Poopingman

Underground... yeah right. From Autumn to Ashes is definitley not underground either. RXBandits are awesome! The Vandlas are another. Who said we are talking about underground specifically? The thread is "Lesser known bands" and cKy is definetly lesser known...

I dunno if that can be argued or not, but I will say this: You admit that NOT ALL emo music sends bad messages. Therefore, maybe you should be tolerant of the good emo? Meaning you can't make blanket statements such as "the whole genre sucks." I dunno if MOST emo music is bad or not. But I do know that SOME doesn't actually send the whiny suicidal message. Therefore, you can't hate the ENTIRE genre. By all means, hate bad music and stupid attitudes. I do too. But you just admitted that SOME emo is not like that. SOME of it is worthwhile. So you can't hate ALL of it, so you can't hate the ENTIRE genre. That's all I want to make you admit, that it's wrong to hate the entire genre. ------------------------ For the record: I apologize if I have been disrespectful in any of my posts on this thread. I tried to make my posts arguments instead of flames or insults, and I tried to not get carried away, because I enjoy a nice, respectful debate. I really am sincerely sorry if I was too sarcastic or accusing. I won't hold any grudges and I hope no one else does. I just like to argue. :wink: I'm sticking with the statement you quoted from me.

IS NOT PROOF!!!!! ITS JUST AN OPINION, NO FACTUAL PROOF. You've been saying this the whole time. Like this, you have no proof of that statement. Opinions aren't proof. I can say I hate a lot of things, but that doesn't make it horrible. I hate pee's and brussel sprouts, but that doesn't make them unhealthy. You seem to have lost your argument a long time ago man... seriously I've been arguing for both sides of the story for a while now. I don't know where you get off saying everyone is siding with a one side story. honestly, I think Riz has prooven more than I have. He doesn't like emo, but he has friends that are into it. Any "professional aruger" knows to look at both sides of the story before arguing, and honestly I think your just doing that. You infact havent been looking at both sides of the story. What if you did like Emo music? This emo kid got alot of attention after he posted this on a friend site, I don't know if he followed through with it or not, but its hard to argue... http://myspacide.ytmnsfw.com/

It can be argued quite easily really, seeing as you have absolutely no proof to back up your claims. That's what i've been saying since the start, and still you choose to ignore it. You can stop with the pity plee aswel, i've never once resorted to "name calling", (although it would be easy to) you just don't seem to have any answer to any of the questions that anyone in this thread has posed, so you keep feeding us with "but, but most people hate emo, it's right because i said so". If everyone hated emo, you wouldn't have so many people to contend with in this thread, would you? Surely even you can understand the logic behind that statement. The proof's in the pudding, AKA the post above this, and the ones earlier in the thread. Whats wrong with that? Tip.it member's opinions are meaningless? Thats proof enough for me. I suggest you guys stop looking only at one side of the argument.

name calling again :roll: :roll: I find it miraculous that I manage to keep my cool when I have a dozen people firing at me, you guys lose it by just talking to me. It seems that my original statements have been cycled through so many people, they are becoming skewed. I'll re-do everything, and this is it: 1. MOST people dislike emo music 2. MOST emo music sends bad messages to kids, some suicidial, some depressive. How can that be argued? :roll:

Look, I'm not going to downplay and name-call like you guys, its the very least I can do to have some pride around here. The 20 or so responses we got from people that don't like emo, in comparison to the 3 or 4 that support it, is representitive of everywhere. I feel that, this thread was a poll of sorts, and there are OBVIOUSLY many more naysayers than supporters. To say drawing opinions from the forum as worthless is very derogative to the intelligence of all of our fellow forum members.... I didn't name-call anybody in here. I said the rest of your post is irrelevant and is infact the biggest name-calling in the entire thread, you just don't use the words. This is indeed not representative. It's a test for like what? 40 people? That's hardly representative, no the mention the age range is 10 to 21 at max. I don't know how you run your polls? But of course it's representative because it suits your way of thinking. And the reasons I gave to say this 'poll' isn't representative has got nothing to do with the intelligence of the users. I thought you didn't like it if people placed words in your mouth? Or? So what do you want me to do? Go out and do a survey in order to clear things up on this topic? The facts stand, emo is not well-liked in this country, and it will stay that way. Thats why knightofdoom made this thread, and despite your many personal attacks, I say we should bring it back to that.

I'm a mobile electronics installer (fancy word for, I install systems) I also play basketball religiously, and then do anything else 18 year olds do.

Look, I'm not going to downplay and name-call like you guys, its the very least I can do to have some pride around here. The 20 or so responses we got from people that don't like emo, in comparison to the 3 or 4 that support it, is representitive of everywhere. I feel that, this thread was a poll of sorts, and there are OBVIOUSLY many more naysayers than supporters. To say drawing opinions from the forum as worthless is very derogative to the intelligence of all of our fellow forum members....

But, but, he's right and everyone agrees with him! Seriously "poopingman", i could watch a bmx video in reverse and see less back-pedalling than you've done in this thread. On page 1 you said "there's a reason everyone hates emos", and now you're saying you can tolerate some of them? Not that your argument had any point to begin with, but that sentence pretty much dis-credited it anyway. The only argument you have is some statistic you seem to have dreamed up in your head that 10 times more people hate emo than like it - where exactly is your source? Is it the thousands of people that attend 'emo' concerts? Is it the millions of people buying albums by emo bands? Or is it just the fact that you have absolutely no proof to back up your claims, and you're just hoping that the people in this thread are too stupid to see that? I'm not even going to bother with your notion that "everyone agrees with me" - if they did, you wouldn't have had to put up with the 3 pages of bickering that you seem to think is none of your fault either. They say ignorance is bliss - no wonder you seem so happy with yourself. Sorry, I had to sleep, I can't troll these forums 24/7. But I'm back now....and I see you're back to putting words in my mouth again. Your 1400 post count won't give you any sense of immunity here. The previous, draaaaaaaaaawn out argument, for what its worth, AT LEAST got the point across that its not the kids we're talking about, its the music. I don't understand why I need to prove anything, when in fact there are a significant number of forum members who said they hated emo music, you should go back to pages 1 and 2 to refresh yourself. That is proof enough that people hate emo music....which you say I need to prove? Hell, the proof is right in this thread!

Then why didn't you leave it alone and not waste 3 pages bickering with me? I made my point then, and I'm making it now.

Emo music doesn't send those type of messages, and never will. Emo music is named Emo because its emotional music. There are more emotions than just depression and sadness, and they sing about every emotion. I would love for you to show me some proof on your statement, because so far thats a tall tale that people like to use. I don't doubt that sometime's emo songs do sing about sad or depressing topics, but it sure doesnt tell kids to go kill themselves over a song. What do I need to prove? Everyone agrees with me, and you know its true. You're fighting a losing battle here.....ok emo speaks about GOOD emotions.........5% of the time. Its almost ALWAYS about depressing and/or bad things, and you can't deny that.

People hate emos? Huh what, where? You're killing me. We already determined it was the genre we are talking about, not the kids. I can stand some of the kids, people hate the music becasue of the message it sends, bottom line. I've been saying this from the start.

Here you go again, its not jus what they look like....I actually like the goth-punk look a little bit. It goes way beyond that, you have to realize.

You're losing footing, that makes no sense Its hated 10x more because there roughly a 10:1 ratio of people who hate emo to people who like it.....you basically just concurred with what we've been saying all along....

Well see that sounds good and all....but you failed to answer why emo is hated 10x more than RAP even, which used to reign supreme as the most hated music genre.

We've come to terms that some of the kids are bearable.....but that doesn't detreact from the music's many flaws.

So you try to justify the whole genre by a select few that don't fit the majority? Pshf.

This is a joke, right? I mean, yeah, if one had the time to scour the world's music, and painstakingly decipher every song, every genre would have at least one or two songs that pertain to this behavior. HOWEVER, not metal, nor rap, nor anything else can boast an ENTIRE genre based around suicide, depression, and whining, like emo does. THE FACTS supercede all. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything. Maybe you could be the second. Their are plenty of "emos" on this forum who have posted why they listen to emo. From what they wrote, the reason they like those songs has nothing to do with suicide, depression, or whining. "The facts" are that emo is not an entire genre devoted to suicide, depression, or whining. Period, end of "the facts." To define the entire genre based solely on your pre-conceived notions is a gross generalization. It's like saying all metal is about violence, darkness, and suicide. It's simply not true. So what you say in one argument isn't necessarily true in another argument? :? You don't care for scene kids, but emo kids are different. AKA, it's not the entire genre that's objectionable. So maybe, just like any other genre, you shouldn't hate the whole genre because one small sub-group of it is stupid posers? I'm with Althalus. "Can we all get along?" ---------------------------------- EDIT: MyPurpleCrayon, Matthius has already explained the difference. He's already explained why he listens to emo. [sarcasm]btw, I see all those Reel Big Fish kids at my school every day, and they're all the same. They think they're distinctive and cool and superior just because they wear tye-dye. They're all just arrogant weirdos who look exactly the same and whine about how no one understands how individual they are.[/sarcasm] ^That's you. That's what you sound like. I'm so sick of having my posts divied up and parts used to draw meaningless comparisons. Okay, I'll quote in full then. I'm still going to break your posts apart and examine them point by point, though. If you object to that, I'm afraid you won't go very far as a proffessional arguer. So here, broken up but preserved in full... I apologize. I am not up-to-date on my stereotypical labels. My bad. (I knew that part of your post was way too easy to discredit...I shoulda known I was making a mistake :lol: ) Did you even read Matthius' post? Does he seem like he's ALL about suicide, whining, and complaining? And how on earth does being emotional mean you're a whiner? That's a pretty big leap. Most music tends to be pretty emotional. That's why we listen to it. Just because emo is actually labelled 'emotional' doesn't mean all of a sudden emotion is a bad thing. :? You're right, the messages between emo and Reel Big Fish (I don't even know the genre, sorry) are completely different. However (and this goes for MyPurpleCrayon too), the comparison I am making is that you are being incredibly judgemental about a perfectly legit genre of music, just like Reel Big Fish haters trash an attitude that they simply don't appreciate. MyPurpleCrayon, of course you haven't worn a tyedyed shirt in your life. You don't fit the stereotype. Just like not all emos fit the stereotype. I wasn't judging Reel Big Fish fans. I thought that would be clear when I put the sarcasm label around my words... Here's the comparison I was actually making.... You like your music and the message that comes with it. Some people don't appreciate that message, and make judgemental generalizations, stereotyping you and assuming you are some weirdo idiot snob obsessed with your individuality. These judgemental people are what we call closed-minded and hateful people. Emos like their music and the message that comes with it. You don't appreciate (meaning enjoy) that message, and you make generalizations, stereotyping and assuming that all emos are idiots obsessed with their emotions. You are what we call a closed-minded and hateful person. Is the comparison clear now? Again, I point to Matthius' posts. He seems like he's just a kid "harmlessly enjoying his music." Therefore, it's not such a big issue. Emo is just another genre of music. The evidence is right in front of you, proving that emo is not all about suicide etc, all you have to do is read Matthius' post. EDIT: Stevester, teach me to be concise like you :( You wasted a whole lot of breath, since you didn't present anything new to the situation, other than continuing the personal attacks. I suggest you get fully back on topic before trying to mount a counter offensive, because this is honestly, laughable. I've made it clear in the last few posts that I can STAND the kids, as long as they don't bring upon me their suicidal and depressive tendancies. The music is deplorable on so many levels, regardless.

Moshing is so pointless.....I started a mosh pit back in HS during a school dance, that was the last time I ever did that....

as i lay dying is an amazing band.

This is a joke, right? I mean, yeah, if one had the time to scour the world's music, and painstakingly decipher every song, every genre would have at least one or two songs that pertain to this behavior. HOWEVER, not metal, nor rap, nor anything else can boast an ENTIRE genre based around suicide, depression, and whining, like emo does. THE FACTS supercede all. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything. Maybe you could be the second. Their are plenty of "emos" on this forum who have posted why they listen to emo. From what they wrote, the reason they like those songs has nothing to do with suicide, depression, or whining. "The facts" are that emo is not an entire genre devoted to suicide, depression, or whining. Period, end of "the facts." To define the entire genre based solely on your pre-conceived notions is a gross generalization. It's like saying all metal is about violence, darkness, and suicide. It's simply not true. So what you say in one argument isn't necessarily true in another argument? :? You don't care for scene kids, but emo kids are different. AKA, it's not the entire genre that's objectionable. So maybe, just like any other genre, you shouldn't hate the whole genre because one small sub-group of it is stupid posers? I'm with Althalus. "Can we all get along?" ---------------------------------- EDIT: MyPurpleCrayon, Matthius has already explained the difference. He's already explained why he listens to emo. [sarcasm]btw, I see all those Reel Big Fish kids at my school every day, and they're all the same. They think they're distinctive and cool and superior just because they wear tye-dye. They're all just arrogant weirdos who look exactly the same and whine about how no one understands how individual they are.[/sarcasm] ^That's you. That's what you sound like. I'm so sick of having my posts divied up and parts used to draw meaningless comparisons. Scene kids ARE different, thats why they are called scene kids, and not emo.... :roll: and ALL emo about is suicide, whining, and complaining, thats why its called.....EMO (emotional) Wearing tyedye shirts and the messages being sent through this music genre are SO far apart its almost laughable that you tried to draw a conclusion like that. If this was just kids harmlessly enjoying their music, it wouldn't be such a big issue like it is now. And for the record, I'm not going to reply to posts that , as above, take tid-bits of different posts and piece them together into an unjust comparison.

I'll back you up, the music needs to DIAF......some of the followers are bearable, if you get to know them. But I wouldn't go out of my way to get to know more of them.....

hey, I was here to have a decent argument with knightofdoom, its not my fault people decide to attack my personal life over these issues. I won't stand for it.

goa-psy owns the techno scene infected mushroom 8)

*sigh* Contradict much? Scene kids and emo are different :roll: :roll: scene kids are like the poser brethren of the whole emo scene, I don't care for 'em. The first statement isn't relevant, I was replying to the earlier poster's lack of knowledge on the subject, to pull only parts of conversations to fit this twisted image you're trying to make of me is uncalled for. I won't resort to such dasterdly tactics, I have my pride.