Deathknell

No, I didn't so now I look like an ass. Thanks. <_< Still, I don't think it's Runescape's job to either to condemn or glorify gambling nor enforce what people do with their money. Truth be told, I don't think government should decide what people do with their money. Though when it becomles a business to provide gambling it becomes more complicated. So my point is, gambling is a pretty complicated issue and too much so for Jagex to have to take part in. It's not their job to warn kids about gambling. I do think they should protect them from predators of any sort and think they've done a decent ob of doing so. Monkey, I don't care he made a fansite, but I agree that any moral gaming company wouldn't have ties to a site run by someone like this.

You have entirely missed the point I was making in the first place. But my original reply to your point was that gambling in RS does show the consequeces of the gambling while the alcohol part doesn't. Geek, don't try too hard with ll0rt, he just tries to be a highly disagreeable person.

Maybe they have to sneak us into the area by a boat? Then we go south instead of coming up through the mountains?

Squab, if you engage in dice or flower games on RS and keep getting scammed, I doubt you'd want to gamble with anything real. :rolleyes:

Yeah, there is no denying it's related to child porn...

No, I'm going to sell them Like I said though I think it's a reasonable assumption. Not foolproof by any means, but I can't fault someone for making the assumption.

Yeah, it does become opinions. 1) I think Jagex is justified in both action and saying why they're taking that action. 2) I don't think anyone should initiate violence against Hiker 3) I don't think the RV community should be disturbed due to Hiker

ll0rt, if you get caught with drugs, I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption to think you're doing them. 100%? No. I loathe all people involved in sex with minors. I hint and joke. I have to. It's my defense mechanism. That's how I deal with the topic to a degree. Slanderous wasn't intentional. I admitted I was wrong. Wishing that pedophiles, child pornographers, and PDCP would kill themselves? Well I pretty much stand by that. Eat a bullet creeps.

No, its not a failing of English. It's legal terminology. He's not a pedophile either, that is someone who (either did, or attempted to) had sex with someone under age (the ages vary from state to state, and country to country, some US states its under 12). Try again. What YOU see to be detrimental or otherwise is not what others see. Things in this game have the potential to lead to cause true, outside harm. To simply toss away gambling in game and drinking in game as things that have absolutely no problem at all is a fanciful isn't it? Kids playing these games have a very real chance of growing up not knowing the consequences of these actions. (Swearing was more in regards to it being inappropriate, so we'll leave that aside). There are no real consequences to me getting sloshed, so I'll go out on Friday night and do it! I'll go an gamble because while I won big on RS. Fair enough, but I would argue that someone should not be taking their moral cues from Runescape. May I acronym something to call Hiker? PDCP? Person distributing child pronography? I want something more specific than "sex offender" because some of those people are the legit 18s having sex with 17s. PS, English is a second language for me. I do make mistakes, but I try hard. PPS, Pulli, I get your point, but if Jagex didn't say why they would've been blasted for it. I don't think they should've had to take the hit on this one over a PDCP.

Except he's not a child pornographer. True, but that's more of a failing of english. He clearly engaged in the storing and transfering of child pornography, though no he didn't produce any child porn. I will call him a pedophile instead. llort, you're right, he didn't produce it. I won't call him that anymore. And I mean protecting them from true harm, outside harm. Not protecting them from legit content in the game. I don't think they really need to worry about protecting them from gambling or naughty language. 1) I don't think bad words are a big deal. 2) If you gamble in RS you'll grow to hate gambling. Probably a good thing. 3) Yeah, I don't care much for the drinking, but I don't think it's that dentrimental either.

I think you and I are in the same lonely boat here. Jagex doesn't give a [bleep] about anything except making that money. They in no way care about making the game better or the people who play it. It's a shame this game was made my the UK. Actually, reading the thread, you might find more than the 2 of you upset with their handling and the fact that all tehy care about is the image of the business. And it's tiring to say, but Jagex is a BUSINESS. #1 goal of business - make money. For without money, and without backers (because the people financially supporting Lagex will pull out without returns on their investment), there is NO GAME. No game. Period. That is a rediculous straw-man argument. Go back to the drawing board s0n. And as a business, it's good business in the gaming industry to not associate with child pornographers. I quite agree with their decision. You can say a lot of their busines practices and policy changes as of late, but they've always had a pretty hard line when it comes to protecting kids and I'm glad they stick to it. :thumbup:

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone. Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again. I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult. My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope. Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame: Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries? I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all.... Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something. I distrust the fact that someone who was found to be distributing child pornograhy, regardless of how many people it as shared with, has changed. And everything is A-okay now that it was several years in the past. Especially when they're operating a fan site revolving around a game which attracts teenagers. No matter how you go about it - it doesn't paint a very innocent picture. Hell, the man's probably a gentleman and had no ill-intentions, but really, can we trust that? Is it right for a multi-million pound company to be seen as supporting that fan site? I don't know what kind of content was on their forums, but I know we have a "Post Your Picture Here!" thread, when the forum contains a lot of young players and its being hosted by someone like that...Yeah. Jagex did the right thing, and no they shouldn't have done it discreetly. That's something those people need to know. I find it disturbing that so many people here are upset with Jagex that they are defending a child pornographer. :evil:

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone. Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again. I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult. My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope. Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame: Yeah, just like some people had to war a star with them, you know that 6 point 1. Or how people burned slaves for centuries? I've also managed 23 years without stealing or resulting to violence. Not difficult at all.... Really are any of you adults? You show a total lack of respect for the law & goverment here. From these type of crimes the goverment only releases when the chance on repetition is similar to somebody not comitted this crime in the first place. Saying he is still a danger shows you distrust your goverment: that's quite something. There is quite a difference between respecting the laws of your country and whether or not you distrust your government. Not to mention in the US the wider difference between city, county, state and federal laws. In fact, it really has little to do with government. Hiker did something that involved them and then their involvement ended. Now, it's about Hiker, a citizen, RV a privately owned site, and Jagex a privately owned company. The private company terminated a relationship with the citizen over past indiscretions. And told us why. And pulli, due to much overcrowding of jails by nonviolent drug offenders, another discussion, criminals are released often, despite whether they'll do it again.

I wouldn't say I quit the game, but I have "quit" paying them. They don't listen to feedback so I made my opinion known with my wallet/purse.

I'm in agreeance to be honest. I don't think it's fair to tarnish someone after many years of conviction so publically. Something I definitely take a stance against. Unless he's proven to be a risk right now, which I doubt, I don't think it was fair nor appropriate. It's no worse than a tabloid paper such as the Sun digging up old dirt to tarnish someone. Given the nature of his crime, I think you have to expect at any time for the rest of your life that it might come out again. I mean, I've managed to go 26 years without storing or tranfering pornographic images of teenagers. And you know, it hasn't been that difficult. My belief is simple. If you engage in child pornography or pedophilia in any way, [bleep] you! I'd like to make you wear a large P on your chest for the rest of your life ala the Scarlet Letter. Or better yet, hanging by your neck at the end of a rope. Self-inflicted of course. I don't believe in lynch mobs. :shame:

Everybody needs some pocket change, even Vampyres.

...Fifteen years ago. This is one of the problems with society. People are always trying to hold others' mistakes above their heads, no matter how long ago those mistakes occurred. At some point in time, an individual should be allowed to live and operate without whatever they did in the past constantly throwing the proverbial dark cloud over their head. You're assuming that a man who, in his 40s, engaged in child porn has somehow grown out of it in his 60s. I think it's testament to the fact that his paedophilic instincts remain that he set up an RS fan-site. Dunno, but I think maybe he should've avoided areas that tend to have lots of kids. Probably woud've been a better fit if he joined some Church in Italy... <_< Like I said, I feel bad for the posters on the forums, but not for Hiker.

BTW, sex offenders as a group, by definition of belonging to the group, are a pretty crappy group of people. Muslims by definition aren't awful people. Some are, maybe even a lot, but not all.

...Fifteen years ago. This is one of the problems with society. People are always trying to hold others' mistakes above their heads, no matter how long ago those mistakes occurred. At some point in time, an individual should be allowed to live and operate without whatever they did in the past constantly throwing the proverbial dark cloud over their head. Yes, but in this case we, along with Jagex, know the details. He's not some victim of changing laws. He did some stuff that was clearly very, very immoral. And I'm fine with this coming back to bite him the ass. I don't mesh with pedophiles. Keep in mind, he isn't just a sex offender, he clearly engaged in acts of storing and transfering child pornography. I'm not saying we should chase pedophiles with pitchforks and torches... ... I'm typing it. On another note, I'm gonna leave this thread. I have trouble staying calm talking about pedophiles and I don't need a suspension. Better leave for good then. I have trouble keeping calm around people who try to get justice in their own hands and don't respect law. If you truly believe those things deserve lifelong punishment: stick to your opinion and let goverment change those laws. But don't uphold your own opinion against somebody. I am of opinion that muslims are lazy and only come to drain our taxes. But that doesn't mean I keep this against somebody when he comes to me for a job. Obviously I was being facetious about hunting them down. I think there is a difference between pedophiles and Muslims. I don't agree with lifelong punishment by government, but a private company in a relationship with this person can terminate it for this. And in this circumstance, I don't mind them telling why. i simply will not sympathize with a pedophile. And I uphold my opinion against everyone. But I hold opinions of individuals and hold my opinion of them aginst them. I don't judge an individual on group stereotypes. If the person came to you for a job, was a Muslim, but clearly lazy, you wouldn't deny them the job because they're a muslim, but because they're lazy. They are merely consequential facts.

...Fifteen years ago. This is one of the problems with society. People are always trying to hold others' mistakes above their heads, no matter how long ago those mistakes occurred. At some point in time, an individual should be allowed to live and operate without whatever they did in the past constantly throwing the proverbial dark cloud over their head. Yes, but in this case we, along with Jagex, know the details. He's not some victim of changing laws. He did some stuff that was clearly very, very immoral. And I'm fine with this coming back to bite him the ass. I don't mesh with pedophiles. Keep in mind, he isn't just a sex offender, he clearly engaged in acts of storing and transfering child pornography. I'm not saying we should chase pedophiles with pitchforks and torches... ... I'm typing it. On another note, I'm gonna leave this thread. I have trouble staying calm talking about pedophiles and I don't need a suspension.

Sorry, but it's very hard for me to feel bad about all this. I know it was in the past and maybe he is better, but when you engage in these things, that [bleep] is gonna follow you for life. I feel bad about the forums. Maybe Jagex could apologize to each of the posters personaly. I mean, that's only 8 or 9 people right? :unsure:

Is the BXPW considered this week's game update?

Well, Jagex is a company, not a government. That means they can judge anyone for anything past or present. And frankly, I don't care if thise guy is humiliated. I don't care about the legality of it. It was and still is an immoral thing to do and Jagex clearly said they must follow what they consider moral obligations.

Blood Talisman.

True, so maybe his power they did. Dunno if they underestimated his intelligence. :smile: But still, aside from Jhallan, no Mahjarrat are considered weak, except for perhaps Kharshai.