully understand what you must be going through right now, so if you want to talk about it then I'm here for you man. You just gotta stay strong man, just gotta stay strong...alright peace. OT: Nowaii man, I heard Zarfot quit for Conquer 2.0 which is releasing a new class (Monk) soon. Also, I think we can all agree that effigies ruined the game for many people (including me) unless you're an EasyScaper :thumbup: runecrafters only being a part of that list , and it's also funny that this subject has come up now that Zarfot has quit while this has honestly been going on for a long time already lol. P.S. Hi y'all! How have ya been doing? Been awhile init :P Edit: OH YEAH, it's also a sad time for people who love Runetracker - since it now takes them over 9000 years to remove people with fake records, then once they do remove them it takes less than 9000 seconds for another fake record to show up, then they take over 9000 years again to remove THAT one. Aka, exp records have lost alot of their value aswell now. :thumbdown: hi, and are you still playing rs 18-19 hours / day atm? your exp gains are low, or are you destroying a minigame to snatch later a record with zeals? Hi u! Yesss still 18 hours a day, just not into records at all atm. There has been a big war at sw so I've been doing that for awhile yeah, also bandos and corp (never gone there before but gotta learn some day, right?) Well anyway, obviously not doing any records atm haha - as stated in my previous post they're making a right mess of it, neglecting Runetracker + yeah, not alot of skills hold alot of value anymore so it's just wait and see and yup, just trying to enjoy playing atm. Could pretty much say 'all in due time', except that time may never come if Runescape continues to lose its unique difficulty/achievement rate. There's more important things in life than mere pixels, after all. Gonna work on getting rid of illness soon, after that then there's alot of roads for me to take and none of them include nolifing Rs if you know what I mean XD. That's about it! :)

Dear Squisher, My condolences to you. I know that Zarfot was your favorite player, and it must have been an absolute shock for you to find out about this. In fact, I'm surprised you're survived that shock! Just letting you know that I fully understand what you must be going through right now, so if you want to talk about it then I'm here for you man. You just gotta stay strong man, just gotta stay strong...alright peace. OT: Nowaii man, I heard Zarfot quit for Conquer 2.0 which is releasing a new class (Monk) soon. Also, I think we can all agree that effigies ruined the game for many people (including me) unless you're an EasyScaper :thumbup: runecrafters only being a part of that list , and it's also funny that this subject has come up now that Zarfot has quit while this has honestly been going on for a long time already lol. P.S. Hi y'all! How have ya been doing? Been awhile init :P Edit: OH YEAH, it's also a sad time for people who love Runetracker - since it now takes them over 9000 years to remove people with fake records, then once they do remove them it takes less than 9000 seconds for another fake record to show up, then they take over 9000 years again to remove THAT one. Aka, exp records have lost alot of their value aswell now. :thumbdown:

I say stick to rc for obvious reasons :lol:, gl with that though!

Silly, you're forgetting about Skiller 703 LOL Dw lol I didn't forget :P he's not listed as a top player yet on here, but he's close for sure :grin: That looks very nice Assassin! Would be cool to see someone follow those exact steps :P Edit: Woah, the dragonkin lamp skill will deffo make an impact then - but 30m still seems a bit too less to make an impact. :)

Very insightful post /end sarcasm I don't think it will be zarfot. Even though most are rooting for him, you have to take in account most of his 200m skills are in buyables and quick skills, while others like suomi and drumgun have their 200m skills in slow and tedious skills. Zarfot doesn't play as much as them, and will probably fall behind by the end of this year I think. Not that i want one or another to be first, but the natural course of skill its that they become easier and faster, so i do think doing the slow ones now may be kinda of a waste of time. Because imagine that some new method of fishing apears that is 50% faster than the current one, Zarfot could then more easily and with less time achieve 200m on fish. I respect both of them, but i think the smart move is doing the fastest ones already first. ^This <_< was purely focused on all melee skills on first page perm, which are fully taken up by now so no one else is able to get on there. And yeah, would be pretty boring if everyone took the same road towards succes too :P That might be true, but effigies will only cover about 10-20m exp per skill? So even then he will still have a long while to go. (excluding the dragonkin lamp skill) Bots don't camp butterflies. It's because hunter is considered the most tedious skill besides rc. Butterflies are annoying to catch all the time and chins require 100% attention. This also reflects in the stats - none of the top players have high hunter exp and is even the lowest exp skill for some. Hunter is terrbily overestimated because of decent exp/h, but I believe that it will be a big problem for most of them to train to 200m.

Bit ironic that someone with 2b+ exp is making that comment :P Anyway, it's easy to pick on people that are open. We all have good and bad sides, so of course the bad sides show aswell then. It's just a shame that people decide to judge on them while they have their own flaws aswell, oh well. Last time Aasi and I spoke was in a good fashion, he knew about my hours a day already and was cool with it, so it's quite weird that he's flaming me all of a sudden with nothing that happened in between (not directly atleast). Asked what's up, no reply as of yet. Anyway, let's not discuss this further or continue in PM if you must. This subject doesn't belong on this thread ;) (Deyan, Squish and Peregrin, drop me a pm if something is still up). There, problem solved! On with the thread@@@! XD

He did take a 3+ years break at one point, hard to call that consistent XD Anyway Langer, are you planning to train dung anytime soon? Looked at your stats sig and it made me wonder haha :P

Oh and before I forget, some people do tend to get arrogant the higher up they go in ranks/levels. Having bad social skills goes paired with this, they think they won't have to confront others and instead they can simply be rude or ignore the person who is talking to them because they feel they're better than that person. Actions include oh I don't know, deleting a person for no reason while everything was going ok? Or, delete a person without discussing when something petty is up. Hint hint wink wink. That's why I prefer to hang with normal people anyway.

The wording is not clear for this section of text. Upon reading through it, it is unclear what exactly Drumgun means. When you exploded at squisher for asking for clarification, it appeared that you thought squisher was in fact thinking that zarfot was claiming to be able to pull 300m/month xp rates consistantly. That you could even think squisher meant this suggests that, in your mind, there is reasonable doubt about how other people could interpret this quote. I'd like to settle this too. This whole paragraph looks clear to me, but maybe only because I understand Drumgun's mind better than you guys. His first sentence is sarcasm, like most of the paragraph, where he is "raging" that people only think his Overall records(created from stored Summon and Str Xp) are important and that the other 7 skills that he has #1 month(and sometimes week) records in on Runetracker are not as important. He goes on to comment about how Zarfot and Telmo gained the same amount of Overall Xp with fast Xp/hr as he got with slow Xp/hr in the same long-term time. This would mean that if Drum had done fast Xp/hr skills, instead of those slow ones, he could easily surpass all of their gains because his entire past was full of mostly slow Xp/hr. Also, he goes on to say that he managed all of those records and his whole Xp gain over the past few years as being CONSISTENT WITHOUT A SINGLE BREAK. He is upset that you guys don't understand what really should be valued with his achievements. His Overall Runetracker record is merely one of his records. His biggest record is maintaining 18+ hours/day for over 3 years now, EVERY SINGLE DAY. That is what should be respected, not some [cabbage]ty Overall record with a bunch of stored Xp and hard-to-calculate Xp/hr, and thus, time spent. So when Squisher went to comment/troll thinking that Drumgun was saying he could maintain 300m Xp/month, he had completely missed Drumgun's point. That is what this whole argument has been about. @Peregrin, I don't see where Zarfot comes into any of this except as an example comparison used by Drum. Hopefully, this should settle this argument and we can get back on topic. If not, you'll just have to wait for Drumgun to return to confirm what I'm saying lol. Hooray for Jeb :D tired of arguing, let's just get this over with and say 'omgz0r hard to detect sarcasm over zhe 1nternetz' and pretend that you weren't trying to get under my skin. :) Though Mat is right about that, if I do the fast buyables that I have left IN A ROW, then I could rake in a whole bunch of exp in a few months again - but that is irrelevant to the point. My 300m overall record was being used to determine consistency while it's the only thing that isn't consistent. Instead, while not as impressive in number, the exp of my other records all hold a 18h/day exp value. Seeing as those skills are the only ones I've trained properly and I don't get bored, I could direct those hours a day on any other skill. That should've been looked at to determine consistency. Seeing as I'm only getting involved into the thread to start an argument, I'm seriously considering to stop posting here. It does take time to type, and seeing as most of my serious posts get ignored/half read, I'm gonna pull out a standard quote. "I'm a busy man". Have fun and keep ignoring the facts :thumbup: , lololol.

You don't know what those people are doing while playing Rs. I know it doesn't go for me for one, pretty sure other top players are working on something else aswell (I hope atleast, lol) but yeah, not all lol so I guess you're right when it comes to those. Also, how do you know that Zarfot is building a future? He has college yeah, but I believe most top players have an education/diploma already, so that is kind of obsolete. At first glance it appears he only goes to college, then does Rs all day (or most of it, homework + those vids he makes) when he gets home. Why? Well, there wouldn't be much time left to have a job. Not concluding anything, but you seem to be so sure - I'd like to know why that is. :wink: And I know Arb lol :P you're right about that.

Yes, because obviously summon and 50m str are the only skills I trained, the other month pure, non exp boosted records with a 18h/day value don't count because they're not as impressive and should just be ignored. Oh yes and let's also not count that I still gained as much exp as Zarfot and Telmo even though I trained much slower exp skills and was actually still getting 99's too. That's how you get a perfect and not biased result. The fact that I did all of these things in a row without a single break also says nothing. Nothing consistent about that. @Storm: It's true that I get the most exp in the long run in any skill that I train. So, that gives me 2 options: I could keep this pace up and be the first to 200m all skills with flying colours, OR I could get rank 1 exp first, build a decent lead *got range fm craft fletch thieving etc left to do this*, then turn into one of them efficient guys once i fix my health and train the same hours/day they do, pick up pace whenever they speed up too. I'd like to see SUOMI get it though, but if that doesn't happen I might just get it instead since I'll be pretty close either way - cuz it might not be my goal, but I might still get it either way. THOUGH, this all depends on how the irl stuffs work out. :)

My list is based on facts, not on ego or personal preferences. Examples: It's a fact that long consistent days fetch more results than short efficient days. It's also a fact that everyone can do short efficient days but far less people can do long consistent days. But you're right, some people might see it differently, however, the fact based view is the correct one. And point understood in the general meaning, but that last part did look personal due to the details, that's why I commented (yeah, everyone uses the number 19.5 hours to make a general statement...>.>....). Edit: Not entirely well-rounded Obt, look at their minigame ranks. Those are part of the hiscores too now ;) I have to admit, I'm intentionally picking on you =/ But I'm curious. I don't think it's a matter of facts but values. That is choosing which facts are more important. In your example you neglect many other factors that make someone really good at the game, for example, total playing time to total XP ratio, real life facts as in simultaneously getting a college degree, working a job, etc. etc. Those facts you seem to neglect. Part of RS for me and many players is the aspect of balancing time away from the computer to time on the computer. You do this to some degree, but it seems like you largely ignore it when figuring out what it means to be the best or #1. You only take into account 1 number, the overall XP number, and neglect all of these other numbers and factors that still are facts. Lol, no? Real life facts - I have to deal with those things all the same, and if you're talking about that then how about I bring my illness into the mix for example (my choices are far more limited than any other top player). The more facts I'll add in the more impressive my achievements will get while the achievement of others rises aswell of course, but it balances out at the very least. You're the one trying to draw full pictures now without knowing all of it. You cannot take everything into account, otherwise everyone would be pointing out every little thing. Some things should just be left out of the equation - only the most related facts are used. Edit: Indeed Aasi, besides that she hasn't gained exp past 100m for quite awhile so Seer, you're probably gonna have to wait a whole lot more haha :)

My list is based on facts, not on ego or personal preferences. Examples: It's a fact that long consistent days fetch more results than short efficient days. It's also a fact that everyone can do short efficient days but far less people can do long consistent days. But you're right, some people might see it differently, however, the fact based view is the correct one. And point understood in the general meaning, but that last part did look personal due to the details, that's why I commented (yeah, everyone uses the number 19.5 hours to make a general statement...>.>....). Edit: Not entirely well-rounded Obt, look at their minigame ranks. Those are part of the hiscores too now ;)

If it was so general then my exact playing hours and exp value/day shouldn't have been used. In that case, it becomes a personal refferal. Either way, point is still valid.

To Drumgun, Jebrim, S U O M I, etc. I tend to sympathize with thoughts like these. There are many expectations that society places on us; most of us are indoctrinated from birth (like many religions) to develop a biased palette of expectations. We expect people to get an education, get a job (maybe even one that we like), make money, spend money, and traverse through our existence that way. It keeps the economy rolling. So when someone comes along and says, "Hey, I can survive without a job. I can consume less (or whatever) and live in a sustainable way so I won't need a job and can consequently use that time to do things that I actually want to do," it kind of makes sense why it's frowned upon, not even mentioning that what they want to do is changing a bunch of 1's and 0's on a computer server. In my opinion, if you can do what you want to do without having a job or being a leech to society/other people, then great. That's admirable in my book. And as far as changing a bunch of 1's and 0's on a computer server, isn't that all we are doing in real life anyways? It seems bleak, but the facts are that in a few hundred years almost all of our lives won't really matter anyways, and in the span of thousands, millions, or perhaps even billions of years, I would wager that what we do with our lives is of any importance, unless you of course believe in a fairy tale where we will all be with "our creator" worshiping him for eternity and somehow be happy, but what we do in this life determines our afterlife with that or cooking marshmallows (hmg marshmallows!) deep in the earth's crust for eternity (which helps explain why so many people can believe in fairy tales like that). I digress... Anyways, props to you guys in a way for trying an alternative lifestyle that few are brave enough to do/risk. Although 10+ years of planned things does seem a bit too ambitious and being really open and looking for acceptence and support is a bit too much, for my taste anyways (not that all of you are though). Also, this kind of addresses feelings I had during earlier posts, but I tend to admire and strive to be someone who averages 6 hours a day, but plays so efficiently (efficient skill order, money making techniques, good multiskilling) that they get 10+ hours/day (quasi-arbitrary number) worth of experience rather than someone who plays 19.5 hours a day but get 14 hours/day worth of experience, or whatever. Sure it's amazing that you can sit in front and move pixils around for 19.5 hours a day, but that certainly fails to me my criterium of a top player when you waste so much XP by not training skills efficiently and in poor orders. Sure that's the way you've elected to play, but it's not efficient and not the smartest competitive gameplay option. "Hai my naym is jojoe and I'm going to get 200m slay by skipping all tasks but rats and training with a bronze dagger. I'm going to train for 24.001 hours a day to prove I'm the best." Now argue damnit. Nice contradiction in there. The people who play efficiently aren't doing anything useful/productive at the same time (besides playing rs, I mean). Only a biased mind could state that, because 14h still owns 10h. And if you're really okay with/admire people able to survive using alternative methods while playing 10h+ a day bla bla bla, then it shouldn't matter to you either in which manner a person achieves their things. But ok, I'll play along... http://runetracker.org/records Please tell me where your oh so efficient players feature on there. Not at the #1 spot, I can tell ya that much lol (Suomi = exception). Anyone could get lucky with Runescape (returning to rs after 5 years with 100 phats from back then in your bank for example), and easily get #1 - doing all of the easiest and buyable skills, merching with the money that got handed to them while not spending that much time on the game, obviously. Anyone could play efficiently for awhile per day too. What defines a true #1 is the manner in which they achieve things (consistency and as many hours a day possible, with very little resources compared to the competitors). Maybe you should try 18h for a month straight for starters and see how commonly and low-level it apperentaly is according to you. Trust me, you'll be running back to your much easier 6h efficient playtime a day in no time. Lastly, it's not up to you to determine people's goals. My goal was to get #1 summon and get god-tier exp records, not to go for all 200m skills. Training the way I did was the only way to achieve it, because I came from way behind, had to start from scratch, and haven't had a single favour that aided me towards this goal. The way I achieved THIS was done in the most efficient way, so your last line about the bronze dagger thing doesn't make any sense whatsoever either. Anyway, just quoting you for a sec. ''We expect people to get an education, get a job (maybe even one that we like), make money, spend money, and traverse through our existence that way. It keeps the economy rolling.'' You're just one of those 'We's', because you use the #1 overall and first to all skills 200m as your base for being the best like most people do, while that is not the only path to choose from to become the best. Thank you for your post.

Thanks! Sorry for double post, but it appears we posted at the exact same time haha. I prefer to keep my public chat on so that I won't be ignoring people that are talking to me. However, that gets a bit hard if you're a top page player (the better ranked the worse) because you get piled hard by noobish noobs who don't look further than the first page overall exp asking/spamming you with all kinds of dumb questions that they could easily find the answer to elsewhere. And I got a bit sick of people asking me why my farm level is only 69, so I figured I'd get it to 99 because there's dung now to prevent me from being first page overall. And since that's in its beginning stages, people won't ask me the same question seeing as it's only natural that dung isn't maxed yet because it's the new skill and all. Besides that, 69 is a nice number ;) <3: Lamps go on prayer/slayer.

Indeed, I'll bump up my post that got ignored in the dungeon glitch flood. Watch out for S U O M I, he's picked up a very fast pace in the last few days and could max out mining as soon as early next week. Being a slayer fan myself, it's also nice to see some top players training that skill aswell ( Balmung Pro, Zarfot, Jdelacroix, Drumgun, Lan and Kingduffy) with Balmung Pro closing in on 100M xp slayer. The collateral XP gains in effigy skills are also fun to watch, this will give slayers a headstart on difficult or slower skills (RC, Agility, fishing) Like slayer eh? you REALLY missed someone on that list: Tezz 100mil slayer, 2 200mil cmb stats, "only" 1.4bil total exp, but training cooking like a mad man and is soon to be 1.5b I think Tezz is gonna stay at the top for a loong time. Not mad, that's how a decent player normally gains their exp (cooking in this case). But granted, he does have alot of easy skills open. So, if he wants fame and fortune (cough) he could/will probably go for those, but will end up as yet another exp prod which are overcrowding the top ranks as it is already.

Yeahhh, got 99 farming earlier today incase anyone is interested. :) Top players training slayer now is only natural Langer. As I said before, it is now the easiest way for them to gain good exp due to effigies. I'm only slaying because it combined well with farming btw, unlike the static frost drag trips (takes quite abit to prepare and get there). Though, I might slay some more to round it off at a nice exp number. :mrgreen: