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Stupid refs! The winning goal came on a Murray penalty, which should have been a 4-on-4, since whoever Murray hooked also dived. (Murray literally barked at the refs) The only good part was the end. Chara and Alleng getting at it, then Jokinen coming in and while trying to slash Chara hits the ref, and that draws the entire Bruins team over...And Savard and Auld as well, shoving. Yeah, the Bruins lost. :( 3-2.

My turn to make picks (45-50 minutes before the first games): BOS vs. FLA: Duh... TBL vs. BUF: Buffalo... PIT vs. PHI: Penguins rock. NSH vs. CBJ: Who cares? (At least I don't) NYI vs. TOR: For the sake of the Bruins moving up the Northeast division, the Isles. MIN vs. OTT: See above. I'm not exactly wild about the Wild, but wild enough to want the Wild to win. COL vs. DAL: Western Conference...Blech.

p0nd3r4: If you realize it, then why do you keep acting like I'm F2P? So why do they get updates? Because F2P have gotten updates, it means Jagex is nice. If Jagex is nice enough to make a whole new 4 level dungeon, they should be nice enough to add 12 more F2P bankspaces. Potential members = F2P. Every F2Per is a potential member. A lot compared to what? I never specified. It could be a lot compared to the amount of people that live in Antarctica. I know it wasn't, but oh well. And speculation never hurts, unless you clearly state it's true, which I didn't. The end is a little confusing. I'm not talking about people that are about to become members. I'm talking about regular F2Pers. They could all become members at any time, couldn't they? But if they don't, for whatever reason, Jagex would lose potential money. I think what we need here is a clear definition of potential loss. Rose_2_pure: You haven't disproved them. The F2P economy is almost the exact same as the P2P economy. So if F2P affect the F2P economy, the P2P economy will change too. I meant that Bufoman might not know every single correct spelling, even if they are simple words. If he really didn't know English, explain all the words he spelled right. And it wasn't exactly horrible grammar. ...And if you can't work? There are probably other ways of doing it. I guess that the bank space issue is a pretty good way, but I bet if they really thought, they could come up with a better one. The post was mainly against what P0nd3r4 said. I won't take the real life money, but I'm sure there are at least 10 of the who-knows-how-many-million F2Pers that will quit. You aren't the only one correcting grammar on this thread. I was contradicting myself, but oh well... And P0nd3r4 said I was a snob. :roll: DarkKnightRider: I'm sure there are people that would like to help you with a protest. I mean, there are over 300 supporters. If you can get at least 200, and to one place, it should be a little effective. Prankster_King: Add Tetsuya onto that list of me and D_V_Devnull. Anyone who supports this and posts here over 5 times deserves to be on it. And I just saw your latest post, P0nd3r4. But if this thread reaches 1000 supporters, which is unlikely, I'm pretty sure Jagex would have to do something. Even if they use bots to answer messages, those bots will get used a lot as many people will be sending messages about this. But unless there are enough supporters, you are correct. That's why I think a little in-game protest could work.

Man = Biped Monkey = Biped a Man is not a Monkey, so Jagex is not P2P only. Read what I said in parenthesis. Like in your example, monkeys and men are related at least. Closer than to a penguin, which is somewhere in the bird area. In this situation, your man is Jagex. P2P are your monkeys. And F2P are your penguins. Jagex is closer to P2P than F2P. Get it?

Even more proof for my thread in Form Updates & Suggestions or whatever it's called. Zyrm is right, ankous just came out. They fit your description pretty well. And even if it was P2P, I would say no.

Mind telling us why you should get Bank Space? How about reviewing the first post? I didn't bother to read his post because I can assume he's repeating what I've disproven. I've been F2P for a while now and I can't remember (The last time?) I saw an F2P'er buying Yew Logs, large amounts of Ores, or Essence. They are almost always P2P'ers in F2P. And as I said ALREADY, if P2P'ers couldn't buy from F2P'ers we would have people in P2P which would do the same thing. Irrelevant. I wasn't saying that P2P trade with F2P. I was saying F2P trade amongst themselves, and that affects the economy. You might have said something about this already, my bad if you did. Oh, my bad, I thought this was a english-speaking forum. English speaking? Yes. Having everyone type in perfect English, even if they're from some non-English speaking country? No. I'm not sure where it says, but only family members can pay for membership. And if you can't pay Jagex $5 a month, then how can you pay your friend? I didn't think making $5.00 was very hard, you really can do ANYTHING to make money. And if your not sure where it says only family members may pay for membership then don't post it until you have signifigant proof. Go under Customer Support, Billing, then FAQs in the KB. I guess what you were talking about was the second part, but once again... Explain that. And some people would rather spend their money on food, water, gas, rent, etc. Necessities. Not a game. Although $5 a month should be left over. And, once again, I will repeat what I have 3(?) times. JAGeX DOESN'T VIEW F2P AS A SMALLER GAME, THEY VIEW IT AS A TRIAL FOR MEMBERS. GIVING YOU MORE ITEMS IS JUST THEM PUSHING YOU TO GET MEMBERS. If Jagex really wanted to push them to get members, they'd do something else. There are many other techniques to get more P2Pers. But I guess what you're saying in this part is kind of true. Rose EDIT: penguingeek3 I decided to read the post you made at the top of the page. Review page 37 and I think 36 for your answers, don't just start debating a point when it's been disproven. The post on page 38? To summarize that post up... I'm a member, I got bankspace last week. I never said a bunch of money from F2P. Potential loss is bad for Jagex, not giving F2P sensible updates will result in potential loss. Strange English. More potential loss. I'm not a snob. None of that was covered in the past few pages. I guess the potential loss has been touched on, but not that much. Basically Rose, I'm not "hating" you as much now. You've relatively calmly told me some points you thought weren't true and were wrong. That always helps while arguing. (Kind of irrelevant, but who cares. You were irrelevant, now it's my turn.)

Are you blind or something? Just to make sure you can see...I am a member! The need/deserve thing: You say F2P need bankspace, but don't deserve it. Unless you really are that stupid, you'd be able to see that your statement contradicts your self. Maybe not completely, but a little. How does F2P not deserve bank space? Yes, they don't directly pay. But they indirectly give Jagex money through advertisements. They don't give as much as members, but they give enough to support F2P servers as I am told. Once again, I bring up a point I made a few pages ago: If F2P do not deserve bank space/updates, then why the heck have F2P gotten updates this year? Two weeks ago, they got one! Did I ever say they were going to become members? I said they COULD. Once again, you prove your English isn't too good. COULD is different than WILL. The amount of F2P players that will quit because of bank space obviously isn't a lot. But the amount of F2P players that will quit because they aren't getting ANY sensible updates will be a lot. Why? F2P gets boring after a while if you don't have anything new to do. That's why I became a member, I was really bored with F2P, and I had resorted to doing some strange merchanting game I found on these forums. If people get bored, they usually will quit whatever they're doing. In this case, that's RuneScape. Encicra: If only random event items were like that.

Excellent idea, but will probably be VERY hard to do. You have images, a well thought out original idea, and described it nicely. For your first post, it was awesome.

Congratulations, you've completely forgotten the point I'm a member! We've gotten bankspace alright...We got a bunch last week. Did I ever say that Jagex gets TONS from advertisements/F2P? More non-playing players can easily end up as more paying players. Common sense, anyone? And ex-members can also easily become members again... Contradicting? Don't think that DESERVE and NEED are any different. If F2P need bank space, they deserve it. Let's see...If you had a choice to play a game in which they gave you updates, at least once a month, or RuneScape, which gives none at all, which one would you play? (This is not a real situation, if you were stupid enough to think so) MOST people would go with the one that has updates. Not all, as some "loyal" players will stick with RuneScape. And some will pay. You're speculating as well, I'm sure you can't read the minds of every F2Per. You don't act like you even know what potential loss is. Say there are 5 F2Pers. They all could become P2P at any point. Meaning $25 more profit for Jagex per month. Then they all quit because they can't fit items in their bankspace, and are getting tired of it. That $25 per month that Jagex could have made is now gone. That's potential loss. Just make that on a larger scale, over 50K people. (Or even 500K) None of your "corrections" were corrections. I showed you why. Let's see if you can be a little wiser next time. And how am I a snob? According to M-W.com... I don't exactly "blatantly imitates", "fawningly admires" or "vulgarly seeks association" with those regarded as "social superiors". Actually, I guess P2P COULD be considered those" social superiors"... Oh, and you call this whining... Complain? Yes. That's pretty much what this forum AND rants is for. The definition of the word whine in that definition is... This isn't plaintive or distressed.

"The Bruins win it in overtime!" Can you say 4 game winning streak? 6 points in one week? The Bruins are on fire, although I think all 4 games were settled in OT/Shootouts...

I'm a calm, self-controlled person, but jesus christ, you make me want to curse. Are you mentally impaired?? Have you somehow not picked up on the basic concepts of business/life? Jagex and members pay for RuneScape to exist. F2P do not. How the BEEP can you justify saying you deserve more, when you don't even deserve to play the damn game in the first place, by all rights? For god's sake, what's wrong with you people! It's an incredibly basic concept: F2P give absolutely nothing to Jagex, yet Jagex give F2P a great game to play. Members give money to Jagex, so Jagex give members an even better game to play. How is that unfair? My god, could you be any more ungrateful? One way or another, you people are going to have to learn at some point that most of the time, you don't get something for nothing. Yet not only do you not realise that, you actually have the nerve to feel that you deserve MORE for nothing. Worse STILL, you have the outright indecency to DEMAND more for nothing. To hell with you. AceScope - actually I was F2P for around 2 years. I know what it's like to have the very limited bank space, it's a real pain. At the end of the day, that's not what matters here. No matter how little bank space F2P are given, they should be grateful for even getting that. The bolded part is the flaw in your argument. F2P give a lot to Jagex, but obviously not as much as us members. F2P gives Jagex: -Money through advertisements. Even if they are per-click, I'm pretty sure some people misclick them by accident. -More players. Like I said (Somewhere in the first 36 pages), not everyone will pay for membership. Those players are what I'm talking about. -A way to keep old members after they don't feel like paying anymore. If not for F2P, a lot of people would quit, and Jagex would lose money. F2P is the way Jagex drags in new members. If Jagex does not make sensible F2P updates, or no F2P updates at all, most F2P will make one of two choices... 1. Quit out of boredom from the lack of updates. 2. Get membership. Now, not everyone is willing to pay for membership. I'm not saying they can't afford it, but they have better things to spend their money on. Those people will either quit or just play F2P...I'm sure a lot will quit. Because they quit, Jagex has just lost potential members/potential money. You are the one who doesn't understand the basic concepts of business...

p0nd3r4: Mind telling us why they have to pay to get bank space? Aaron4: Nice to see you actually sort of support this now. Rose_2_Pure: Many people have "argued". They've all been stopped, and some "converted" to "our side". And look at what Aarone said about "muling". Prices are set by every buyer and seller in RuneScape. The majority of those buyers/sellers are F2P. So F2P DO affect the economy. You say that there is a lot of "junk" in F2P banks. I'm guessing you're one of those people who claim that selling an item, then buying it back when you use it is a solution. If you aren't, I apologize. But if you are, that doesn't work. The main concern I have about F2P banks is the random event items. I think they take up 16 spaces if you have them all. 16 spaces is a lot to F2P. And have you ever thought Bufoman doesn't know English too well? Would you be able to type in Romanian perfectly? Of course not, unless you know it well. I'm not sure where it says, but only family members can pay for membership. And if you can't pay Jagex $5 a month, then how can you pay your friend? Once again, random event items is one of the main things behind this thread. Jagex adds more random event (items), which F2P can't store. And they can't sell it. And can't get it back without getting the event again. If Jagex makes random event items able to get back, it would give experienced F2Pers, who need this update most, more than 10 spaces.

If it was P2P, there would be a low chance of autoing there. There are members on P2P alright...I've already seen over 10 this month! Autoers sell the RuneScape money they make for real life money, which usually ends up with over $5 per account per month. Enough to pay for membership. And Txinghorns has a point. There would be what, 3 possible answers? The chance of getting it right is 1/3. And you should have two chances, just in case an honest player misclicks. That raises the chance of the autoer getting in to 2/3. Over half the time, the autoer will get in. Not good.

The ads are probably per-click ads. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Jagex only gets money if you click on them...How many people actually click on the ads? (I go on F2P worlds frequently because I trade a lot with F2Pers...I see the ads...They aren't huge! They're regular ads...And I can't make out the rest...(Where the heck did you get the idea that F2P gives more money to Jagex than P2P?)

*shrugs*. They don't have Sundin right now. Aubin played stellar but with a five day break prior to the game the Leafs played very rusty. Every deflection seemed to go to the Bruins and every shot the Leafs took seemed to careen off of someone's leg/stick. At least Kubina's back. Aubin looks good too...

How do you feel now, Insane? Patrice Bergeron just won it for the Bruins in overtime, 2-1. 3 game winning streak! :P

I know that Inferno_Char has started a similar topic, except my suggestion is a little more. So what I would appreciate, along with I hope many other people, is a sticky saying what you must put when you suggest. On that list... -Make it DETAILED. This is one of the things I'm getting tired of. Random one line "sentences" is not detailed, and most people won't be able to support the idea unless you put detail. -Make it sensible. Meaning not just a demand. "Jagex give us this. Jagex give us that. " And having it legal would be nice too. -Make it an actual update. This is kind of continuing from the sensible one...It means to not just "suggest" a new world. A sticky about F2P suggestions would be nice too. Anyone agree with me? You don't have to agree with all three, but if you agree with at least one, yours support would be appreciated.

Have you ever thought WHY we shut it down? We aren't greedy, we use common sense. Jagex = Company. Company = Money. Money = P2P. Jagex = P2P. (I know, companies aren't technically money. And Jagex isn't P2P But they FAVOR P2P) Why do they favor P2P? We give them money! Small, SENSIBLE updates, like the more bank space one, are fine with me. Big, pointless updates, like this one, are NOT fine with me. This is one of those.

Both are awesome! Rem-Dawg doesn't say The Red Sox win! That's Donny Orsillo :) Who cares...And it isn't always Don Orsillo. I think it was some Sean guy two years ago...

A "tiny" little misclick could cost you a lot of items, which can be very expensive. (If you were in the Wilderness for a treasure trail or something other than PK-ing, and you see someone coming near you, most people will either fight or run. If you run, you might click on them, and get skulled. Then they attack you, and you can't use protection prayers. And you die.) Why do you think the newest prayers were made for magic and range? So mages and rangers could use them in PvP combat, without getting completely owned by melee-ers using ultimate strength or whatever.

Both are awesome!

Yes!! Bruins have won two in a row! That was the best shootout performance from the Bruins I've seen. Thomas made incredible saves, especially the one on Ovechkin. And Bergeron had a great goal.

What is up with this forum lately? 50% of the topics are just stupid demands with absolutely no detail, and are absolutely pointless.

That would totally rock, just totally never happen. This suggestion would be totally better if it was more elaborate. Just don't say you want a game. Say what game. Make one up, show more creativity. usually a one sentence is never a good suggestion How do you know? You know how Jagex gave quite a few F2P updates to new players this year? Just next year, have the same, except the updates are for high level players. And if this was the only update of the year, I'm sure it would have a better chance of happening. Don't give up, F2P! If you ask enough for SENSIBLE updates, you might get them!

I'd rather have expansions on the new cities. I'm not sure what I mean, but I'd rather have expansions... And why not new cities? Well, F2P just got the SoS. Is four levels of dungeons, with quite a few rewards, too little? P2P got Witchhaven as well... And the worlds thing came up not that long ago. Even with the fault search of TIF, I'm sure you could find it.