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Sigh... http://www.spooksbooks.com/downloads/book4.pdf (Random reading on Witches and Spooks) I say I will be offline for 2 days and Mather tries to pull a coup d'états. Summoning a Familiar usually involves a massive sacrifice, on the order of 30 levels for a level 50(Overall, not including double hearts and such), since they never die(Well they die and are resurrected) and can do anything that you can(All be in on a much smaller scale). Ares has one because random events conspired to give him one. That said though, if he was to summon an elemental, and then go around collecting clouds he could make it bigger...but would lose control of it, since after doubling in size less than 50% knows who Hakon is. Run away!!!

I disagree as well. However there is a very simple example that can be used...Taxation. If I were to say, 'Ok, I have decided to increase my happiness by making the Star Control Movie, and to finance it I will charge every citizen of the United States and Britain 1 Cent/Pence per year.' There would be uproar...the very tinest amount of suffering, a mere 0.0004 decrease in something like 300 million peoples lives, while there would be a very massive increase in my happiness and the happiness of people who watched the film(A combination of Me and a Computer game, how could it go wrong?). Its not lazy, it is merely the correct way of doing it. Not the way I like to do it, but it is the correct, societially correct, way of judging whether or not something is good for society. Indeed. However this is not 'Gay people have the right to be gay' this is 'Gay people have the right to asks the government for a title.' There is a lot of emotion and such tied up in the request, and that should be counted...But there is also a lot of emotion tied up in the oppositions argument. Who are we to judge which has the greater extent of suffering? After all there could be one straight person who will kill themselves if marriage is 'corrupted'. Surely that is a greater suffering than say a gay person who is rather put out about not being able to marry. Unless you were to go though society, somehow measuring the strength to which people believed in their argument and somehow measured the emotional weight related to it then Voting is the only real option. It assumes that everyone has a value of 1 and thus can decide whether they are for or against...measuring their own emotional weight and ect before delivering a considered view, in the form of a vote. You could say that... It is one of the main arguments for slavery and eugenics(they were the two that sprang to mind, if I think of a good example I will add it). I suppose the main issue with that policy is how do you decide who is going to be the few? There is also a much greater capacity to actual do with a minority....A majority will take years to do something, where as a minority can get it decided in a matter of hours and start the wheels turning within a day. But do they do great good....or great evil? What if, after everything, it was decided that Sarah Palin was the leader of this 'Few'? It would roll back civil rights for hundreds of years, instead of advancing it by hundreds of years, as you want to do....I much prefer to see it take a natural hundreds of years and guide it as and when (I have to go, so sorry for cutting this short)

Apologies for not getting the Games done. I will get them done saturday or when I get up, if I can. :thumbdown: Exaustion and moving

Ok. If Ross wants to run tonight then he can. I have been up for 27 hours straight dealing with last nights Dungeoneering and a number of issues which occured today. I will probably not be on tommrow either. I shall give Ross all the information that I can think would be important based on what is going on.

Indeed, as does spaying or neutering an animal. One is an act of violation and the other is an act of mutilation done for the convenience of mankind. Banning gay marriage is a violation of the rights of the minority done for the convenience of the majority. Gay marriage is a violation of the rights of the majority for the benefit of the minority. Indeed, and yet are treated with such repulsion that it may as well be outlawed because it can only ever be done in secret. Indeed and slowly the world accepts this. Indeed, and yet the nosy neighbour can get them arrested under terms of false imprisonment or assault or even rape, due to the fact that one may shout 'No' as an involuntary response. Indeed, nudists harm people when they leave their designated zones. Such a designated zone exists, such as Canada, in which gay people can marry without offending the majority. Indeed, there is a clear and decisive reason. Cyclists, though obviously not dangerous in themselves, may lead to an experience, in which one or more people may have their lives altered forever. Just as gay people, while not inherently dangerous in themselves may, indirectly, lead to one person discovering their feelings for the same sex, leaving their partner of the opposite sex and children in order to pursue their feelings. Indeed, another clear and defined reasons and the same applies. Motorists are not intentionally dangerous, they merely happen to be incorporated into a lump of metal which is deadly. Gay people, in themselves, are not inherently dangerous to society, but marry them they become offensive, invoking the hostility of others, the abandonment of marriage in others, the corruption in the minds of others of ideals that they hold dear. Laws are present to prevent others from being injured, even if the motorist themselves do not intend to injure. Indeed, and yet should someone chose to become a slave there is no option to. They may chose to go though the motions, but they can never actually become a slave. Similarly gay people cannot become married. They may go though the motions but they can never actually become married. Indeed, children are hurt every day by starvation and yet we refuse them the right to work. We refuse them the right to earn a wage, should they so choose to. We prevent someone from working, not because of any industrial reason, but because they are of a certain age, because we deem them to be too young to work. Similarly we prevent gay people from marrying, not because of any moral reason, but because they are both of a certain sex, because we deem them unsuitable for marriage. Indeed, no one group should ever dictate the laws of the land, it must be a combination of the citizens collective mindset which decides the course of a country. Not the self appointed leaders of industry or morality. The Majority must decided and be protected from those wishing to control them. Indeed, no one man should decide the path of a nation, nor one organization. People should make their own minds up, deciding for themselves, not being directed to a choice by the media or the government or any group. Should gay marriage be legal? That is a matter for the majority to decide. Not as The Majority, the faceless masses, but The Majority, the Individuals. Each man, woman and child should decide, in their own mind, what is right and what is not and then live by that code. They should work in their own interest to promote their opinion, but never should they enforce it on another man, woman or child. To do so would undermine the very nature of individualism, the concept which gay marriage is built on, the concept that two people, regardless of sex, should be allowed to live in the style they chose. Indeed we back ourselves into a corner. To fulfill our goal we must first betray our goal. Thus we must win on our own terms. We must not betray freedom to achieve freedom. We must let people decide for themselves and once enough people have decided for themselves we will win our victory and not sit with the sword of Damocles above our heads.

I would say not, but in truth I don't think it will make the greatest difference if he decides to attack. Cannons at the ready!

=P When are you on?

Ok then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYMziGcWuY Done for the night.

Fair enough, you rolled a 20 so...

Are we all done?

Igos- They mainly consist of dock workers(perhaps send them to work with the stone masons?)

(Personally? Yes. If Exile is going to get destroyed then more refugees from Potsdell will probably stop Ikana getting destroyed as well. That said...I don't like the anti-magic lot)

Archarnis- Five more Potsdel refugees have turned up.

Igos- 12 Gold Pieces each.

Igos slices the knot in half and is rewarded with 100 Gold Pieces by a thoughly angry shop owner.

Grim- About the size of a mountain. Anyway the tunnel, you conclude, would be too long.

Jen summons a water elemental, which also seems disinterested.

Grim- You can....However the Volcano would be around the Alter, you can't farcast it really...

Jen- The elemental tries to wander off.

Igos fails to loosen the knot. Archarnis discovers that Linseed can be woven into bow strings, the seeds themselves can be used to create a weak healing potion. The Mixed seeds contained Corn, Wheat, Rye, Rice and Maise.

Hakon You find 5 discarded gold coins after digging.

Archarnis convinces the shop keeper to provide some information in exchange for 50 Gold Pieces +.3 Herblore. Igos The knot seems incredibly complicated.

Archarnis arrives at the Apothcathy just as it is closing up. Igos is told about a knot that is claimed to be un-undoable.

Grim creates an Alter near Caster(10 minutes)

Hakon The battlefield has already been looted or recovered.