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well i understand that people are unwilling to drop items as (relatively) rare as some randoms... i mean, someone with a full set of camo obviously won't drop it because it looks cool, and if they get the body they won't want to drop it because they think they will eventually get the whole set! it looks like the main alternative to more bank space is a way to store or retrieve random event items.

sell to general store or to bob's axes. the price difference isn't that huge between getting 10k total for them on the street and getting 7k total for them... or wait until you get muted. and no offense to you but the larger percentage of rs players don't have that problem as they are not muted.

wait wait wait - you get paid the equivalent of 20 USD a month? and the difference between that 20 and 15 a month bankrupts you? just so you know, conversion rates are based on buying power. wherever you live, one unit of your currency is apparently worth half as much as one USD, so you're actually paying the same amount, it just seems like more because the number's bigger. it's like saying that i pay 5 dollars and you pay 500 cents - even though the "500" is much bigger, we still pay the same amount. but i agree about there being a lot of ftp items for only 60 spaces.

updated main post with a few more opinions.

lol at first i read this thinking "this guy's nuts, he's gonna get flamed so badly... omg" but then i got to the "not the sarcasm" part and i was like "phew" and prankster_king, apology accepted and to clear it up, this is (as my signature states) a compilation of anti-ftp-bank-space arguments with a little commentary by yours truly. in my opinion (the first one in the first thread) i stated that i do in fact believe ftp should get more bank space. it's just that there's a lot of people who don't and the only outlet for them to discuss that previously was by posting (or flaming, spamming, etc) on your thread.

yeah i believe there's a thread for that in bugs and suggestions already.

yeah it looks like the consensus is that ftp wants a way to store their random event stuff. then they'll be fine.

yeah the companies can still draw you in just by having you look at their ads, you don't have to click. like with imvu - i kept seeing ads for it over and over again so one day i said "let's see what's so great about this" and downloaded it. it turned out to be crap, but that's a totally different story.

haha, that's my thread actually. i wanted to post this here because prankster king hasn't replied to it yet... he posted on my thread and i replied and i'm really curious to find out what he has to say in response... here's the quote: In the line that I so gallantly bolded, you contradict just about everything you're saying... You say that the argument of "you don't pay, you don't deserve" argument is bull, and yet your entire point revolves around it... Don't understand what I'm saying? Let me break it down for you: First off, I'd like to point out part of that nice little summary of your post you made. It says: Unless you have some meaning behind that statement that completely eludes me, you're stoking the flame of the "you don't pay, you don't deserve" argument, just by pointing out that we should pay this ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åsmall feeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

does jagex get paid by the click? for some reason i always thought they got paid just by having you look at the ads... maybe you guys are right.

in a case such as this where nobody has that information, assumptions must be made. i assume, logically i believe, that adding a few bank spaces to ftp will not cause jagex to go bankrupt, or even to make a small dent in their profits. you, in return, have no way of proving that it makes a large dent in their profits. so it's kind of a gridlock unless you choose one set of assumptions to base your arguments off of.

Oh, and sorry to double post twice in a row, but Prankster_King would it trouble you terribly to tell me where you got the statistic that you quote in your thread? And one last thing I want to point out... How many of you out there have every single piece of Random Event clothing? I myself have, and I've been playing for nearly three years, seven. Of course, I have converted all my frog tokens into masks rather than prince outfits, so that's two spaces saved right there, but even adding the two extra slots needed for the prince outfit doesn't get me anywhere near using 19 slots for random event stuff. I have seven counting all the members only random events too (i have about 35 strange fruits!), which I assume you don't count in your tally of 19.

No, It's completely similar. Instead of losing a cheeseburger or fries, Jagex loses money. Runescape runs on Java, as you obviously know, which means that pretty much everything runs on a variable. Even when a bank space is empty, it's still taking up bandwidth as the variable is set to 0, yet the bank space is still there as an active variable. And who has to pay for that extra bandwidth? Jagex. F2p should worry about paying off the costs of their own servers with the click-ads before they start talking about updates. Take the graphics updates (quests/npcs/areas) and the random other things you guys get from time to time, and live with it. well yes, but for a company as large as jagex, the small quantity of extra bandwidth it would take to add 10 or 12 more bankspaces for every ftp player can't be much of a dent in their profits.

And Mortifyer1, I'd like to take a moment to direct you tothis thread here, where you may feel free to express your support for Prankster_King's petition for more bank space. While I appreciate your support of the thread, as well as the details of your particular situation, this is a thread devoted to why ftp shouldn't get bank space and therefore I believe your comments would be more appreciated at the above thread. It's not that I don't want dissenters to post on my thread - that is how discussion thrives!

In the line that I so gallantly bolded, you contradict just about everything you're saying... You say that the argument of "you don't pay, you don't deserve" argument is bull, and yet your entire point revolves around it... Don't understand what I'm saying? Let me break it down for you: First off, I'd like to point out part of that nice little summary of your post you made. It says: Unless you have some meaning behind that statement that completely eludes me, you're stoking the flame of the "you don't pay, you don't deserve" argument, just by pointing out that we should pay this ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åsmall feeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

also, don't know what your mining, smithing, fishing, cooking levels are but most ftpers have a lot of those kinds of things to store. however, i'm hearing about increasing amounts of ftpers being able to get by with the space they have now.

lol, i've actually done the calculations. 3 f2p players pays 30 cents less than 1 member, a month. considering that there is about 3 X as much f2p players than memebers. not much difference I'm afraid. p.s. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: yes! \ \ \ i got my opinion on the list! : O:). *ahem* thanks for the credit. wait, how did you figure out how much jagex gets from each person looking at the ads?

just so yuo know, you can drop the halloween stuff and get it back for free from diango.

hey everyone! thanks for the suggestions - i'll add them into the main post as soon as i get time. as for getting limitless space, if you read my argument (first one in the first post) i mention that bank space is meant to be restricting to make the game just a little more difficult. plus it would take up a lot of bandwidth ( i assume, i don't know much about programming in java but storing all those items would take up a lot of... whatever). and as for the "you don't pay you don't get updates" thing, it's really not like asking for free stuff in the real life. because in the real world, stuff costs money. so if i give you free stuff in the real life, i lose money. in game, jagex loses nothing or very little to give bank space. so they're really not similar. i don't think it's bull because it's a bad argument, i think it's bull because it's so commonly stated to be the *only* argument againts more ftp bank space, which is what this thread is designed to educate you about the falsity of. wow. run on sentence.

thanks for the support raven. siggy time! [url=http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=652851][img=http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/10a9170fde.gif][/url]

hm well then perhaps it's worthwhile to petition jagex simply to do that rather than ask them to create more bank space... maybe if this thread gets big enough we can get prankster king to suggest it on his threa.

while i value your opinion, i am pretty sure that an overwhelming majority of ftpers have bank space problems. thanks for posting, though.

updated with a ton more arguments

well personally i throw out almost all of my random event stuff except what i like... the black mime boots are the only black boots, so i keep those. i turned all my frog tokens into masks, so they only take up one spot... threw out my forester stuff, etc. however, a place for ftpers who like the random event stuff to store it is a good idea. thanks for the constructive critisicm.

Wow, can't believe we got Hot Topic! Thanks to everyone who posted (both before and after we got Hot Topic) and to Misplacedme! quick summary in case you're too lazy to read the entire thread (i can't blame you, it's really long now): [hide]1. Bank space is meant to be restricting - even on members worlds. 2. Jagex is a company, there is no incentive for them to give ftp more bank space as it will likely make ftpers more complacent and less likely to upgrade to members. 3. Just pay 5 bucks, it's not a lot. 4. The appropriately named "give them a penny and they want a dime" factor. 5. There is, in fact, enough bank space for ftp to store all necessary items. the only people who have problems are pack rats who try to save everything.[/hide] Ok. So. I'm sure this is going to be incredibly controversial (please please please don't flame), but I wanted to compile all the arguments I find about why ftpers shouldn't get more bank space. Note that I will NOT be using the old "they don't pay, they don't get updates" argument. That is bull. Here's what I will be doing: Making a list and commenting on which I like and which I don't like. I want to make this clear: I do believe that ftp should get a little more bank space. But there are lots of people who don't, and this thread is for them. My opinion, which I posted on Prankster King's thread. This has probably been asked before, because this is a very unlikely statistic (most pkers, for example, are not skillers as well and vice versa). I'd be willing to wager that maybe 65 or 70 percent of runescape's ftp population is all three of those things, or is at least two of them (when i was ftp, i got obsessed with pking for a while and did nothing else, then went back to skilling and merchanting the stuff i got from my skilling). Also, when you're listing all the stuff the three classes of citizens have, you forget that if someone is a pker, skiller, and merchanter, they're going to merchant the stuff they pk and get from skilling, so those items are the same, not new. you can't put raw materials in the items for skillers and merchanters, then double count it if someone's a skiller and merchanter. All in all, i do support. you make a convincing argument, and as i have a very high level ftp pure who's running out of bank space as well, i see the need. if 12 bank spaces would sate you for the next few years worth of ftp updates (that's not that many - like 3 a year) then i see no reason why jagex wouldn't give it to you other than their increasingly lame "you don't pay so you don't get updates" argument. Someone else's badly thought out opinion, at least i think so. This one's concise... and also written by Dalcyte, who many of you probably know. Well reasoned, and i agree that 5$ a month isn't very much at all, but I didn't put that in my argument because a lot of people disagree and i didn't want people flaming me. Here's another moderately decent argument... jagex certainly is a company that is motivated by profit. not sure that i agree that members would be pissed off if ftpers got bank space (it doesn't affect the ptpers at all) but still a decent argument. was scrolling through and found this... botanreaper is a friend of mine who was in the same clan as me for a while, a great and smart person, and i respect her very much. this argument is well thought out, but is basically a copy of a lot of other arguments. i'll post it anyways though, because i don't think i've posted it yet. ah. here's something i didn't think of. bravo, heart_of_ink. BAD. and BADly thought out. this is not an argument, it's a temper tantrum. i do not support this one. here's another badly thought out argument (in my opinion). and also, i'm not sure where he got that quote from jagex. another very common opinion, but worded a lot better than most. well thought out but pretty much a copy of some other arguments i already have up here... i want to credit foraster though, so The following quote was private messaged to me by a person who asked to remain anonymous. I haven't confirmed it yet but he claims that this is a direct quote from Jagex. This doesn't directly address ftp bank space but it may clear up a lot of the confusion going on in this thread over whether or not Jagex makes money off of ftp. That quote was confirmed here: This was in response to someone saying that jagex wouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t give ftp bank space because they already made plenty of money off of ftp. here's another good idea that i've seen a couple of times but decided to actually post now. this is kinda of a matter of opinion as to whether or not ftp has enough space for the necessary items, but i've seen a lot of ftpers posting on this thread claiming they have one or one and a half rows left and they keep all the necessary items, including random event stuff. This one here isn't ENTIRELY on topic, but the author is right in saying that a lot of people are wishing Diango could store random event stuff. He's also right in his prediction, I believe - something PTP got so recently isn't likely to be replaced. the following is an opinion far too many members have. it's unfortunate that ptp can't just be happy for ftp to get updates - instead they resent them. I will be updating this with more opinions as I find time. I repeat: supporters of more ftp bank space, please do not flame. Quick Guide to Conserving Bank Space in FTP 1. Items like chisels, hammers, and pots can easily be bought from a general store when you need them. Additionally, cheap skill items like harpoons or crafting moulds can also be bought easily at their respective stores. If you have extra space, feel free to keep skill items. But there's no reason to save items that can easily be re-bought at a general store. 2. Don't keep raw materials in your bank! There's no reason to waste two spots to have both raw lobsters and cooked lobsters, or to waste a spot with those 2k yew logs you keep meaning to get around to burning. Cook them! Burn them! Sell them if you have to (or if you're a merchanter)! But don't just keep them! 3. Holiday items can be destroyed and retrieved at any time from Diango in the Draynor Village Market for free - don't keep them in your bank. If you particularly like random event clothing you can keep them (one exception - make sure you use all your frog tokens, no need to use four spaces for mask, prince top, prince bottom, and tokens). Personally, all I keep is the camo top (which I like a lot) and the mime mask and boots. 4. Don't save quest items. This is pretty self-explanatory. 5. Don't save stuff you don't use. This is also pretty self-explanatory, but to be a little more specific - if you have (t) or (g) armor that you never wear (like black (t) or (g) if you have high enough defence so that you always wear your rune), sell it. 6. If you were previously a member, don't keep member's stuff (or give it to a member's friend to hold on to)! When I quit members, I had a dragon skirt, dragon halberd, and about 500 prayer potions that I gave to a friend to sell for me, telling him he could keep %10 of the profits. That's pretty much it. If you feel your bank is too full, follow these guidelines and you should be able to free up some space.