keutel_force

this item is not members only (even thought it requires a member quest to get, I had the guard who delivered it to me a couple of minutes ago, and I'm already an f2p for 8 months), and even on an f2p server it still says 'armadyll communiqué, so it is not members only.

ts_stormrage, that was a nice one! and I take it you are from Holland hehe If RS were from Mexico, we would all wear sombrero's and drink tequila If RS were from Belgium, it would soon be split up into a southern and a northern part. If RS were from Belgium, we would be able to pee anywhere (a symbol of belgium is Manneken Pis, a statue of a little boy who is peeing) If RS were from Sweden, our farming would be higher than our woodcutting, as you would have to plant two new trees for every tree you chop

yeah, I was already afraid for this. I hope you won't have to lock it. to next post: he means that there are too many complaints about the recent updates / posts that can hurt people (like the nazi-post) well dudes, I am off for the night (it is 11.30 pm here) I hope that when I come back tomorrow I can see that my topic is not locked and that there are many new funny posts. on topic: If RuneScape were from Belgium, we would be able to make potato chips and waffles.

thanks for all your replies! but please dont bring up too many things like nazi and stuff

So, if RuneScape would be from an other country, what would be different? examples: If it were from any other country, there would be no tea in your house (note: RuneScape is from the UK) If it were from Germany, there would be 50 different kinds of sausages and beers, and the Freaky Forester would get his own quest series (or is that from Austria?) If it were from the United States, Pking wouldn't be gone If it were from France, there wouldn't ever have been PKing If it were from Iraq, we would be able to fill frogs with nitro (like from Digsite Quest) and shoot them with the fixed Device (people who finished Mournings End part I know what I mean :P) and more examples from you!!!

I'll sum up the advantages and disadvantages of useing the banker inside the dungeon Advantages: - You choose which Runes you use, in your case Fire Runes -You only have to stack up 1 kind of Runes, while with the Teleport you need 2 (Law and Astral) Disadvantages: -You have to run back to the entrance, trough all the monsters. -If you want to use Prayer, you'll have to run further, to the Altar. -If you use Pouches, you have to pay him 2 times, as you withdraw Essences, fill your Pouches, open Bank (and pay) again and withdraw Essences again. If you use Giant pouch, it would even take 3 times, so 60 Runes. So, it is good if you haven't got the requirements for Ourania Teleport, but I think it has too many disasdvantages to use it.

i added a map of the dungeon itself and some information about the monsters in it. If the guide needs something more, reply :P

to insertmyname here: there are level 85 mages, rangers and warriors, aswell as some small animals and Zammorak runners that don't hurt you. If you use the things I advise, you should not need to eat when you are at bank, but when you get unlucky, you might need to heal a bit, but I never had to (I have 81 Defence, 75 Magic and 70 Ranged). With 70 Defence, you shouldn't have too many troubles, just run and pray :P. I guess it is around 0-5hp each round.

Yeah, I know, but I have my own hosting, but those pictures don't show up (see the "no-picture sign" below the first image ==> if I right-click on it, and select "view image" (I use FireFox), then I get it, but in the post it doesn't show up).[any advice on it would be welcomed :P]

okay, I'll include the information

Thanks for the agility report, I removed the second one. I am still working on it, pictures will be added today or tomorrow, and then I'll bring some structure in it, clear out typo's, and add my further experiments. *EDIT* Pictures are added (however only in cropped version, the normal doesn't seem to work (it shows the sign of no image), titles are boldened, some typo's are removed.

Welcome to my first guide ever, it is about the Zamorak Mage Institute Altar (Z.M.I.-altar) what is the Z.M.I. Altar? It is an Runecrafting altar where you get random runes, but for double of the experience, eg. an air rune: 10 exp. The higher your Runecrafting level, the higher the chance for better Runes, even blood and soul runes can be crafted, so you don't need a certain Runecrafting level to be able to make certain Runes, but higher Runecrafting gives a better chance to get them. Where is it? In a dungeon at the Zammorak Altar west of the Khazard Battlefield (the place where you can catch Red Salamanders). The roads to the ZMI altar: 1: Tree Spirit (Khazard Battlefield) 2: Tree Gnome Village 3: Watchtower 4: Hot Air Balloon (Castle Wars) 5: Duel Ring (Castle Wars) 6: Ourania Teleport (Lunar Magics) Here is a map of the dungeon. Not all the monsters are on the map, but the most important are. There are also Zammorak Runners, but all they do is...run. The dungeon also holds place of some other creatures (cave lizards, level 37), but in my experience they only attack the NPC's. There are also more mages, Rangers and Warriors then on the map, but those are the ones that have most chance to attack you. The Warriors can hit good, but they walk and you (are supposed to) run, so they'll just hit once. The Mages hit good if you don't wear Magic defense, but wear Dragonhide and you'll be fine. The Rangers are the worst, they even hit good when you wear good Ranged defence, so put on Protect from Missiles prayer. $note$ If you have a good Prayer level, you can put on a Prayer like Steel skin or even Chivalry/Piety (gives best Defense bonus). $another note$ If you are in the Official Z.M.I.-Runecrafting World (World 70), then you can try to follow someone else. This way the NPC's will attack the one you follow, and thus not you :P. There is also an Official World for Z.M.I.-Runecrafting, World 70. It is recommended to go there because there are a lot of people, so the chances that you will get attacked (and so get hit) are lower, and the chance that someone Telegroups you Lunar Isle is bigger. Which armour should I wear? [There is a road where you don't need any armour, as there are no monsters, but it takes a long time and is not worth it, so I won't go in that.] -Bearhead (requires Mountain Daughter), but any helm should do. -Spottier/Spotted Cape (requires 68/40 Hunting, reduces your weight)). -Charged Amulet of Glory (to teleport to edgeville (abyss) for repairing pouches. -Earth/lava Staff (only when using Lunar Magic, see $note$) -Penance Gloves (reward from Barbarian Assault, they reduce your weight). -Black Dragonhide Body + Legs (requires 70 Ranged, Red, Blue and Green should also do (level 60, 50 and 40), but the higher the better, for good protection and not too much weight). -Mind Elemental Shield (requires Elemental Workshop II, just for defence against Magical attacks) -Boots of Lightness (required Temple of Ikov Quest, reduces weight). -Maybe a Ring of Life if you are not so good in running/in case of extreme lag. What skills/quest do I need? In fact, you don't need a single skill or Quest, but some are suggested for efficience: skills: good Runecrafting: better runes, use of pouches(so, the higher the better). good Agility: for fast recovering energy (so, the higher the better). 71 Magic: Ourania teleport, brings you very close to the entrance of the dungen (Lunar Magics)(see $note$ below). 70 Ranged and ?40? Defence: for the use of Black Dragonhide. (60 and 50 are also good, but you might need to heal at the bank. 68 Hunting: for Spottier Cape (or 40 for Spotted Cape, but is not as good). 40 Prayer: for Protect from Missiles Prayer. Quests: Dream Mentor Quest: for Ourania teleport (speak to BaBa Yaga to unlock). Temple of Ikov Quest: for Boots of Lightness. Mountain Daughter Quest: for bearhead, but any helm is good. Elemental Workshop II: for the Mind Elemental Shield (not really necessary). $note$ If you use the level 71 Lunar Magic Ourania Teleport, you should stock 20 Law and 20 Astral Runes, wear an Earth/Lava Staff and have Lunar Magic activated (pray at Lunar Altar). You will be teleported close to the entrance of the dungeon (you can pray at the altar on your way). Run (i use the Short but Dangerous Route, but you can also try the Long and Safe route if you want, however you lose a lot of time with it, but is has the advantage of no monsters attacking you), craft your Runes, and now you can a few things to get to a bank and repeat: 1)teleport to Moonclan Island, either by Home Teleport (once every 30 minutes) or by the normal teleport (2 Astral and 1 Law rune required). 2)Wait untill someone casts Group Teleport to Moonclan Island, or call "group tele". You will be Teleported close to the Lunar Bank (Talk to the banker ('Birdseye Jack') on the right, else you need a Seal of Passage to access your bank. ==> this is the method I use. 3)Use your Glory amulet to teleport to Edgeville. 4)Run back the way you came, at the entrance of the dungeon is a man who has a bank, but he asks 20 Runes of the same kind (eg. 20 Air Runes, or 20 Body Runes) to open your bank, so stock up on these at the bank. This is a pretty expensive way, unless you have a big stack of runes and you don't know what to do with it, or you can get cheaper/faster 20 of them than 1 Law and 2 Astral Runes. You might want to use Energy Potions or any other Energy recovering items ( thanks to ZodiakWolf for pointing this out). My experiments: I used 500 Pure Essences in my first experiment, my Runecrafting level was 58. 7981.000 experience for 500 Essences = 14.962 experience for 1 essence, = 654.442 experience for 41 Essences (1 trip for me). (Why 41: I lose two places on Law and Astral Runes, I use Small, Med and Large Pouch, so I can load 41 Pure Essences). On my next experiments I will also record the time it takes to craft 500, How many Rune I get of every kind, and also my Essence Mining time (I am doing that now). I started to check out what Runes I get, and when I get further, I'll compare. All experiments you did are welcome, particularly the lower (20-30) and higher (60-99) levels. What am I doing at the moment? Mining Pure Essences and timing it. current results: (43 essences are brought to bank each round) 1 - 00:02:12.8 2 - 00:04:31.7 3 - 00:06:51.9 so, that is 2 minutes and 17 seconds each load = 137 seconds each 43 Essences = 3.18 seconds each Essence = 3600 seconds each 1130 Essences ==>let's take 1100 Essences an hour, so (calculated to current market prize) 105k-110k an hour. This means I could better do something else to make money (110k+ each hour) and then buy Pure Essences for it. Seeing these results, I'll just mine 3k more, which brings me a next Mining Level, and then I'll buy Essences with the money I made of training other skills (which means more experiments on ZMI-Runecrafting to you :P). I am going to check my maths now, what is coming tomorrow? -I'll add a map of the ZMI-Dungeon -I might make a bestiary of the ZMI-Dungeon (that 'll be tomorrow or the next day) -There will come some more results of my Essence mining, which will probably give the same result as now. *EDIT* The picture problem is fixed, I forgot my host didn't allow hotlinking :P. Thanks to dudecrush8 for pointing me at this.

ring of stone? pretty expensive just to look like a stone

username: keutel force country: Belgium

I learned that wearing special clothes can make you invisible (ghostly robes) I learned that wielding a two-handed sword makes your cape wave (any two-handed) I learned that wielding a special cape allows you to make special moves (skill capes) I learned that wearing special amulets allows you to speak weird languages (ghostspeak, catspeak) I learned that in a few hours a kitten grows to a normal cat, and a few more hours later (while it didnt eat anything) it is a big fat cat I learned that Gertrude has loads of kittens, and all cats that are grown up are worth 100 Death runes when you sell them to people who are said to be sick I learned that you can kill people with some stones with weird pictures I learned that those weird stones can take you to an other place I learned that you can paint pictures on clear stones by holding them toward a big rock, and the more you do that, the nicer pictures you can paint I learned that you can save the universe by making some special cakes I learned that you can go under-water with a fishbowl on your head (I allways knew those fishes had a reason to be in fishbowls...), but although when I put a net, harpoon, lobster pot in the water I find fish pretty fast, but I couldnt find any sardine or lobster or shark(actually I am pretty happy about that) on my underwater adventures

however this would cost jagex a lot of memory on their servers, this is a really good idea as I had to delete lots of people just because I can't remember who they are. ==> SUPPORT

to sephiroth_king's and Fist_of_ozzy's replies: I don't really see what is wrong with writing 500 gp and 100 gp, or scammed, but I'm Dutch, so I don't really know that much of the rules in English grammar, and so I won't be able to correct the mistakes (just because I dont know that is wrong...), but I'll replace the words you most hated anyway. I am very glad that you at least like the story, and thanks for the advice.

wasn't "no archers" one of the rules? rsc had edinetly enough archers....or at least, there were archers with red cape

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(for those who have nu clue what Gielinor is, it is the land of RuneScape). On one of my travels trough Asgarnia, I came in the city of Lumbridge. I was going over the bridge to cross the Lum, when I saw an other traveller, who looked pretty poor to me. I asked why his clothes were torn like that, and he said that someone robbed him while he was walking in the woods. Now I have heard rumors about the Wilderness, and I think it is not a place where you want to be without good protection. He explained that some big and strengthful person promised him full bronze if he would follow him for just 5 minutes. So he did, but suddenly, that person took his dagger and stabbed him. And now he stands here, without food, without clothes, only a wooden shield and a weird net. He said that I looked so cool, I must be very rich, and probably not care about a bit of money? So I said, "hm, yeah, you are really poor eh? Here have a bread and some coins." His eyes glansed, and he cried out, "keutel Force, you are so great, thanks for all that money!" I saw all the people gathering around, and told him to be quiet, but he was too excited and kept screaming. Soon, about every man and woman in a fifty feet distance was asking for money. I thougt then "Hm, this is a nice magic-practising day, and it has been a long time since I have been in Falador. I opened my spell book, spoke out some charms, and i appeared in the capital of Misthalin, WHite Knights City Falador. I said to myself, "Phew, I escaped of it!", but then I heared a voice. and one more, and suddenly my head was bouncing of the whole stream of voices. I thougt, "Oh no, they followed me!", but I couldn't see anyone. I was thinking I had gone mad, as hearing voice in your head is not a good sign... Then I remembered something my godfather had told me: "We, people of Gielinor, possess magic. When we know the name of someone, we can call him, wherever he is. You can expell them out of your head, but you need to concentrate deeply." WIth that in my mind (and those voices), I expelled them, and I was wondering how quiet it can be when noone is talking... Now that I was in Falador, I decided to go and talk to the chief of the WHite Knights, Sir Tiffy, as I wanted to tell him proudly I finally had becomen a White Knigtht Master. I started to tell, but he was,'t really listening. He said he 'd found a trace of King Vallance, King of Misthalin, and I was required to explore it further. He told me that I couldn't use the orb anymore, as the black Knights had found out how it works, and it would not be safe to talk trough it. The only clue he could give me were a piece of the cape King Lathas was wearing the day he disappeared, which was found in the Black Knights Fortress in the Wilderness. That means that I had to go to the wildy again, and interrogate those Black Knights. Knowing how well-willing to speak those Black Knights are, I took my strongest gear and some runes to summon mystic powers. I was on my way to their castle, when I met a guy who was a bit smaller than me, and he asked me what I was up to. I said that I was on a quest for the WHite Knights, whereafter if he could help me. At first I didn't trust him, as the Wilderness is a place where many people are able to forget their pride and attack other humans, so I said it would be very hard. He said he didn't mind, and that he was not afraid of some stupid knights. I was too shy to say that I didn't trust him, so I decided to take the risk. I continued my road, followed by a proud man, who thougt ut was an honour to be accepted on my quest. I now felt that he wasn't lieing, he was honest, but he seemes to think that it was needed to prove himself, which means that we couldn't pass anyone without him challenging on a duel on Life and Death. I told him I was in a hurry, and I would leave him alone if he didn't shut up. This convinced him to continue in silence. We reached the castle, and of course the gates were closed. I was stupid enough to forget my rope to climb on the walls, and now I was lucky to have my mate with me. He did carry a real Fixed Device with him! I thougt these didn't exist anymore, but he did have one (he told me afterwards that he picked it of some musketeers when he was Morytania). He began to load it with special botles of nitroglycerine, which he had found on in ercheologic centre near Varrock, Diggers Site or something like that. When he shot such a bottle on the wall, it exploded with a big "Kaboooom!" and a holf of 9 feet large gaped in the wall. We quickly entered the castle, and attacked a confused Black Knight. We were careful to not kill him, tough, as he could give us some information about King Vallance. First he declined to speak, but after i charmed him with a spell of willingness, he said all he knew about the King. However, he was not that important, and so he didn't know that much. But at least we found out that King Vallance was not dead, and that he had been transported to ScapeRune, a place I had been once when Evil Bob Kidnapped me. That is a very weird place, where everything is the other way round. When E. Bob took me there, I could fish cooked fish, and uncook them! I always thougt i dreamt that... The other Black Knights had recovered of their confusion, and were now running to us, with their swords ready to part our heads from or bodies, and we prepared to fight. We moved backwards, to not get surrounded by the Black Knights, because then we would be done for. I was happy to have taken my abyssal whip with me, and i swung with it to the Black Knights, and they went back a bit. This was the moment to rune, and i called my mate, but he was too busy fighting that he didn't hear it. I decided that it was time to unleash some of my spells, so I ran some squares away, took my spellbook and summoned an illusion of some ondead horses, which really looked scary. The Black Knights stopped fighting, and my mate noticed that I made a way out. We then gathered to the hole in the wall and ran away. We went back to Falador to report this to Sir Tiffy, and he told me I could rest and go back tomorrow. So, I went to my bed, together with my mate, and asked him if he wanted to stay. He sad he didn't want to cause any troubles, buti convinced him to stay. We drank some Dragon Bitter and ate some Pizzas, and after some games of Hangman and Darts we went to bed. ~~not ended yet...~~

don't be rediculous, if there was only one around, it would be MUCH more worth, 10 blue phats wouldn't cover it

ok, I know it is random, but i wanted to know about how much i would need. well, it does matter what you use, the faster you kill, the faster you have a drop. thx, i ll get 1.5k of tokens and hope...

yo, I was wondering how many tokens it shoudl take (approximately) to get a rune defender. (I am combat level 97, and use abyssal whip). thanks, Keutel Force EDIT: mods, I got information needed, you can close it

my name: keutel is dutch (I am from Belgium) for poop force is a word everyone knows I guess... so I am the power of poop, fear me...