WRONG! if you cant kill karil without taking massave damage, you sould train defence. if you cant kill dharok without useing TATICS like safe spots, then dont tell other people he is impossable without prayer. i dont mean to insult you, but karils is easy without prayer =p and you think he is hard.. dds spec x4 + whip=little damage if u dont have good def What's your defense level, like 90? I've got 76 Defense, and thanks to the Karil's steroids he can still pound me into mush in Torag Armor(constant 15+s, its insane). Also, I find safespots/sidestepping to be cowardly, noobish, and most importantly a complete waste of time and unneeded focus at the Barrows. And what has this Lvl 71 Def, 65 Mage, 73 Hp Lvl 88 been smoking lately? lol thanks :D alot of people are out there just waiting to try and prove people wrong. i did this guide as a bit of fun, for the average player. and about the sidestepping, thats the reason i dont ancient, waste of time, by time u farted about doing that you could of killed them and moved on to next one. in the end why do we go to barrows, to make money, so the less expenditure the more returns you get from the chest