Nero

Grim used them to destroy a wall of mine which he then flew over with helicopters...thus defeating any sort of purpose nuking the wall had.

Well, it's not really a problem since you're the Holy Roman Emperor currently and all those states are part of the HRE, so if France goes to war with you you could just march your army through all those states no problem. Then again, if you lose the support of the electors (by doing stuff like not honouring the independence of HRE states against aggression from non-HRE members - like France or Poland - or attacking member states yourself, then they'll pass the title of emperor onto another monarch (most likely Prussia).

Also there's the fact that it'll be 1 day = 6 months (day 1 irl is summer, day 2 is winter). So progressing to modern times is fairly unrealistic. -- Edel, this is Austria-Hungary at the start of the game (you said hot pink..)

Kk, change in map; using this one now: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/139/hoi2blankmap.png Reason is because the other one doesn't give you a clear fill in with provinces, so it just looks like crap when filled in.

Soviets don't exist, nor does the Industrial Revolution that made it possible for them to. (Game should start tomorrow)

Kind of. I was figuring that every province you have overseas gives a 2% bonus to your tariff income, as with any province that can be land linked to your capital gets a 2% bonus to your production income. So, if you have a base starting treasury of 10m ducats, 50 provinces on land and 25 overseas, you'd get 10m base + 10m production + 5m tariffs for a grand total of 25m per reset. Might add another +% for technology progress. A single infantry of the line costs you 1,000 ducats though so I may need to adjust the base. Oh, and going out and conquering everything might seem like a good idea to raise your budget, but then you get nationalist rebels, independence movements, patriot mobs, and all sorts of nasty random events. I will when I do the map. He was referring to this: http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Boatmurdered/intro.html Hot pink Austria-Hungary...alright...

Sokoto or Mali, some west african tribal nation. Err...Africa not America, Grim.

It would seem not.

I was thinking that people always end up making enough disadvantages themselves (like Burgundy in YOH spending the first 40 years building a citadel and thus finding itself stuck with its initial budget with nowhere to expand anymore). -- Oh, and I've almost got all my work done so we should be able to start in a couple days. Gotta figure out a concrete system for the economics though.

(Only thing I changed from its historically accuracy is uniting Italy into a single state) -- And Dungeonal, we'll figure something out

Eventually yea. Yep, all is as it was at in 1776

Well, when the game starts you're in the war of independence. Lol

Country list: Arch - Prussia Icu - Great Britain Rocco - Portugal Ross - Sweden Edelweiss - Austria-Hungary Paul - Italy Earth - Poland Retech - Russia Grim - Netherlands Sere - Ottomans Dungeonal - USA Doom - France Trol - Spain ---- And here's the map we'll be using: So, tariffs would be based on the % of your provinces that are overseas (base x %), and production based on how many provinces you have that can be land linked to your capital (gotta figure out an easy way of doing this that allows more than 100%).

You can use whichever ones you want to start with, provided they've already been invented. ------ Oh, and thinking instead of Base, Tech, and Tariffs we have Base, Production, Tariffs. This way countries like say, Russia, would get next to no Tariff income, but have mega production income (since it'll be based on how many provinces you have that can be land-linked to your capital).

1776, so it's just starting. So, yeah, Great Britain is at war with the newly independent united states.

You get a +10% bonus to tarriff income, whereas others would only get +5, so I guess that counts as keeping them.

Correct, pretty much any untrained soldier will lose to a trained one when they have comparable weaponry. But the beauty in the musket is its sheer weight and terror, and the fact that it's so easy to train them with. That and the fact that you can stick a sword on the end of it. Like I said, you can use crossbowmen if you like. But they'll lose nearly every engagement against a sizeable enemy force.

It's just a region that Russia has always had a loooooong history of fighting for and over. Look, if you want to use a piece of technology that's been out of date for nearly a millenium you can. I can tell you right away though that muskets are definitely better than crossbows. But true, a good crossbowmen could beat a medium skilled (ie conscript soldier) musketman. Problem is, in the time it would take you to train a single good crossbowmen, you could trade an entire battalion of musketmen. So yea, go ahead and pit a crossbowmen against a battalion of line infantry.

Wait...you're going to give up the Crimea to the Ottomans as Russia?! Gahhhh You can use crossbowmen I suppose. I have no idea why you'd want to...but you could. Essentially the unit types are just: Line infantry Cavalry (curriaser [heavy], hussar [medium], dragoon [light]) Cannons that go boom

USA gets faster assimilation of former European colonies. So, less revolts and whatnot.

Yea you can make your own troops. However, if somebody comes to me and tells me they're going to make an army of ninja assassin spies that wield katanas and wear kevlar vests I'll just get them all killed by having them walk off a cliff. These'll be the default units: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Unit_types after that people can branch off and create their own if they'd like.

Well, I plan on having it so that changing government, religion, or your entire social structure will (rightly so) have some very bad consequences. It could be done, but it'll be painful to get through. -- Oh, and what do people think of having passive bonuses for different countries? Great Britain -10% ship costs France Troop Morale boost Spain +5% tarrifs Austria-Hungary Cheaper infantry Ottoman Empire Less chance of revolts (since it was so religious tolerant) Prussia Discipline Bonus Russia -50% Winter attrition Italy +5% technology progress Sweden (or Scandinavia depending on balancing issues) -50% winter attrition Netherlands +10% tarrif income Poland Cheaper cavalry Portugal -10% ship costs Holy Roman Emperor Troop morale boost

Dunno, I've never played Victoria to tell you the truth. That's just bizarre. And the idea of super powers only came about once the world got crazy industrialized. Russia, China, and America during this time period weren't even very big powers - USA is just newly independent and very small, China is horrendously behind in technology, and Russia is stagnant due to its antiquated government and technological progress. I was thinking of having a house rule that you can't take more than 5 provinces off a country in a single war. That way it'll stop the 'I'm France and defeated Austria-Hungary and so I annex it' silliness. This is true. I figured there would be a purchasing cost, and then a deployment cost that is 10% of the purchasing cost every time its used. So, a ship of the line would cost 600,000 to build, and cost you 60,000 each time you use it in an engagement. Keep in mind that communism was a byproduct of the industrial revolution, which hasn't actually happened yet. I was actually thinking of having a system where is was Base, Technology, and Tarriffs. Everyone starts with the same base budget, but depending on what percentage of your provinces are overseas, you get that % x your base budget. So, tarriffs would be hugely beneficial at the start (so GB would have a huge budget), but over time technology would overstrip it. Basically I just want to figure out a way that colonial powers can benefit from being colonial powers, yet not screw over continental powers. Aye, if you wanted you could be Sardinia-Piedmont, but your chances of survival are pretty slim there. ------------- And I think I'm going to assign the generals for the start, after that people can make them. This way we can have General Blücher marching his Prussians to go fight Marshal Davout hehe. Oh, and do we want a mechanic for the Holy Roman Empire? I think Austria-Hungary was the controller at this point. Maybe give whoever is Emperor a bonus to troop morale or something so its something desirable to become. And, do you guys want to have random events that'll come along? I figure they could be like...revolt pops up, technological advancement, gift of money, ships, or soldiers, subtraction of money, ships, or soldiers, or whatever. Just a little more spice. Then again, I know what happens when we overly complicate these Hegemony games.

Everything up until the point at which the game starts is entirely historically accurate. Everything after that will be shaped by whatever happens. And Christ snuff makes you sneeze like the devil.

I will proxy NPC countries occasionally to try and maintain a sort of balance of power. So if somebody starts zerging and conquering NPCs, then I'll have some country lead a defensive alliance so the next time they try and grab some easy land they find themselves at war with some coalition of NPC countries.