@sona, i could use a hug :P and yea, we can [bleep] whine and moan all we want... unless jagex does something radical nothing will really change. and if history is anything to go by, when jagex changes anything, many will still complain about how it was "better" before. (not to say that it really wasnt better before bots came around) one thing is for sure, there will always be people like me that keeps on playing even as the game burns itself to the ground.... :wall: