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Right...Generally you don't fail when building something that takes a day to do.

Jen....honesty I will not remember that you will heal everytime...further healing means they get another shot to attack before you attack....

1) True enough, yet they have the power to do so...So either we take that power, which we shouldn't(because being right does not entitle you to force others to accept it), or accept that they have power. 2) What I was trying to say here was, that the majority (and not necessarily only the majority, any individual aswell) may think 1 thing because he/she does not understand the concept behind it, or only partly understands it. I happen to know of too many people who don't understand that sexual orientaion is not a matter of choice, and perhaps for that reason, think it's wrong to be gay. I agree that people don't understand...but if someone is learning how to drive a car you don't drive it for them...that teaches them nothing and causes them to feel put out. Slow and steady growth is the surest way of progress...not quick legislation fixes. 3) However, gay marriage does not affect those who don't wish to marry others of the same sex directly. Unlike 12 year old girls who obviously are affected by pedophile rapists directly. No more than they are now. It is, after all, not like every man in the world has a secret desire to rape 12 year old girls...the people who want to do it will still do it, whether it is legal or not...The main reason it is illegal is so that the frequency drops, instead of raping and killing 1 girl a week maybe now it will be 3 girls, none dead, in a week. Gay marriage on the other hand hurts dozens of people(the two people and their familes and whatever) illegal, but hundreds of people(Concerned neighbours, and their families, churches, married couples) are hurt by it being legal. The law of the majority means that instead of hundreds of people being hurt by it only hundreds and then only dozens and then only tens or fewer still are hurt by it. Legalising it now hurts far more people than legalising it when people are ready for it. 4) I would say that how people see catholics is fairly important. It draws a direct parallel with gay people.... Lets say an atheist goes on TV and tells you how terrible the catholic church is and how it does so much evil and this and that and the other...and the Pope is meekly trying to point out that that isn't true and actually the church tries to do good wherever it can....Then, as a result of that program, a catholic church gets torched for apparently raping all the choir boys. I would say the destruction of a place of hope and salvation(for some people) is fairly important... 5) In one example maybe...But in another example...say that those 4 men were all black and gay, who had been given some drug to prevent them from being gay and thus now lacked sexual attraction to anyone, but had a sexual aversion to males. Thus there '4 hours' is representative of weeks of reprieve from their frustration, not only that but stands as something which they can now think about, to do with sex, which doesn't violently repulse them because of the drugs. Meanwhile the woman is a criminal who burns black people because they are not equal and thus has been given the sentence of rape to show her that she is not above anyone else. Thus the equation changes significantly from 4 hours on one side and 4 hours on the other, to many months on one side and 'corrective trauma' on the other...Or Poetic Justice, depending on the results The woman has lost nothing but dignity and self respect, yet that dignity and self respect were built of a foundation of making others suffer. The destruction of that dignity represents the settling of a debt she owes. So now is it wrong? I would probably say yes as well, forcing such a situation into action is inherantly unjust and immoral...but what about the men? Is it the Majorities fault now? They are still exploiting the minority....just because the factors have changed shouldn't change your opinions...They have brought their happiness at the expense of another human being's happiness. The men have done the best they could in the situation they were given and, in my mind, that is fair. The Woman has suffered yes...that hasn't changed in my mind(hence why it was hard thinking up something)...It is wrong to rape her personally, as a rule it is wrong. But for them, not having my experiance and perhaps willpower, it is not wrong, it is the right option. But it doesn't. It doesn't only effect gays. Its like saying 'Our pollution only effects us.' We live in a societally diverse world. Everything is interconnected and everything effects everything else. One gay wedding could create both a gunman and a maryta for which society flocks to. One errant kiss could lead to a child experimenting which(I don't know) his brother(we are talking 6 and 7 maybe...too young to know what they are doing but old enough to remember it when they grow up.)....We live in an extremely volatile world. One which we should not be haphazardly navigated by the compass of self interest, but by the steady heading of society...the path which does not cause the waves to crash over the bow of the ships, capsizing society...One only has to look at Weimar Germany to see the dangers of moving too far too fast.... I could just say 'Super Mod', post my views and lock the thread....thereby winning...but somehow I expect that wouldn't convince you I was right.....Odd that...

Cool, the attack will begin tommrow at...10 PM(GMT) shall we say, unless anyone wants it to be later?

Archarnis works on his swordsmanship.

Archarnis wonders if there are any drummers, trumpeters or bagpipists(or something musical) accompanying the troop?

1)Just because 1 person thinks something doesn't make it true either...If we are talking about rape or beastiality then who, bar humans, can decide if it is right or wrong? God? Which God? Morality? Who's Morality? You prove no way of making these decision, except the world according to you. Or by the some total of feelings, as defined by each individual, personally. 2) True. But more people are gaining that understanding. Can that be said for black people? There is no more understanding now than there was when the American Civil War broke out, there is just resentment and oppression of white people. Yeah there is a Black US president....And? Is it because he is equal or is it because he is black? The United States cut a line straight across the country and created racists and equalists(Or whatever). You can be one or the other and if you are a racist then it goes on your record and forever you are a racist. Homosexuality though isn't about it being right or wrong, it is about the shades of 'wrongness'....You can be murderingly against it, then maimingly against it, then verbably against it, then against it, then against it with people you know, then against it involving you, then against it being equal to marriage, then against it being repressed, then against it not being equal, then against hetrosexuality and so on....There are countless shades and so those who are violently opposed to it can slowly come to terms with it, safe in the knowladge that things are moving at a rate THEY are happy with. 3) Fair enough... We will just legalise raping 12 year old children then(unless you happen to be 12 then we will wait till next year) After all, your not doing it, it shouldn't be in your power to stop those who wish to. 4) I am comfortable in my understanding of free speech. I disagree with the concept though. It is highly flawed...People without knowladge forming an opinion and then arguing with people who do have knowladge, on the same level....Its like asking the Pope and a random person on the street what Catholism means to Catholics....The random person on the street is probably not going to be a Catholic, but they will probably give it a go anyway, talking about themselves, people they know or about stuff they have heard about from wherever. People are left feeling that Catholism is something it isn't because someone, who seemingly had authority, was allowed to talk about it with someone who did have authority. Far better is the idea of freedom and life by example....Rather than tell people how to act you show people how to act and then they decide if they want to do as you do. 5) I see. So you are saying 4 hours(for ease) of one person's life is worth more than 1 hour of 4 different people's lives? Personally there is everything wrong with the idea, but going beyond my base reaction I see that it is the 'best', likely, outcome...4 people suffering silently for the benefit of 1 person who is unchanged, verses 4 people who are satisfied, with a slight increase in happiness at the expense of one person who is now suffering silently(or verbally). We don't have to like or agree with the truth, I think that was your first point...the truth is the truth regardless of what we want it to be.

Oh for the love of... Archarnis goes to the Caster Army, he does not take any thing except his clothes(so there is nothing to suggest he has any skill at all) he requests that the town of Ikana be ignored, he is even willing to offer his services as a fighter to ensure the town's survival after the destruction of Exile.

(Run away!)

Mather, being creative is allowed, but you need to go with the flow...This isn't hegemony, being smart doesn't help much...You can just say 'I do this' and then it is a matter of whether me/Ross thinks it is doable at your level. More detail increases the chances of getting more points for a success, but thats about it.

In space there is nothing for them to collide with, thus it would have to enter the atomsphere, becoming a fallout inducing weapon. In any case I think it was decided that Stargate tech was not allowed...

If you want to blow up part of space then go for it...but any explosion that reached the planet would carry the radioactive matter, and thus create fallout, thus disallowing the weapon.

It creates fallout and thus is a fallout inducing weapon and is thus not allowed.

Jen's stuff is usually dismissable. Anyway Archarnis is handed over to Igos for tonight(just to make sure)

Fallout inducing weapons are not allowed.

So its a radioactive material, which doesn't generate radiation when you atomise it?

Oooo ooo ooo!!! The Town Eggs Jen! If Arcarnis is nearby he throws an Egg too.

Mather...you are creating a non-lethal bomb... Sounds like a mild waste of time to me.

...So essentially you have created a system in which I am either immoral or wrong...Or to put it another way I am wrong or I am wrong. As a matter of fact I would say that it would probably be wrong, but if that is what they decided then there is not a huge amount that me thinking it is wrong would accomplish. I, myself, being a homoerotic asexual/frigid gay person(Depending on how insenitive you want to be), would probably not engage in raping 12 year old girls in any case. Also, your view is based on the current majority belief that rape is wrong....Numerous tribes in Africa and South America though see it as being right. Furthermore Europeans considered it to be right(as a minority) as recently as the Iraq war and as recently as the second world war(as a majority). Thus your idea is inherantly flawed, in that the majority is on your side and you are right because of that and because of that I am wrong in believing that the majority is entitle to enforce a view with promotes its own view at the expense of anothers. Also, as a majority, it is decided that rapists are wrong, yet in the natural world they would not be considered wrong, and by morality they are also not considered wrong(since mankind has always taken what it has wanted, and a lot of animal species do the same). Thus you are just inflicting suffering on a minority, some of which have no control over their urges, any more than gay people have control over their urges. There is no real difference in broad terms...Neither gay people or 'child' people are intentionally hurting people, and in many circumstances the 'child' is not against the idea either, and thus is consenting... The only people who are hurt by this substrate(between two consenting human beings) are other people....People like you, who are in the majority and are willing to force people to suffer so you don't have to. (Just to clear up any mis-understandings with the above...the answer to your question is 'If two consenting human beings decide to have sex I would not stop them' # (NB: Rape is non-consential sex between two human adults... Which has 3 keywords...Non-consential, human and adults. Thus I would answer: Yes, it is right that they can vote to allow it. However it would be personally offensive if they actually did it wholesale, where as limited amounts, between consenting pairs, trios or whatever, would be fine.)

(Ross your up, I am not gonna interfer...but of course, if I was, I would say that Anantomy is not something that is widly studied.)

Level 20 Anatomy Level 40 Telekinesis OR Level 40 Healing Magic Required to Bifuricate your blood system.

Isn't Ross' race called The Mechos....?

Kinda depends on Ross too, since he can overrule me(on his nights...which seem to be most nights, come to think of it...), he just choose not to because I can be a headache if annoyed :twisted:

*Mechanised voice* Found wormhole in nebula. Delta One Requesting orders. Send ship through. For Mechos!

No fallout bombing. I will find the file.