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=P Generally when I stop using vowels in half the words it means I am not being serious. :rolleyes: Sigh, do you know what "Ostensibly" means? There is so little 'Spam' here...We don't have '+1' or 'I agree' posts. We talk about things, yes. Since when was talking about things against the rules though? Removing the post count thingy was a totally meaningless act...as they said at the time...So if they told you something different they are either lying to you or lying to us, and since we didn't have a particularly high spam to post ratio (During Dungeoneering it was something like 1 to 200 posts) it seems fairly obvious that they forgot why they did it because it wasn't very important, and so fell back onto 'It was Spam' because that is the nominal reason. Though you are implying that it was punishment for not reporting stuff... On a non-serious note, I think it was because I was closing in on Tripsis' post count \:D/

:-( Y u no lk @ mine! Archi: Active Posts: 14,281 Mather: Active Posts: 10,297 =P Actually, if I remember correctly it was during Dungeoneering... a period of high activity and high content. Some of us (Mather and Me spring to mind) then went and posted that we were the most active forum. Within a month we had the posting count priviledges removed and a bunch of people posting that 'They didn't think it was important'. Sorta like setting fire to a barn because you don't think it is important... On an unrelated note:

1120 - 1141: You'll be stone dead in a minute [hide] Duke Oliver: In the wake of his Father's death, Good Duke Nicholas, Oliver finds a Demense that is stable, and a Kingdom that is not. War between Germany and Leon, and Germany and Bohemia rages...And troops are constantly being called up, leaving fields barren. It is only by the great fortunate than Grandfather Archi left specific instructions detailing how greater farming yields could be gathered in times of desperation, keeping the wealth flowing, even in this desperate hour. These decisions did not, however, go down well with the King, and, in the hopes of one day inheriting tht throne, the measures were dropped, leading to short term starvation, before the ideas were adopted again, in secret. Then, merely half a year later, the Old King is found dead, hanging from the rafters. Offical inquiry show it was bandits, but all know that the King, under the pressure of Kingship, couldn't take it any more, and so committed the ultimate sin. In his place the aging Rupprecht d'Ardennes comes to the throne. In wany ways a poor choice for the Kingdom he inherits, that does not need more war, to more land, but for stability and peace. Rupprecht gives neither and soon a war with France is started. The inheritance of the German throne also folds the Duchy of Lower Lorraine into the Kingdom of Germany, and the Elective Law Nature of the Kingdom means that now Great Great Uncle Henrik's Son's Son (Second Cousin Once removed) will not inherit the Duchy, as was his birthright. Oliver wrings his hands and only hopes that the connection to two Great German families will ensure he will never want for anything. However, back in Lubeck Oliver decides it is time for decisive action. The war in France, like the war in the East and South, shows all the signs of turning into a stalemate. And through our many morale victories we are able to bring the war to an end, with Rupprecht recieving the province of Besancon. With peace made the Kingdom is free to concern itself with fighting Leon and Bohemia, making some progress with both. Attention in Lubeck is soon focused elsewhere though, as Uncle Greg declares war, and launches a suprise attack on Lubeck, where Uncle Henrik organises an impromptu milita, and secures the battlefield, but not before taking an arrow to the chest. The wound soon proves debilitating and his son, Thomas, is called up as the new Marshall, with troops from Altmark to finish the battle. But, as the siege begins another throws his hat into the ring: And Oliver is furious! How dare he! This war, a long time coming, has nothing to do with the Church! An angry letter is sent and nothing more is said on the matter. Soon enough Rostock falls and is incorporated into the Demense, and Greg is allowed to remain in Rostock Castle, underguard, until he can find new lodgings. "In recognition for his many years of service, Henrik von Alaric, as of this day, November Ninth, in the one thousandth, one hundredth and twenty third year of our lord Jesus Christ, is granted Countship of Kexholm and Vodi, which he himself won from the Finnish Hoards during the reign of my Father, Nicholas von Alaric" His first action is to appoint wicked uncle Greg as his Diocese Bishop. Good soon takes his vengence and Walpurga is soon dead, wife of Thomas, Henrik's Eldest Son. With another year to recover Oliver launches an invasion of Breman, only to have it cut short by King Rupprecht so more troops can be called up for the war with Leon. The occupied territories strech from Moderna to Lombardia, all of the Italian Holdings of the German Kingdom. With defeat imminent Duke Oliver takes the only step avaliable to him, and consults the moneylenders. Before the troops even reach the frontline a debt of 500 Gold is run up. Another five months it takes to relieve the lines...Rupprecht venturing as a solid mass of soliders, some twenty thousand strong, against enemies that number not in the thousands but in the hundreds. But, with the threat to the Kingdom gone, costs are cut immediately. A debt of 1,206 Gold now hangs heavy in the air though. And yet, within seven months the frontline is perilous once again. Why? The second invasion of Bohemia! A single province, the rump, cut off during the last decade during battles with England and Germany. And now THE ENTIRE German army fights that province! With this 'Great Victory' in hand Rupprecht marches south once again. Near completly ignoring the armies of Flanders, that now control the Imperial city. It is a small miracle that the Kingdom did not collapse there and then! There is also sad tidings from the north, Great Great Uncle Henrik, master of the sword, has died. With his Son, Thomas, our Marshall, taking his place. Una O'Brian soon takes advantage of her Husband's (Oliver) weakened position, demanding an alliance with her Uncle, and the King's First Cousin, by Wicked Greg, Elliot, Duke of Meath and Leinster! Oliver feels he is increasingly surrounded by idiots, as news reaches him that the battle of Liege, the Imperial City, has failed to retake the city. Truely King Rupprech's reign of Terror cannot be over soon enough. One small piece of good news is the death of some unknown relative, Gisela, Duchess of Alsace. After a day of searching the family records Oliver gives up and decides not to send his condolences. The Land quickly comes of increased use as it is given to Rudger von Veldenz, count of Sundgen, a Vassel inherited from Good....Whatever she was....Gisela. With his own father technically illegitimate, Oliver chooses to extend common courtesies to all those born outside of wedlock. The decision is not looked kindly upon....In the past Archi's decision was backed by the clear evidence of witchcraft...Now it was to become common? Oliver sells Wolgast Forest, in compensation, to the Nobles, and is finally back in the black aft near four years...and yet within a month the Church is asking for handouts. Oliver, remembering the church's interferance in the Rostockian war...and the scathing remarks made in place of Beatification of his father...No the church was plenty rich enough...Plenty rich enough indeed... The Kingdom was still in a sorry way. While Oliver attempted to improve relations in the North, with Denmark, in the west and south the Empire crumpled like dried out blood pudding. King Rupprecht continued to fight two wars with one army, making no real headway in either direction. The East, at least, was static, if only because the Papacy and overextended English Empire were unwilling...or incapable...to seize on the German weakeness. While, in the South East, the Kingdom of Croatia was forming...a threat to the Kingdom if ever there was one. It was there and then Oliver made his momentous vow, the vow that the Leader of the Holy Roman Empire could not be chosen by men...Even by men of God. No, only God could choose Kings, only God would not be swayed by promises of titles and of victories that none could achieve. A King such as Rupprecht could never be allowed to happen AGAIN! To the North Svend Knytling scumbles to an old war would, place Harald in charge. The young king, recently returned from the Court of Holstein, a close friend of Oswald von Alaric, future Duke of Holstein. However he is a sickly child, the Danish Worms thick in his stomach. But, he has survived many years, and so young Paulyne, the youngest daughter of Oliver, is sent North to learn from the Noble Danish. Perhaps in responce to this, perhaps having merely waded through the sea of Gold to gind a letter not stuffed with Marks, a letter from Lance von Ratzeburg, Diocese Bishop of Lubeck and perpetual thorn in the side of Oliver von Alaric. Summoned eastwards, to the Papal Seat of Sieradzko-Leczykie, and there, in no uncertain terms, he decried the Bishop's claims and did so challange Pope Sfondrati that the elderly man did not speak for several hours after. On returning to Lubeck a letter of apology lay on the desk, but Oliver merely threw it in the fire. There were other matters to attend to. Matters such as Lance von Ratzeburg. But, as it turned out, Lance decided that he could not stand having cursed the good name of Duke Oliver any longer. That he had been so consumed by his incorrectity that he had branded the words 'I was wrong, let all know that Good Duke Oliver is a better christian than I.' then to have shaved his head with a blunt razor and then battered himself to death with the Branding Iron. Oliver only said 'Tragic' before inexplicably having to leave. With yet another year of war behind them, the pagans of Mecklemburg rose up, only to be savagely put down by local catholics, enraptured by their Duke's Divine Majesty. In return for their loyalty food was sent from Lubeck, aiding the Catholics in their fight and ending the brief riots. On the Western Front the amassed armies of Germany finaly defeated the child Duke of Flanders, merely eight years old, while the south had returned to the 'Old Frontline' state of being. As young Oswald comes of age the southern front is again secured by sheer weight of numbers. Meanwhile the illegitimate spawn of Una is bullied at school, and the German rearguard at Cremont is routed. As Rupprecht again turns to face the hydra that is Leon, Modern and Parvia are attacked, and as they are finally put down, more fresh troops arrive in Genoa, ready for a counter offensive. As Winter turns into Spring the Germany army marches North, away from the front lines. When questioned the King answers 'We must make ready for the next Winter Offensive.' And STILL the German Vassels wait, unwilling to jepodise their great nation just to save a few thousand innocent horses and blacksmith hours from being needlessly given to the peasents. At home Oliver has taken less of an interest in the war, and is instead considering young Abraham, his second son...The nose is definately wrong... But happier times are surely ahead as Oswald marries the improbably named 'Justa Capet', sister to the King of France. Her name however soon proves a useful tool as she is made spymaster for Holstien. Mere days later Justa has resolved a long outstanding issue: And the war with Leon peters out, neither side having made any real progress in the last decade. To the North Harald, King of Denmark, has died, leaving his only son, Hardknut Knytling to rule. In England several decades of expansion has left the de Normandie line void of male heirs, and so the line dies out, replaced with the de Hauteville line...And still, as death stalks the rulers of Europe, Rupprecht d'Ardennes survives!!! And soon another war is declared...though at least it is a crusade this time. With Oliver in a foul mood he is in no mood for the argument that is brought before him, and what began as a brother-sister argument ends in exile. Though soon relents. And then, finally, some good news: The Wicked King Rupprecht has died. Church bells ring throughout the country. It seems that, while he had suffered many illnesses in his time, fought in many battles, and visited many foreign places, what, in the end, polished off the old King was a simple blow to the head by a low hanging rafter. Immediately following news of his death, Oliver, King Oliver, called the Reichstag to vote on a matter known as 'Measures of the Liege' at the time, though would later be regarded as the Golden Bull of 1136. The Measures assigned linear succession rights to the von Alaric family, adopted from the Danish court, ensuring that all titles would go to the strongest child, making important distinction that it was not enough to merely be the Eldest. Thus limiting the Reighstag's role to choosing between two or three brothers, rather than the bribes and such that had lead to the rise of Rupprecht. There were, of course, dissenters. A minority, but still sizable, and as Oliver walked away from the former Imperial Palace, at Liege, that evening, he knew that the next few months, maybe years, would be hard...and the Roman people could ill suffer another poor ruler. He now shouldered a heavy burden. His second act was to secure the East under Ludwing von Steutztingen, the Duke of Bavaria. While he was gruff, and they had never had much cause to talk to each other outside of the Reichstag, he knew him to be loyal, and more importantly, capable. Handing over the Imperial territories in the East Baravia became the Grand Duchy, the first of the three Oliver intended to create. The East was not a major concern though. The English and Hugarian armies had posed no threat in the past, and the war with Croatia was soon being negotiated away. The last thing Germany needed was a needless war right now. The South and West would require a short, sharp, war with Leon's Vassels. They needed to be shown the error of their ways at the earliest convinence. The only further concern in the boarder lands as the extended boarder with France, but they were engaged in war with England, and as long as they did they would prove an annoyance, more than a threat. The North was, quite simply, not a problem, beyond some of Leon's Vassels. With the situation summed and in hand, Oliver invited Nandor Csak, Governer of the Republic of Pisa to light refreshments in Liege, still the adminstrative heartland of Germany, despite Oliver's best wishes...Pisa was a large Republic, controlling most of Northern Italy, and had resisted several wars with Leon...If anyone could provoke and hold the Spanish Dogs, it would be Nandor. The second Grand Duchy was created. Then, he gave orders that Flanders be restored, and the Imperial Demense in the West was assigned to it's care. The Third Grand Duchy was created. Together the three Grand Duchies, and the Grand Duchy of Holstien, would form the crux of the German Empire. Ensuring peace and prosperity. Within a month Croatia had agreed to peace in exchange for Germany dropping claims on Novagord. A few months later Oliver made peace with the Muslims, and began training his forces for the war with Leon. As it happened this war began within a year. Leon, now at war with Aragon, and losing dramatically, drew troops from all corners of their empire, leaving the lands themselves undefended. While the former King would not make such a blunder, the new King, a three year old, was in no position to argue with his Marshal, who's only concern was retaking the Royal City. Even had their armies not been departing, the Grand Duchy of Holstien could take the army, out manning them by over a half. When the war began it was minor, far less than any expected, given the perpetual war fought only a half a decade ago. Within six months, though soliders still fought, the fighting was done. As troops were demoblised, ready for the harvest, with only the army of Moderna and Cremona still fighting the breakaway state of Lucca, a runner from Croatia arrived. With glorious victory behind him King Oliver merely shouted: "How could I resist the chance to fight a real army?" Before charging forwards, down into the throng of battle. At his side were his Retainer, and personal guard...and several hangers on, including the Archer Chief of Moderna, leaving his troops in the hands of his less capable lieutenant. With victory at hand the Luccian army began to flee and the lieutenant ordered his men open fire. As the arrows peppered the battlefield Good King Oliver, saviour of the German people, caught an arrow to the chest, and was dead a few moments later. So then, choices: 1) The Byzantine War a) Not worth fighting. b) We should honour our Father's wishes and fight with our allies until they stop. c) CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2) Succession a) Though many supported Oliver, Oswald, his son, doesn't have the same...aura. We need to re-establish Elective Law, or face decline again. b) There is no way we can return to Elective Law as it was, a new system must be devised(Please elaborate) c) There is no reason to change it yet. 3) The war with Leon a) Now that we have freed the Vassels we should opt for a peace as soon as we can. b) We have claims on the throne of Leon, it should rightfully be ours! c) War with our fellow Christian is wrong, we should pay them compensation. (not entirely sure how, since I am 2060 Gold in the hole for some reason) [/hide]

Psht, you should get Crusader Kings. Try doing the smackdown on Muslims that aren't horribly nerfed.

Hmmmm, two things: One, hands to the back of your head and cradle the two lumps there. Should be on a level with your ears. Then gently push up. Usually relieves minor headaches as long as pressure is applied. The second is more drastic. Put your hands to your eyes, so your palms are in your eye sockets (closing your eyes is preferable :thumbup: ). Then apply gradually increasing pressure. This will cause some pain/unknown sensation. You then have to 'look' really hard(With your eyes covered and pressure applied still), and this will again, hurt/feel strange, and you will see alot of light and such. Then, when you feel like you can't take it any more, let go. You will be momentarily blinded by the coloured light, but your headache should be lessened, if not gone. Bearing in mind what you are doing in both cases is altering the way blood flows around your brain, so it isn't treating any underlying condition, and given time it will return. Though it helps me :grin:

And Freud said insanity wasn't communicable...

And the winner is....2, 2 AND 2. :rolleyes:

Any particular reason they can't? I mean, we do a fairly good job of ignoring the majority of things. You know, the 3 million Americans in prison. The millions dying in Africa. All the Animal Cruelty. Politics as a general subject... We ignore most things unless they are shoved under our noses.

Stork....Yes. That is basically what happens. Though if you disagree about something, and they are willing to go to war over it...then it doesn't really matter if you talk about it or not...you are going to go to war over it. So you can either surrender in your office or you can surrender on the battlefield...And with such easy victories bullies just get stronger at expense of everyone else. Also, look at America. They persistantly ignore the rest of the world...take, for instance, the embargo against Cuba, which has been denounced by every country, including the United States, in the United Nations...and yet it persists.

So what you are saying is...You don't have any self control? Have you told the police about this? I mean you might go rob a bank cause you want it. Or other unspeakable evils. *Shakes head* Your argument relies on people not taking responsibility, and your answer to that is to give all the responsibility to one person and blame them when things go wrong. If there was ever a system that wasn't going to last long, it was going to be that system. I mean, its been what? 60 years since we went from lots of independant countries to virtually no independant countries, because we constantly just give power to someone else, until there is a despot leading us. Your 'answer' is the reason why there is a problem.

Imagine, if you will, you are the leader of a country. You stop caring about what others countries think. I think I just killed your argument Nex.

Its a book called On War. 'War is politics continued by other means'

Nex, really? Cause it seems to me that thousands of people around the world, if not million, are capable of living without politics. I mean, almost none of us here take the slightest interest in politics and yet the world goes on. If those politicans suddenly stopped existing then what would have actually changed? You argument is baseless, and yet shared by so many people that it has to be followed...That is the nature of politics, it exists because it exists, because it exists.

Exactly. Everything was justified, everything happened for a reason...and still some people feel they have a right to condemn.

Yeah, the only two options... Or, you know, we could stop screwing around in other countries and let them do their own thing. That would stop politics too. Or, even, you know, just take responsibility for ourselves, rather than spouting cliches about how terrible things are.

Nex, there was a reason they shot him. They didn't just wander out, mindlessly pull out a gun and shoot someone. They did it because they believe he was a threat. The exact same justification any dictator or tyrant has ever used, and any democracy or constitutional state.

Sigh... America, a land where 1% of the population is in prison, a higher proportion than any country ever, and a county where there are more black children in prison than in college. Truely, Land of the Free. But hey, its just Politcs Lolz.

Well that wasn't needless, that was accidently. I mean if you saw someone who might have a gun then you are somewhat inclined to shoot them. Thats basically what the police did. It is all entirely justified, which is my point. And Nex...how is it a bad example? We are invading a country for disagreeing with their civilians. Now we are injuring and killing our own civilians because they disagree with us. It is directly the same.

Its not exactly needless. Police shoot an unarmed man. People Riot. Government condemns the people.

Have you heard the news? Libya and Syria and discussing a peace keeping initiative in Britain after the British Government commited gross and inhuman acts against its citizens when they rebelled against an unjust Government. Sarcasm: Sometimes the only way to make people question the offical responce

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4NCPlm7GBk&feature=related (Not avaliable in my country, so lets demonstrate why the internet gods chose to deny it)

Correcting:

"Going beyond the impossible." Now for people who understand English: "Doing something difficult." :rolleyes:

Ah, you mean a game like that... Well, I would probably suggest Facebook. They have plenty of Kingdom builder games, so whatever system they use. That or Minecraft/Terraria, since that has building/fighting mechanics. But Party Based would mean that you get 3+ people together, and you all work together to build a town or fight in the army or whatever. MORPG would mean you get 1-2 people, and you are pretty much out to conquer the game on your own. Word of warning about 3D games, they become increasingly harder to build as time goes on, and even high end games end up using fades to 'build' stuff. Also, if you have stuff explode or get hit by anything then things can get unreasonably complicated...so you need a fairly robust game engine and computer. To me is sounds somewhat like you are trying to rebuild HnH, but with jobs, instead of just playing it your own way.