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Jen- You heal your arm, then blind yourself. +.1 Healing magic Basically to create an Ice Robe that can do something cool you need to put some real effort in(and get good rolls) almost nothing actually increases your level or anything unless it has been enchanted numerous times, or you are skilled in enchantment.

Igos, there is a band of scouts there, who demand to be given a feast for the victory over Exile, sure to come tommrow.

Jen- No. You fail to heal yourself.

Umbra slightly trains his swordsmanry. +.3

Just to update the Caster army will arrive in 60 minutes.

Jen creates a Ice Plate Robe... Don't think it can turn into a sword.

Umbra- Only three of the refuguees are 'unscared' enough to try swordsmanry.

Ok I am about as ready as I am gonna get =D

He was but he overslept. Ross can I get a stat list?

I think that Tip It should watch QI....there is no end of insightful facts you can pick up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrKxzqJhR8 First minute covers lacation. From Lactation to Linguists A linguistics professor was lecturing his English class. 'In English,' he said, 'a double negative forms a positive. In some languagues, though, such as Russian, a double negative is till a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative.' 'Yeah, right,' piped a voice from the back of the room.

Fairly sure that was a joke, but my grammar senses are tingling. "When I speak Finnish (Incredibly rare) I speak like a book and it sounds silly because nobody doesn't use slang" Should be "When I speak Finnish (Incredibly rare) I speak like a book and it sounds silly, since nobody refrains from slang whilst speaking it." Or "When I speak Finnish (Incredibly rare) I speak like a book and it sounds silly, because nobody speaks Finnish without using slang." Or "When I speak Finnish (Incredibly rare) I speak like a book and I sound silly because, in Finnish, everyone uses slang." I think.

Think of the Urk-Orz as if they were another player...would another player be seriously ticked off if you blew up their planet with a super bomb....Furthermore won't everyone else be rather annoyed with you for destroying the Duna on Set...

Power the Euro-Centric World. :thumbsup:

Certaintly not today. I am here to say that the even session will be moved back to starting at 10 PM GMT. However I think that we could fit it in Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays....After the exams.

I don't mind, so long as it is not overpowered.

So...For example, it is the duty of every rapist to rape as many people as possible. It is the duty for every criminal to commit a crime and for every bigot to engage in bigotry. This is my other side. The part thays says you should be yourself, regardless of everyone around you. However this would involve me sticking my tounge rather far down one guys throat and I know that he, though being gay, would not be happy if I did so. Thus such action is directly bad...Even though it would probably make him only, say 65% uncomfortable, where as it would make me about 500% happier...Even ignoring the consequences of me probably never seeing him again when I left the area I stuck rigidly to the fact that I should not imping on his rights, merely because I felt completely overwhelmed. However I have been in numerous situations in which other people have very much impinged on my rights...But I CANNOT and WILL NOT judge them in the same way I judge myself. Only they can live their lives and thus I must accept, regardless of my personal feelings, that they are doing things for good reason. Thus for me, unless it requires me to take an active role in something, I will not oppose someone doing something merely because I disagree with it(unless, obviously, I am asked for my views) What was the point of that little romp though my life? I have logic and reason on my side, they have logic and reason their side and the people they oppress have logic and reason on their side too. We all have logic and reason on our side and so the idea which makes the most logical sense and the most reasonable sense will be the idea which most people believe in...Thus the majority. Naturally of course it is probably not the most logical or most reasonable or people would not change their minds. So if a woman is naturally stupid then it is ok for man or woman to rape her, because she is only pretending to be in charge of her life... Sigh...My whole argument is about them accepting the change....But consider this, the North where in favour of the abolition of Slavery, but they still saw black people as inferior...They didn't want Blacks in their cities or schools or anything of that kind. How many gay rights activists have said they support it and then plastered a false smile on their face when they saw two men kiss? Looking for longer than was needed because they don't know how to react because their first instinct tells them it is wrong. In this country being gay, at least for me, is not something that is terribly dangerous...most people live by the 'Yeah, live your life, just don't come near or look at me.' These are also people who support gay marriage to your face, but who's first instict when they hear about it is 'Ruddy gays, never satisfied'. Then the can of worms that you open with be much larger than the one I don't open....Since you are forcing it though regardless. In any case its more likely to continue to grow in the current situation...Straight people see gay people suffering and hear them complaining and make the logical jump from A to B that it is wrong and thus have their opinion formed by experiance, as opposed to having a situation forced on them. Wrote the book and brough the tee-shirt =P You would be suprised how innaccurate that can be. When I 'came out' it was not something that people just accepted, it was the subject of constant jeering for probably 4 years of my life. Yet, because I was willing to look those people in the eye, to answer their questions and to be proud of my sexuality I discovered that actually they did want to know what was going on with me...It wasn't just jeering it was the only way they could actually ask questions...because who else can they turn to? Their parents? Unlikely, if you come from a background which hates gay people then asking the people who hate gay people probably isn't a good way to find out about them. Friends? Unlikely, wanting to know about it makes you gay....obvouisly Teachers? No, most of them feel unfortable about it...or better yet give the ever informative 'Its just the same as straight sex'...which it isn't(as far as I know) So they are left with 'gay people' as their sole source of information and the only way in which they can ask is in a jeering way, otherwise their friends might think they are gay too. I had numerous one to ones with people, trying to talk to them about homosexuality, which I barely understood myself...and I have already mentioned the meetings of 10 I had with people. Surrounded by probably the 'hardest boys' in Kent, where I lived, talking to them about homosexuality, in no uncertain terms, having them urghing and laughing and listening intently, we deeply unnerving for me...Imagine being asked about your sex life, asked to describe how your partner looks, how they feel and so on and so forth. Some of these people had families, even themselves, who had gone out gay-bashing...and here I was describing to them what it was to be gay... I think that those four years, despite the jeering of the idiots, were the best years of my life because I actually developed my personality during that period...I stopped being shocked by things and started to see the world as I see it now...In every sense that mattered I was changed from a deeply private person, to someone who was deeply private but had no problem talking about private stuff, if the conversation demanded it. Sounds petty, but perhaps if you tried it you would think differently....Anyway... I understand where you are coming from, but, in my opinion, this is going to happen anyway. The ability to live though it and get married is not going to make huge swathes of teenagers feel better....Nor will listening to their parents condemn how gay people are once against forcing their immoral hands on decent right thinking people(You know how people exaggurate) help them. And? I know straight people who have developed mental illnesses...I know numerous people who had tried to commit sucicide and people who have succeeded. I know people who have been changed by bullying, for better and worse....I know an insane number of people who drink excessively anyway. I also know of a number of cases where they run away from home, I think one case permenantly. It is endemic of a society which forces people into catagories, not only forces people into catagories but into stereotypes....Are you a Gay hater or a Gay Lover or are you Gay...and if you answer the first or last I am gonna beat you up. A rightous goal...but a flawed theory...Gay marriage is like a yorkshire pudding with a roast dinner...It is something that is wonderful and brilliant...but it is an extra. Gay consciencness has been progressing for almost 50 years now, always making slow progress. Or to put it another way....It is like Ice Cream....great on its own, but not so good while eating a roast....you need to finish eating the roast and then you can eat the ice cream. Oh just that I gave the example of the popl and youy said something about the discussion you were having with your civil teacher 'actually being important'...thus I took to mean, that is a dig at Catholics...Thus I was honourbound to right that wrong if I could. Well they always do...It is always their right to not give in or surrender. Just as it is the majorities right to do whatever the hell they want....The underlying principle is that rights do not exist unless they are taken and used in a state of anarchy...which is the world we live in...There are laws, but we choose to apply them, if we chose not to apply them then we would not get instantly killed or punished....some people manage to survive their whole lives without being punished... It is merely the matter that I believe that working with the majority is almost always better than working towards your own ends. As above the minority is always right....Everyone is always right in anything that they do. That is taken as a fact, since people would not and could not do things if they were not right. A man could not rape a child if he did not believe it was the right thing to do...Either because his body tells him to, or because the gun to his head tells him to...or some other reason...he has made a reasoned decision and this is right in his actions....whatever they are. And who decides if the minority is right? They must judge for themselves if they are right... Because rape is cruel and unusual as a punishment, has debatable effectiveness and is a corruption of the process which children are born. Furthermore I agree, each case should be treated equally. However I am treating you and the other one who is arguing with me as the same person. Pollution is thus only the landowners problem...by that logic...It was believed for a long time that, yes there was a problem, but it was each person's duty to himself to work for his own betterment...and thus he could ignore the suffering of others if he was profiting by it...Say you owned a mill which put out thick clouds ot pollution....however it also made important medical goods which saved hundreds of people's lives...Surely then it is ok for the people living around you to accept the situation...if not then tough, they can move. The same blaze idea is happening here... I want this, they want that, I don't care, they can suffer because I am getting married. Exactly. They know they are supposed to team up with the opposite sex...almost everything on TV and in books is to do with the hetrosexual couple. With very little for the homosexual couple there is no code of conduct involved. Further more Boys tend to much stupided that Girls...Girls tend to just be stuck up....at that age, I mean. Perhaps...But I think the idea of worldwide concensus is abhorant...All the culture that would have to be destroyed or mutilated for it to happen...It is not for us to decide how other people live their lives after all...

Apart from Gonna rather than Going To I don't think I use any slang at all... However I know that a Britsh person can say I got completely [insert almost any word]ed last night and other British people will know what they mean they got Trashed, Battered, Brollyed, Slaughtered, Wasted, Gazeboed, Whacked, Booked, Penned, Gattered, Smashed, Gashed...strangely the one word is doesn't work with is Drunk itself.

Yes. I agree. Maybe you should make me shut up. Because that is exactly how a bigot would think(not calling you a bigot, please don't be offended). If they do not get their own way then they take the law into their own hands and do whatever is necessary to prevent what they see as wrong from occuring. This could be violent or verbal...or even legislatory....After all if something like 1 in 20 people are gay and there are 300 million people in the United States...and thus 15 million(approx) are gay....It only takes one of these people to do something stupid...I don't know, say take their child to a gay bar and while there the child has something happen, even if it is not specifically a gay act, it could be as simple as swallowing a pill and going into convolutions. That is all that would be needed to start a public outcry, the platform for one senator/governor/whatever to get elected, start their campaign against Gay Marriage, gaining support from the masses, (which by a majority)... Thus this person could become President or some other high office, and 4 years of American policy would destroy any progress that had been made and set back progress for countless years. How is my idea any different? Because there is a oh so obvious flaw in that plan....it could happen to any parent who goes to a club with their child: If the majority are in this mindset that 'Gay people are equal to us' then it is just a news story. If the majority are in the mindset of 'Gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married, I resent the law that says they can' then it becomes this state/national campaign of hate. Then it would depend on how I have acted. If I have been courteous, responded with decency and fully explained my points and reasoning, then you look like a fool...Someone who does not understand and is not willing to understand. If I have merely rambled, made bad examples and lost my temper, then I sound like someone who is clutching at straws...not really someone to be trusted. I see our fundamental difference...You are thinking that I would stand in front of a room and go 'Hello, I am gay and I am here to talk to you about gay marriage.'... I am not. That has a 1 in a million chance of getting though to anyone, depending entirely on people asking questions and getting involved. No. I am thinking much more along the lines of me living my life and talking to people who are interested in my sexuality, answering any questions they might have in a honest way and if, at the end of all that, they decide that I am still inferior to them then they are the 1 in 10 that I don't get though to. I have had opportunity to do this maybe 13 times in my life, almost always there is someone who is not listening, however there is always at least one person asking, usually two or three. The crowd is only about 10 people, but if I get though to those 3 people then that is a major achievement because they are almost always the loudest, the ones who the group want to talk for them, so by convincing 3 people out of 10 I am not convincing 3 out of 10 but more in the range of 9 out of 10 because that group of 10 people will go away and talk about it and the 3 people I got through to will hold the majority in their sway. The one idiot is dismissed because his or her views are commonplace, they don't add anything new and so are ignored or accepted without thought, thus are left unprocessed. Believe me this is not just me coming up with some silly idea, I have lived this system and it has worked and continues to work. Those 9 people might have 3 children each, thats 27 people who are, potentially, willing to accept gay marriage. That is ignoring their parnters, of course, people who they randomly chat to or any number of other scenarios, all of whom potentially will and potentially won't be convinced. That is not my concern, I cannot do anything about them, all I can do is talk to the 10 people when they are within my reach and plant the seeds. Really? Would you vote for that then? As I said before, is it a secret wish of every person to go out and rape someone? I know I have some strange ideas from time to time, and I have definately found myself thinking about the possibility of doing, but never in any realistic fashion... Perhaps it would be a better system if we did do that then...Rather than all shying away from these darker feelings we should actually admit them...then we would realise that we don't need to put on such an act, we can just be ourselves. I am doing so, as explained. Quite simply? I was asked for my opinions and then I was engaged in a debate, thus I acted to fufill the role I had been given. Two people have expressly disagreed with me, but that has not ended the debate, since they both seem willing to continue to engage in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm-05o3o1Po&feature=PlayList&p=DE530A1E6239F416&index=22

Hopefully 8. I am back at uni and will be revising heavily over the coming days so I will be finishing around 12

Yes. I know...So your population for Erikios is 10 people...was 10 people?

Remind me then.

Yes, I got the joke...Or I assumed it was a joke. The point is that me discussing someting is not me stopping you from doing anything...Something which I have always avocated, what I am 'fighting' against is the idea that you can just wave a magic sheaf of legislation and all the problems will go away. So I was pointing out that me locking the thread, rather than letting the majority discuss it and then decide, would not convince you of my argument....now would it? Far better to let it run its course and then we can both learn from the experiance....becoming more educated and maybe a little more tolerant. It is not within my power to let you convince me, with your current arguments, that my argument is faulty...any more than it is within two hunter's ability to convince a bear to give up its life...it must be taken(You must create the argument to defeat me)! Thus I am the rebellious minority, fighting against the oppressive power of the majority by way of trying to educate...Not despotic individual convinced of my own rightness to such a point that all discussion is pointless because my arguements are final.

Yay!!!! On an unrelated note: A mysterious illness erupts on Erikio. Killing 90% of the population per year. Unless of course Retech is still living in Tunnels? In which case there is an alternate disaster.

There is always a chance of a low roll....