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Gertjaars has quit too but he still gets mentioned aswell, nice try though :P . Also, if Kema did quit I doubt it's perm - probably inactive cuz of school starting etc.

Lol even though he maxed out alot of easy skills already, Kemadorr isn't doing bad at all. I do believe he declared that he's either going for rank 1 overall or that he feels that he's the best (#1) player on Runescape (or both). So there's atleast ambition there, and he doesn't appear to be afraid to train slower skills based on his fish and rc exp, just starting with the easiest ones. He tops Evil XP God with about 10m exp (1,43B), hence he gets a mention from me. :D Oh and to finish it - Coming milestone: 200m hunting. He appears to be in the race for a hunt first page spot, which he will have to work hard for if the above 3 all keep it up.

Except I don't have any plans to 'nolife' for 10+ years or something XD (and no the 17h thing wouldn't be perm either :P) Anyway hi Jeb! Party on this thread now ahaha. All I can say is that people who do extreme things have the odds stacked against them. Because there's shallow people (judgmental related usually), ignorant people, jealous people, trolls (hate on everything/one that stands out), fanboys (rivalry involved) etc etc etc. Combine all of those people, and that's a huge part of the world population already. And the fun part is; most of these characteristics don't allow their mind to be swayed, aka, you cannot show/convince those people to think otherwise. Should you frown upon this response, then yeah, you're one of the above mentioned people lol (though I probably missed a few). Being curious about how a person does something that you cannot comprehend with is the way to go. Ask that person about it, actually listen to what he/she says about it, and make up an objective (so none of the above mentioned characteristics) conclusion based on that.

Oh oh Aasi, why do ya even bother then? :P Anyway Danq, Zezima is just a player who had the ambition to achieve rank 1 overall when rs first came out and picked the easiest possible road to it. All I can give him props for is for discovering rs 5-6 years before I did haha. Besides that, he actually had it easy despite skills being alot harder to train imo - since he didn't have to deal with the massive trolling community that rs seems to have now. And guys, haven't you realized by now that none of the top skillers care about getting 200m in all skills apart from SUOMI and Skiller 703? Rank 1 or somewhere close to it is their 'max' goal, but 200m in all skills - don't think so, lol.

I lol'd :lol: As did I, nice one Langer XD <3 XpX, isn't the hand cannon a bit inconsistent to use? Cause of the exploding thingy lol. Also, do the range boost prayers add to the (dwarf) cannon accuracy aswell such as rigour? Currently I'm constantly using eagle eye with sighted longbow, got the points for rigour so just need to know if it does before purchasing. Also wondering if handcannon without range prayers is better than sighted longbow with range prayers, both using void but handcannon setup with deflector and arma chestpl8. Handcannon would cost more obv but not using pray pots as much would cut back the costs alot. Please let me know! :) Rigor is definitely worth using if you have it. Hand cannon can't be used with the void deflector range, but should be used with traditional void range. The cost of hand cannon isn't as bad as some may think as the ammo is cheap(200 gp per) and it's relatively slow, and the explosions don't happen all that often at 99 firemaking. If you want to kill them cheaply and efficiently(which seems to be your goal) the best way would be to use runecbow+void deflector range, sw cape, broad bolts and rigor. Hmm, the sw cape instead of ava's sounds interesting, Ima give that a try. Thanks! :thumbsup:

I lol'd :lol: As did I, nice one Langer XD <3 XpX, isn't the hand cannon a bit inconsistent to use? Cause of the exploding thingy lol. Also, do the range boost prayers add to the (dwarf) cannon accuracy aswell such as rigour? Currently I'm constantly using eagle eye with sighted longbow, got the points for rigour so just need to know if it does before purchasing. Also wondering if handcannon without range prayers is better than sighted longbow with range prayers, both using void but handcannon setup with deflector and arma chestpl8. Handcannon would cost more obv but not using pray pots as much would cut back the costs alot. Please let me know! :)

Yeah, i've been testing out different ranging methods there lately, saw you there again today, too bad there are only 1-2 decent servers at any one time... But anyway, i highly doubt sighted mage long+ rune arrows is the best there as karils is both faster with a higher ranged strength, while ranged accuracy isn't tremendously important as traditional range void is better than armadyl. I'm guessing that diamond bolts+chaotic xbos+void(deflector) is actually the very best method, but i'm currently in the process of finding out. Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason sighted longbow is better is because it adds accuracy to the cannon aswell, which is the main force when killing frosties, thus making it a better option. The bow you're shooting with isn't that important, and since people are there to make money, diamond bolts + chaotic cbow would be a foolish choice simply because it cuts down on profit alot while not gaining much more usefulness from them. :) You are right in the fact that ranged attack bonus also works for the cannon, but you also have to understand how the cannon works- each added attack bonus doesn't linearly increase the cannons accuracy, so after about 100 ranged attack ranged attack bonus gets irrelevant, quite like how prayer bonus works. Relying on the fact that void range is better to use at frost dragons then armadyl(which i've tested) even though the large(80 or so) difference in ranged attack bonus. Even though cannon does more than 50% of the damage at frost dragons, it doesn't do all the damage, thus your primary ranged attack is still extremely important. The difference of zamorak bow+zamorak arrows and chaotic crossbow+diamond bolts could be as large as 30 kills an hour, as well as alot of xp. I think you off all people should understand the value of xp, so even though one method would be a bit more profitable, it'd make sense to use the slightly more expensive method that gives more xp, since xp also equates to money, and this is particularly true for frost dragons since every dragon you kill is around 25k profit. Right now i've only been able to test 2 handed ranged weapons for their efficiency and arrived at some useful conclusions, but i've not been able to draw any conclusions for any one handed range weapons as i don't have a void deflector yet(and i believe it to be a big part of why range could be better at frost dragons). Ah lol well don't get upset, I've only heard this stuff from friends anyway - not tested out all possibilities. Would appericiate it if you could drop me a pm as to what would be the best way to kill them using range ^_^, hopefully you'll find out soon! P.S. I do have a void deflector but I've got no clue what it does lol, care to fill me in how it would make void the most viable option for range? XD

Yeah, i've been testing out different ranging methods there lately, saw you there again today, too bad there are only 1-2 decent servers at any one time... But anyway, i highly doubt sighted mage long+ rune arrows is the best there as karils is both faster with a higher ranged strength, while ranged accuracy isn't tremendously important as traditional range void is better than armadyl. I'm guessing that diamond bolts+chaotic xbos+void(deflector) is actually the very best method, but i'm currently in the process of finding out. Uhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason sighted longbow is better is because it adds accuracy to the cannon aswell, which is the main force when killing frosties, thus making it a better option. The bow you're shooting with isn't that important, and since people are there to make money, diamond bolts + chaotic cbow would be a foolish choice simply because it cuts down on profit alot while not gaining much more usefulness from them. :)

Omg that was you? Knew I recognized the name somewhere :!: . Anyway, I guess I'll have to start merching sooner or later so I'm gonna use the money for that before doing prayer I suppose. Also, that's not a msb lol <3, it's a sighted magic longbow - best range weapon to kill them with apperentaly. @All is Great: Thanks! Finally some objectivity in here :) @Lucipher and Aasiwat: Couldn't agree more XD I try to train all skills that way. @Langer: Hehe yeah, but in that case you'll have to calc the average playtime a day for each 'top player' aswell to get a real accurate view of who would get there first ;). @Stonewall: Wth? I'm not a crasher lmao, just new at bandos - which makes it understandable why I responded to the crashing stuff imo, not used to that stuff yet lol. @Arcane Rift: If we were to follow your spreadsheet, it would mean that Suomi would be the undisputed #1 person to reach all skills 200m since he's closer to it than anyone else, plays longer than anyone else but me, and it's his actual goal too while it doesn't look like he has plans to lead a different life anytime soon either (aka something that would disrupt him). Point determined = thread locked? Though it doesn't work like that, in this case that should almost apply lol. I really don't see anyone other than Suomi get 200m in all skills.

And it's also ok to brutally crash people, ignoring/arrogant replying them when being friendly asked to hop, say more provoking things to cause a reaction and then screenie the worst part of the conversation to try and make the person you're crashing look bad by posting it around? I think not. :thumbup: The way I see it, TIFers who have the gear for it appear to be going around crashing people and try to get a reaction out of them just so they can have a nice screenie to post on their precious forums. Pathetic. And I don't see why these posts concerning this subject haven't been removed yet, seeing as the (old) screenie is incriminating aka against TIF rules, and on this thread it isn't even relevant. So to the TIF mods: please remove it, and to the random people trolling: please get to know me better first before judging/trolling. It's not brutally crashing when you have a verac helm karil top and divine, it is when you have bcp neitz and rune defender. Anyone who was using divine was intending on tanking bandos and solo'ing, not crashing for fun and gloating. I don't know the person from the pic, I don't know who you are so I have no intention on ruining your "reputation". All I see is a guy who flashes his ranks and threatens a guy (which is just as bad as someone flashing their gear and crashing a player) so you can drop the whole being moral act. All I see here is a person who is obviously more experienced with bandos atleast than I am, who is judging the ENTIRE situation on 1 screenshot. But I know what I saw, and if that player wasn't intending on crashing people, then why did he attack bandos anyway - trying to steal our kills? You're right that it's both wrong, but you're also being a hypocryt. Cuz don't tell me you haven't raged at crashers before - you just didn't have the means (in this case, ranks) to come up with a similiar argument. But hey, if you want to judge the entire situation on 1 screenie and ignore what happened before that and be short-sighted - go right ahead, I don't care. Also, it's not an act - it's who I am. Wish the unhappy people would drop the way outdated subject already... @Aribiter (page 48): I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure what you expect me to answer to that haha. I've said all I had to say about that subject, and I'm not interested in detailed exp/h discussions etc. XD OT: You shouldn't forget that Dapledo might be 1B behind atm, but he also has alot of easy skills left to train. If he trains those at the same pace as he's training the slower skills then he'll go up in exp quickly when he does - while the top players have pretty much used all the fastest exp skills already, thus unable to form a decent counterattack. Aka, they will get owned. And that's the problem of the discussion atm - it shouldn't be all about the biggest exp raises. For example, a player might have gone up 2m exp doing rc while another player has gone up 10m by doing herb. What most are doing is give props to the player who gained 10m - while you should actually be giving credit to the player gaining 2m - since herblore is 10 times as fast than rc. The only thing that would save the 10m herb player is if Jagex decides to make other skills big exp gainers - such as what happened to slayer now (stronger weapons, effigies) - extending the 'inevitable', as I'd like to call it. And that's exactly what's happening with Zarfot atm. Funny thing is - Jagex might extend it so far that he'll be unable to get caught by screwing all other players over that haven't been following the same path and make more skills even easier aswell, to put it bluntly. It is sad that they're making the game so selective as to who might be able to obtain the #1 spot. That will be all for now. :)

And it's also ok to brutally crash people, ignoring/arrogant replying them when being friendly asked to hop, say more provoking things to cause a reaction and then screenie the worst part of the conversation to try and make the person you're crashing look bad by posting it around? I think not. :thumbup: The way I see it, TIFers who have the gear for it appear to be going around crashing people and try to get a reaction out of them just so they can have a nice screenie to post on their precious forums. Pathetic. And I don't see why these posts concerning this subject haven't been removed yet, seeing as the (old) screenie is incriminating aka against TIF rules, and on this thread it isn't even relevant. So to the TIF mods: please remove it, and to the random people trolling: please get to know me better first before judging/trolling. ________________________________________ OT: Wow that's a surprise, I didn't think long/curved bones were gonna count aswell for the bonus exp :geek: . Anyway, on the subject of calculating how long all 200m's would take, me training skills with my own preference (not always the fastest/best ones) doesn't make me some kind of incalculated dummy. Like Aasiwat said, the reason for playing is usually to have fun and I'll add to it that we're all doing what we are capable of doing aswell. Being tied down for nearly 2k days doing tedious stuff such as fletching while training magic (seriously?) just seems impossible for a normal human being to keep up with unless they have some kind of really really strong motivation or find it fun to do (erm, ok then, lol) and have lots of time on their hands to match all of that. I actually calc alot of things, but not 'to the number' - more like, roughly to give myself a bit of breathing space. I'd say that's one of the reasons why I'm able to train so consistently. I've calced how long all skills 200m would take me, using my own way of training them all - results of that will be posted on my thread. Can spoil already that it would take me less than 1.5k days the way things stand atm, using 18h/days (my playtime a day) instead of 24h/days. Speaking of that thread, it's been a bit hectic with the bexp weekend and all, but I've reached 85 dung yesterday so hopefully I'll be able to write it while killing frost drags. So no promises, but the intention is to create it soon. Pretty good discussion we all got going now, hopefully the other 'top ranks' will be a bit more generous like me and post some more of their thoughts concerning the all skills 200m subject aswell *wink wink* :thumbsup:

Well, this goes to show that the tone of posts over the internet can be taken in totally wrong ways. I was merely asking for your side of the story, and I got it. Thankyou. You read my post in the completely wrong tone. None of what you think I meant is true about that post. Also, I was not in any way trying to imply that you broke game rules when you did summoning at all. Let me clarify. I believe Jagex claims that they monitor account activity looking for anything unusual. For example, very long periods of being logged in, or gaining massive amounts of xp in a short period of time. If this is indeed the case that Jagex does this, then I would guess that they run a program that notifies them of accounts that are doing "out of the ordinary" things. Now, it wouldn't be good PR for Jagex to simply smack anyone they notice with the ban hammer, so presumably they would look further into things. If this is indeed the case, how did you avoid this. Did you notify Jagex saying, "oh hey, im gonna get lots of xp between these dates, its really gonna be me, dont worry" or did a Jmod perhaps turn up and talk to you for a bit while you were summoning? I was not implying that you were botting in any way. Merely wondering if Jagex may have thought you were, or if this wasn't a problem at all. Ooh! I wasn't even aware of that lol, sorry. Though the first bit did pretend to make that sound like trolling :P Anyway nope, didn't have any J-mod contact ever lol. I guess they trust that I'm not botting or whatever? XD @West: Hey, yvw :P I've gotten used to it through routine. Cw played a big part here (and as Danq said, so did the cw clan I was high council in) because it was so much fun that I barely noticed the time when I played (I only played Runescape for Cw until IP wrecked the game). I just converted those hours into skilling. I keep in touch with SUOMI yes, he's a friend of mine. I keep in touch with Aasiwat and Skiller 703 aswell, but other than that I don't really know any real pro's :) As for days played, I'm a little under 1k yeah, but note that only about 400 days of those were spent on pro. Also thanks Langer for the kind words :) Lastly, decided to put thieving on hold for awhile and do something that involves money for bonus exp weekend instead - might write the thread earlier than planned then. :D

Hey, sorry lol I totally missed your post :mellow: Doing 200m thieving now I guess, then making more money / do dung :) - haven't read the thread for that long btw lol, just never had the time before to post etc. Also EpicWin, efficient or not, my 2-3 years to get 2b exp incl getting all 99s first vs their much longer playing time while there are only a few people ahead of me in total exp totally disproves your statement, sorry. Trolling failed. Also, yes it is unlucky if precisely every skill I decide to train get touched by negative updates while I'm training them - while skills that I'm not training barely get scratched. It is also a fact that Jagex is focusing way too much on combat lately, just when I've trained those skills to 200m. You cannot predict these updates to come. It's called luck and bad luck, okay?

Oh yea i fully agree with the sense of accomplishment, different people get it from different things. I myself get more of a sense of accomplishment from making 500k in one night than if would if i cut down yews for 2 hours or so. :thumbup: If your referring to zarfot, he mentioned in his merching guide that he has never merchanted rares, and has only flipped. To be perfectly honest, that opportunity has always been there since the GE. Making a video about training craft by d stones and letting people know how superawesome it is while having a bunch of cut d stones in your bank aka getting 200m craft fast and with profit isn't called flipping, good sir. Neither is getting 200m prayer while the bones were around 1.5k ea, to just name a few things.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have the oppurtunity to do that, which is why it's more impressive if someone reaches the same result while having worked much harder for it - with limited resources. Sense of accomplishment, my friend. :)

Ah well, I'm afraid that I'm gonna have to keep range the way it is since I'll be using it to make money with haha. I was slaying only because I was hunting for clues, lol XD. Figured camping for em and losing time doing the clues would be too slow, so some slayer exp made up for that. Still no 3rd age though *mumbles* :) @Water, np, and thanks for the kind words btw. P.S. I also like your avatar, har har! ^_^ @Silver, Hehe np! Never had coffee, and only used a few energy drinks during longer playing times (156h week for summoning). Tea is where it's at mate! XD And I don't really have the answer to that, but if I am able to turn such effort and determination on something else then that would only be positive imo :P.But yeah, I suppose the end result would be to become even better at grinding. I do always strive to be the best at the things I specialize in, so I guess that has something to do with it aswell. Lastly, I'm also an entertainer; it does me good to see others enjoy the effort that I put in. Rs is only the start though, but it would be great if my irl talent indeed hits the chart aswell, and then I can say 'Oh yeah, I also got this in my earlier days...'. No one would expect that, which is why that would be awesome ^^.

Oh hey Water! Yeahh I remember that you thought I botted hunter or something lol XD. Well that's okay, though it's a bit sad that you prejudged me and were hostile from the start pretty much lol. Well anyway, it's okay and a clean slate would be nice. :) Xpx, thanks I guess lol, though I'm not sure about this wall you speak of. All skills 200m is not a goal of mine. Slayer and farm would be minus 350m exp. Seeing as I have 23 other skills to work with, that's still well over 4b xp. Not saying that all of those are going to 200m lol, but it gives me plenty of options thats for sure. I don't think you've read all that I said though, cuz I did say that I've been working on quests so that I can do wgs, aka I can't even do td's yet lol. Also, I chose abby demons because they're less of a death risk, and some great people were camping there aswell so I had no reason to leave really. Besides, it was a goal aswell to get 200m attack on them atleast so I just switched them up with zombies after I got that. Worked great - good exp, good money and good conversations. Now I'm sure td's would be better money wise, but it also draws those arrogant people I was talking about towards them. People crashing you by luring td's to attack you doesn't sound like a nice atmosphere to me. Anyway, gonna try it one day I guess - though frost dragons sound alot more fun to me. Obviously I didn't do those instead of abby demons, because they didn't exist yet haha :P And finally, Pere. First of all I think you're not being very objective. While this is being discussed on TipIt and that guy is apperentaly is a TIFer, it is understandable that you aren't, but I hope you realize that there's always 2 sides of the story, and you've only heard his side so far. Now I don't think you're in a position to demand for any justification, nor do I like the tone in the rest of your post. It's probably a waste of time to tell you what really happened, but I'll tell you anyway. My gf and I logged into a world and saw that there was a guy soloing already. So, we were being nice and logged into lobby so that this player could finish his trip in peace. We logged in shortly after that again, and noticed the same player was still there. BUT! He was being crashed by a new player, which was your friend. I don't like how some people think that a divine + chaotic weap + other pro stuff gives them the right to do anything they please. Clearly they do not care for others, and he had the arrogant attitude to match it. We explained that we were waiting for that player to finish his trip, but since he was crashing him already, odds were low that he wasn't gonna crash us either. So nope, he continued to crash, the player we were waiting for had to tele out, and then it was just us 3. So of course we outhit him at first, and then he left to get his proper crash gear. And yep he did come back with it, making more arrogant remarks while doing so. I am a man of justice. If an injustice occurs, then I'm going to do something against it. Certainly when it involves me directly, obviously. Now then, dear Pere, I'm sure he was happy to screenie the final part of our conversation and give his own deranged twist to the story (wouldn't expect anything less from such a person), but I'm sure that he didn't tell ya how it started or screenie the things he said first, did he now? Idgaf if he's your friend, or a TIFer, or the queen of England for all I care; being unreasonable and arrogant like that and I'm going to have a problem with you. I gave his name to some pro bandos friends of mine, funny actually, they were people that I met at abby demons. Anyway, they'll know that he's a rotten apple now. Of course that can all be reversed, if you can get your friend to apologize - and he must also promise to never crash someone at bandos again. If your friend is the amazing and innocent guy that you make him out to be, this won't be a problem will it? And if he says 'hell no!'...now that would just prove my point now wouldn't it? Oh and lastly, I believe that you are in violation of the tipit bulletin board rules. I'm 100% sure that you know better than that concerning botting and top players. I don't bot nor do I take part in any other illegal activity. People who do bot all get caught by Jagex before they even hit a few 100m total exp btw, let alone 2b+ exp lol. ^Sorry for going a bit off-topic there, could someone with authority on these forums please sort him out? Thank you. :) Edit: Oh and I agree Troa - when talking about all skills 200m Zarfot is a definite contender atm. But like I said earlier, unless he gets something more out of it than just Rs fame, I highly doubt that he will make it that far because with a 10h a day playing time, that's still a LONG way to go - probably too long if Rs fame is all there is that's up for grabs. SUOMI has the best longterm odds for it imo, and I hope that it will be him because he doesn't merch either which I like - although I would like to see him work for his money a bit more and not get it by donations. If he does that then yeah, he has a decent shot at it. But it might be too long for him aswell, only difference here though is that it's actually his goal + he has the 2nd most playtime a day in rs (longterm wise), apart from me. Besides that, I also think that Aasiwat has a decent shot at it - because it turned out that he didn't get his money from keeping free/cheap rares and sell em now for big cash after all, meaning that he is able to work for things. Though he does merch I believe, and then again, it took Aasiwat much longer to get where he is now (8+ years?) >>Edit: Just remembered something, he did quit in the meanwhile for a certain period, so the 8 year should be 4-5 years instead<<, meaning that it'll take him very long still, should he decide to go for it. When we're talking about longterm #1 overall exp though, I give myself the biggest chance to get it - keeping in mind that it only took me 2-3 years to gain 2b exp, while not even using the fastest exp methods, nor mousekeys, nor merch and all that, starting from scratch and not even training the easiest skills to achieve it. But hey! Everything can happen, so we'll just have to see how it goes. Perhaps some unexpected person will go in superoverdriveskiller mode @@@ and get all 200m's first haha. Either way, gonna be interesting to see. :)

Wow you guys wrote alot after that huh! Well, now that I've had my good night's rest, I guess I can answer some questions etc before starting thieving properly :P Okay well, maybe I'm the wrong person to ask some of these things to, because my way of handling stuff and thinking about things is kinda, uhm, unique? I'll just start with the heavy question as an example. I guess when playing time a day is concerned that this only applies to me and to SUOMI in some way aswell. I play that much a day because I achieve things fast if I do so, and it's a good test to see how far my capabilities can reach. Anyway, I'm planning something huge for my future involving my hiddes irl talents ;) *omg secret secret XD*, and Guinness Book + those records would just be a means to that end. Had to be something black on white too, something that proves how much effort I've put in and am able to do. I did say something in my previous post that would explain why this question about burning down my life doesn't really apply to me. I said I'm aiming for the world, not just runescape. While also doing things on Rs fast, it means that I will be done soon aswell - so it's sort of a 'get it over with' kind of thing too. And while I have the possibility now, why waste the chance, you know? Basically I've got much more plans after 'nolife Runescape'. And the funny thing is, I've been working on preparing for this aswell - all while playing this game. For example, I've figured out a way to make good irl money awhile ago and it can be combined with Rs perfectly, if you're not one of those skillers that does 2+ skills at the same time, like fletching while thieving or something. I'm 18 now, and if I would keep up this way of making money I'd be a millionaire around age 23. But that's not what I really want to do, it's there as a nice backup though - should my hidden irl talent(s) not have the desired succes. Also note that I've indeed got a health condition that has plunged me into this current life basically. It got so bad that regular school days we're no longer an option and I had to think of something else that would still ensure me of a succesful future. Ironically it involved playing Rs so long a day, haha! Yeah, safe to say that I'm creative when it comes to solving obstacles XD About that condition though - it involves allergies for one *another spoilerrr :P*, meaning that while I'm doing this, I'm perfectly fine. It becomes a problem, however, if I have to do something physically intense, or when I go outside for long periods of time. Quite an unlucky story behind this, which I'm also saving for the thread I guess. But let's just say that the things I've tried against it have failed, and that I've had to wait for certain treatments that could only be executed at age 18+ (requirement) which I now am but haven't started yet, obviously :P. But yep these options are much more like the stuff that I need, so I'm very confident that I'm able to get cured (rather soon aswell, starting it up after a few more nolife rs goals). So hopefully, this won't be a problem. But it's still uncertain if everything will work out, so yeah that's a tough one. Anyway, I do actually wonder about how other 'top skillers' think about that question of yours, Silvertaler. I am infact very much aware of what a waste it would be to just play the game for so long a day if rs fame is all you're going to get with it and not achieve anything else. For example, I know that atleast part of the motivation behind SUOMI's all 200m's goal is because he loves the game and enjoys playing it. Maybe he does it for different reasons aswell, but I can only speak for myself really so you'd have to ask these people individually. But personally no, I don't see this as a waste at all. I'm still on my way to what I want to achieve in life - perhaps even more now since I have a few crazy digital achievements under my belt which I would've been unable to get if I would still be in school, PLUS I'm having fun too! Now if you ask me, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal :D - it's just hard to comprehend with for most people. And I can't blame them for thinking that way either - I think about it the same way concerning those other 'top skillers'. For example, I know that Zarfot plays about 10 hours a day and has stated that hours like 16h a day would be too much for him. Well, hopefully he's achieving things irl aswell when he's not on rs. Gertjaars is a good example too. I think his playing time averaged 10h a day aswell. Who knows what he's been upto when he wasn't playing Rs? And look at him now, he has quit Rs (temporarely or perm, not sure) and is probably off doing the things that he had planned for his future. You see, sometimes there's just more to a story than the eye can tell. And for that reason I feel that people shouldn't be so judgmental about this kind of stuff. We're all just doing what we feel is good for ourselves to do. There's lots of limitations to consider aswell, and if ya ask me we're all just trying to make the best out of life. This is why I really dislike shallow, mindless people who just say 'haha you sad noob, get a life' to just name an example lol. The funny part is that the people who make those comments play this game aswell, while the only kind of person who would have the slightest of rights to say this are those folks who hang out on the street with 'friends' all day, pulling pranks and whatnot, or people like Lindsay Lohan (lol, extreme example) who spent their life in the 'going out' style most of the time. So not only are the people who make those 'get a life' comments and think about it that way shallow, they're wannabees aswell. And no, I do not respect that. And having a life, what does that mean to some people, really? If you're gonna be judgmental, look at Lindsay. Recently sent off to prison. Addicted. Leading an imbalanced life. And oh, I'm sure she had lots of boyfriends too. Woohoo, what a great life she has? So yeah, think about that really. Well, I guess the above paragraph kind of answers how I feel about other players/people, Jsboutin2. But to make it short and sweet for ya: I treat and respect people the way they treat and respect me. Like, if someone who doesn't know me randomly goes off flaming me for having the stats that I have, I'm not gonna be answering that with 'Good day chap, how's life treatin ya then?' if you know what I mean, lol. And as for the whole Rs fame and stuff, I don't really care about that either. We all have our goals, our ambitions, and the way I see it some of us just have more in mind for this game than most (just sticking to Rs as an example). Naturally, they should get more credit/praise for that, but yeah that's where the difference stops pretty much. With some people, that goes to their heads and they become arrogant and selective. I'm sure you're able to name some examples about that yourself haha! But I'm happy to say that luckily I'm not like that at all. And you're welcome :P @Squisher, you are obviously a person who is interested in the Rs efficiency and all that it has to offer. While funnily enough I don't really care about that, I am forced to check out some stuff though, of course :). Uhh well first of all, I do not have a handicap concerning slayer. I've worked it out with my playtimes and all 200m's would take me less than 3 years. But unfortunately, I don't see the point in that at all. While I want to get as many exp records possible, I also want to do things my way and enjoy what I am doing. Slayer is simply not one of those things. I don't like to 'be lived by others', telling me what to do and such. That goes for the slayer master aswell, if you know what I'm saying ;). However, as stated before, I do not get bored of anything so I'd be able to get it still - IF there would be a point to it, and there isn't, for me atleast. I only got all 200m's in melee now because I wanted to be perm top page for all of them, and was forced to camp abby demons, because some skills require alot of money - which is tough to come up with if you don't merch or anything and had to come from wayyyy behind + start from scratch, no favours at all (unlike most of the 'top skillers'...). BUT, imo it was worth it + it's not the end of the world, really. If I had any kind of interest in slaying, I'd get about 1m exp a day in it (making full use of Jagex's new updates that have made the game easier yet again -sigh-), not even counting combat exp. + I'd rake in effigies for even more exp a day aswell. Combine this, and it's actually faster than alot of skills! But that's not the point. The point is that I follow my own goals, and slayer simply isn't a part of them. While I'm sure that Zarfot could put up a good challenge because of all of these updates that favour him (honestly, sometimes I think there's a J-Mod leaking all the upcoming updates to him lol), I don't think you realize that I play almost double the amount of hours a day. While he's obviously much more efficient, I can still get considerably more exp a day. And while he might have slayer and all left, I have skills left such as herb construct prayer and crafting that he has maxed out already. And correct me if I'm wrong, that's more than 700m exp aswell. So imo it's gonna come down to the remaining skills like fishing, rc and stuff. And even if he's able to equal my exp by that time, it's hello 10h efficient ZMI or barb fishing vs 19h of less efficient barb fishing and ZMI (about 4/5th of max possible) a day. Well, you do the math who's going to win that ;). For Zarfot to win, he'd need to be x10 more luckier than he already is with updates and such (like you pretty much stated), or my irl career will launch before this time, which will mean that I'll instantly stop with playing so long a day - at which point yeah, I'm probably going back to cw and play the game the way that it's meant for in the end (to have fun!). Oh yes, and those reasons you named are indeed amongst the stuff that is meant by lucky and unlucky haha XD Whew! Now just to answer a few more shorter stuffs before I'm off to plunder properly XD. @Bazza: Thanks! Though I don't follow much other threads on Tipit, I'll check it out if I ever find the time :) @Impressionist: Haha I guess so, though it was mainly about finding the time to actually post lol :P @Danq: Better believe it! Stop acting so suspicious oi oi XD, surely you remember the way I am atleast a little bit? :unsure: @Techni: Have to agree so far :P @Langer: Thanks! You too, and keep up the good work with them weekly thread updates :P @Jsboutin2: Alright lol. While not merching, it's not as easy to obtain money while remaining fair in doing so. Magic was the first big step towards 200m summon, and so it had to be done. Finally got enough money for it, camping abby demons day in day out, plowing away. Then ON THE DAY I WENT TO BUY THE RUNES FOR IT, bang! Jagex releases the update for shops no longer having an unlimited supply. So not only did I get delayed cuz merchers were hogging up the runes right away, I had to pay tons more than expected aswell. To make it worse, Jagex also randomly released a quest somehwere during this time, Blood Runs Deep. Why the heck would ya let players WALK through the rock lobs area, a populated place, that would obviously mess up all of the respawns AND making them follow and hit the player, meaning the mager would be unable to get them until the very end where they would get atked by tons of daggs etc? I had to deal with this for atleast 2 weeks which was annoying as hell. And if ya think it couldn't get any worse, they also released the bloody SoL on the day I got 200m magic. Oh, AND they failed to allow deaths/bloods to have a possible double craft option when the first rc update about that got released, which would've potentially kept their prices at bay, making it somewhat cheaper again for me. But no, of course they had to create that update after I was done with magic aswell. And that's only the magic skill I'm talking about now. Hence me being pretty disgusted with updates. Imo, the hardest working players should get the biggest rewards, not be beaten down the hardest. Well I guess that last one was pretty long still, but whatever :P. Anyways, that's about it! Please carry on the discussion and feel free to discuss the things I've said too. Guess it's time for me to start that thieving record now, probably won't check out the thread much in the meanwhile but yeah, see how it goes. Thanks for reading, again! Haha XD

Oh good, everything working fine! That was kind of a testing post, har har. Anyway, yep hi everyone! I've been reading this thread for quite a while now, seeing if someone can guess what exactly I am doing or how I do things. It gives me a good laugh because, well, no one has pretty much made a correct guess about that so far ha ha! That's also why this piece of text cracked me up when I was registering: Edit: oh never mind, it said knowingly. Geez lol XD Ahaha. Well then, I won't post everything here because I'm planning to write a forum thread one of these days (atleast after 200m thieving though) and I don't want to spoil everything. BUT, I can however, give some spoilers and voice my opinion on relevant matters. Alright well, first of all, it's been quite a dissapointing read for me so far, since I am the hardest working 'top skiller' for one. It's quite painful that that somehow doesn't get recognized and that most of the posters only post 'what meets the eye'. For example, when Zarfot is gaining alot of exp - people post wow wow Zarfot@@@, while not thinking through the consequences. Because while the exp gains may be good, it also means that it's one step closer to running out of easy exp skills. And when that happens, playing time a day starts to matter. Great! Here's a little info about me then. I've been playing over 18 hours a day average (18.5 or so) for over 3 years now - trying to average 19 hours a day this year. I don't merch because I wish to remain a 'fair' player, and not exploit 1 of the many 'legal imbalances' that Jagex has created into their game. Basically, it is near impossible for new players to break into the top hiscores. Why? well, basically it started with rares (like partyhats) and their prices now. Most of these so-called 'top skillers' were around already during this time, getting those rares for free/very cheap, and able to sell them off for MAJOR cash nowadays. So major that it grants them a starting capital to merch with. And, with merching being way too OP'd considering the amount of work it takes (little to none), basically means that these players got given the top ranks, should they be willing to put a bit of effort in. That, + many other imbalances (climbing boots update for latest example), + most of the top hiscore ranks being hogged up, makes me care very little for the main aspect of Runescape. What do I care about then? Well, obviously something that REALLY shows who the best player is. And for me, that something is the exp records (runetracker), and the Guinness Book. So, of course my main goals are based on that then :P, which are: More than half of the month records (month, because it vouches for true pro skilling. Everyone can nolife for a week and then be totally burned out for ages after that, 'neveryone' can play consistent long hours a day (18+) for 1 month+), and to get in the Guinness Book for my gaming record(s). This would be awesome and quite hilarious, because I'm not a nerd at all by nature, just a guy who is limited by a health condition who has ambitions and a strong determination to achieve those ambitions (I've never failed to achieve what I wanted until this very day). Yes, about that health condition. Unfortunately because of that, I am unable to pay full attention to a skill, hence unable to reach the max exp/h possible (example, 250k/h thieving pp possible, I get 220k/h). Referring to my not being a nerd line, I do alot of things at the same time. Basically, whoever said that guys can't multitask - I'm living proof to prove that person wrong XD. For example, I'm writing this while doing pp. I'll save the details of all of this for the thread I'm planning to write. Now then, responding to the last few pages. First of all NO, I did not have a burnout haha. It doesn't cost me much effort at all to keep up these hours a day, adding to that that I don't get bored of the things I choose to do. Ever. Anyways, I wouldn't call it an ambition, but something I really had hoped for to happen instead. While I do consider myself to be the unluckiest 'top skiller' when rs updates and prices are concerned (will happily give some examples if anyone wants to know why that is XD), I did get insanely extremely lucky on a different aspect. I've met the love of my life a while ago. While this doesn't conflict with my goals, it does make me consider various other things to do on rs that I wouldn't have considered before. Also, because of my bad luck with rs updates and such, and Jagex just continuing to make the game easier, I've decided to hold off with most records for now and just focus on spending time with her while making money for them buyable skills. For example, I've been trying my hand at bandos for the first time (never really been to godwars lol), which has proven to be quite rewarding. However, it means that I won't gain any exp due to my melee stats being 200m exp already. So while this might seem like I'm having a burnout/not playing as much anymore to the common eye, I am infact still keeping up the same hours a day (19h) while progressing with money. I've also been doing quests and diaries (I don't usually bother with them) for wgs, and items such as ardy cape 3 and varrock plate 3 for 200m thieving and mining. Lastly, I've also started up dung, which is terribly messy in the beginning with the resetting and finding good people to dung with etc. All in all, I'm going to sit back concerning exp records for awhile because rs updates keep messing me up badly and I'm getting disgusted of that, instead now doing stuff that will make me some great money, together with the woman of my dreams when it's possible - preparing to smash it all out on those buyable skills that I still have left, unlike the others from the top 5 overall exp (hint hint). In the meanwhile, Jagex can do their thing and make the game even easier so I can get even bigger exp records. Also, while planning to train harder skills to 200m aswell such as mining, all of this combined will guarantee me the future rank 1 overall exp of rs. This isn't even a goal of mine, because it just means so very little. It'll be nice to gain some rs fame with it sure, but the rest of the world doesn't care one bit, which is the audience that I'm eventually aiming for. Alright then! This should clear up some guesses and rumours then, like the burnout/me playing less than usual/ even a 'gf slowing me down' rumour lol! Fear not; because everything is still going as planned - just in a different order now :). Anyway, as I've kinda spoiled this in the multitasking part already, I am going to hit up the thieving month record this month, mainly because 1 of my friends figured that thieving won't be made much faster anymore after the thieving guild release - which I'll have to agree with, + the timing is pretty good atm. And no Squisher, I'm not doing addy arrows while pp'ing haha :P - 100% focus on rs is a bit too 'nerdy' for me, and not possible for me either I guess. XD Last few closing words coming up now, don't worry haha :). I've decided to make this post because some of you were wondering if any 'top skillers' other than Aasiwat (hi buddy XD) were reading this, and that it would be nice if they would give some insight to their goals etc. So for those people: Here ya go! I'd like to wish everyone else good luck with their goals, hopefully you've enjoyed the read - and nope don't be fooled - this is still just a preview for the future thread haha. Right then, thank you for reading and thanks to whoever is supporting me! ^_^ P.S. Not sure if I'm able to answer any questions because I will likely want to save most of the answers for my thread. -Few final random facts- -5b+ made without doing bosses, pvp, merching etc. skilling and abby demons only -started 4-5 years ago, 6 months f2p, ~2 years of cw, ~2 years of serious skilling) -8 month records done so far, more to come) -sorry for taking this long to make that 2nd post, had to write it while pp'ing though :P) -And yes Danq, the real Drumgun I'm afraid. Good to see ya again, old cwl mate! :) Cheers :)

Yes there is, but should I tell you or not? Hm....Maybe in my next post I will ;)