Wisp

How about we instead be realistic?

Wait, you thought I was kidding? ANYWAYS. I think dusty and hedge should settle this with arm wrestling irl.

It also caused a rush of water from the arctic ocean to drown the entire continent. Latino, maybe dusty could start ragnarok so we can have a battle of the gods.

Alright, ignoring logic then, the Brazilian empire has secretly been a spaceship this whole time, and has now lifted into space.

That river from the baltic is at several points under 20 feet wide, and there are multiple bridges that would have had to been opened for you to pass.

Here's a map of Germany's rivers. No rivers large enough to fit any military boat connect to the baltic sea. For you to have gone into norway's waters, you would have had to go by all of my boats.

So remind me how you got anyone to berlin again? How is a tank knocking down buildings? How are the icbm's getting through his shield? And you don't "drop" icbm's. Hell, you don't even need to use icbm's for germany, same continent. How did you manage to move millions of extremely loyal citizens out of berlin?

No, that's incredibly stupid. Here was my idea. My idea makes sense to whoever's played mass effect. Basically, we find some artifact/thing that let's us travel (basically) instantaneously to a hub. The hub is in the middle of nothingness (maybe in between two galaxies.) From the hub we can go to a set number of different areas. Each area will have atleast 3 habitable planets, and ten solar systems within 10 lightyears of where the hub takes you. And there would be only 5-10 areas. The thing to get to the hub would be atleast 5 lightyears away from earth, so it takes some research to get there. Each area is far enough from all the others that we would never reach them within a thousand years atleast of lightspeed travel. Now, like in mass effect, there is no ftl travel other than these transporters (I don't know what to call them), so you are pretty much contained to the 10 lightyear area around where it comes out. This is kind of hard to explain with words so I drew a crappy picture. We wouldn't "discover" this for a while, but if we ever need to, we could. Is this ok with all? THAT makes more sense? sounds like something from harry potter Actually, it does. Ever heard of the theory of wormholes? Magical rips in space caused by moons makes more sense? Last I checked harry potter wasn't [bleep]ing around with the time-space continuum. And from my knowledge of it, the maximum speed for things with mass (just below light speed) is not set by how fast light travels, but instead light is restrained by that speed, if that makes sense. So if the speed of light was 15x faster in another dimension, that wouldn't help us at all, since we'd still have to be able to have an infinite amount of energy (See Einstein's special relativity theory) in order to reach that speed. Germany has good fighter interceptors, and I have hypersonic bombers, which can be converted to fighters at any Brazilian air force base.

There would be one hub, which leads to all the other rifts, or whatever. If someone wanted to try to claim the hub they could, but it would be hard to defend.

I think it's some deep space probe. It might have 10k kilometers per hour though, I forget. But, we can say that they're worm holes, because that doesn't completely rape the laws of physics. It only rapes them a little. Area does not mean solar system, for what I was thinking of. I was thinking there would be no solar systems within 1 light year of where the hub gets out, so that way there couldn't be sneak attacks that easily, and then there are 10 solar systems within the area. It's not like only one person can be at each one. And dusty, how about this, so your money doesn't go to waste. We find evidence that the hub exists, and we find an artifact that allows us to reach it, but we need to build some sort of superstructure type thing in order to use it.

I agree with this, for the sake of playability. But restricted, like say teleporting divides the time it would take by 10? I say it takes 10 years to reach a planet outside of the solar system, seeing as the majority of tipit doesn't know and doesn't want to research exactly how far away some planets are. Hell, we're going to be inventing some planets. There are over 20 star systems within 12 lightyears. For god sakes, that's more than enough. A light year is 5,865,696,000,000 miles. Even if we could travel 10,000 mph, it would still take us 5,865,696,00 years to get just one lightyear, nevermind 12. 1: In real life we can already travel way faster than 10,000 mph. In game, we already have been able to get things to "close" to lightspeed.

No, that's incredibly stupid. Here was my idea. My idea makes sense to whoever's played mass effect. Basically, we find some artifact/thing that let's us travel (basically) instantaneously to a hub. The hub is in the middle of nothingness (maybe in between two galaxies.) From the hub we can go to a set number of different areas. Each area will have atleast 3 habitable planets, and ten solar systems within 10 lightyears of where the hub takes you. And there would be only 5-10 areas. The thing to get to the hub would be atleast 5 lightyears away from earth, so it takes some research to get there. Each area is far enough from all the others that we would never reach them within a thousand years atleast of lightspeed travel. Now, like in mass effect, there is no ftl travel other than these transporters (I don't know what to call them), so you are pretty much contained to the 10 lightyear area around where it comes out. This is kind of hard to explain with words so I drew a crappy picture. We wouldn't "discover" this for a while, but if we ever need to, we could. Is this ok with all?

I'm thinking of a way we can make this work without pissing off either side of the debate too much. I'll post it in a bit.

I agree with this, for the sake of playability. But restricted, like say teleporting divides the time it would take by 10? I say it takes 10 years to reach a planet outside of the solar system, seeing as the majority of tipit doesn't know and doesn't want to research exactly how far away some planets are. Hell, we're going to be inventing some planets. There are over 20 star systems within 12 lightyears. For god sakes, that's more than enough.

It really wouldn't make sense. There are atleast 20 solar systems within reasonable range of slower than light travel. And then we could always have flotilla fleets a-la mass effect ( I forget which race had them). Rocco, you said no time travel. Faster than light is, relatively, time travel.

There are already colonies outside of the solar system. Teleportation, for a start, violates a lot of theories and laws, including the uncertainty principle. And ftl violates everything else.

Both macro-teleportation and ftl are impossible, this isn't a game on rsof where you can do anything. As for stealth bombers, if you look on the bottom of the ship, you can see the open doors on the bottom, releasing the bombs, just to give a picture to it.

wat? On the wings, he said. It carries it all internally which greatly lowers how much it can hold.

I really don't think ftl should be allowed for now. Maybe that research could have been going to something else, or at the least, engines that can get up to speed faster, and be more energy efficient?

25 should be ok for a start. Stealth is mostly for radar, since everything puts out heat pretty much. The problem with getting the missiles to lock on is the fact that finding a stealth bomber is hard, especially if they're camouflaged to fit in with the sky from the bottom. And they fly very high up. So if you were able to find the stealth bomber, you could lock onto it, but finding it is the hard part. And dusty, don't forget, they're invisible too.

tanned is okay, but orange is a whole different story. Looking like an oompa loompa is not attractive. Those would be spray-on tans. So not really real.

Wormholes are possible, but then again so is god, and invisible unicorns who can fly and feed on rainbows. There is no proof of wormholes, the theory is more of a "what if" kind of thing, rather than one backed up with observation and proof. Anyways, I'm ok with no antimatter as weapons. Except maybe eventually with ship to ship combat, but nothing terrestrial. I still doubt we'll ever get to that point though.

Plasma shielding is most effective against railguns, or bullets. Explosives will still do plenty of damage. But railguns are good anti air, so it makes it so you don't need to worry about them. And a plasma shielded stealth bomber would probably cost 3 billion a piece. That's very expensive.

In 2070 of course we won't have a ftl engine because it's impossible, and basically would change so many laws of physics that it would make anything possible. Also, it would probably kill everyone in the ship due to the ridiculous amount of G's being exerted upon them. Tell you what ross, we'll see how the thread progresses, and if it ever gets to the point where we would actually need something like that, maybe we can compromise then. Because for now, we don't need anything like that. And yeah, that's a lot of energy. In theory, I guess, since it will probably never happen. 43 kilotons would be what? 1000 tsar bomba's going off at once? Christ... EDIT: Wait.. google tells me the tsar bomba was 50 megatons. So that would be a tenth of a tsar bomba. But still, if the energy from that could be channeled somehow it could be an incredible means of generating power. But it's not like we would do a gram at a time. But again, it'll probably never happen.

You're wrong according to Dan Brown. Apparently anti-matter, when it come into contact with normal matter, goes [cabbage] crazy exploding. Like 1 gram could destroy over a million square miles. 1 gram will also never be created. In real life, when looking for cheaper alternatives for getting antimatter, they are looking into mining it from the atmosphere, where they think there might be up to 16 micro grams (microgram=1 millionth of a gram). But antimatter isn't a magical thing, it just is the opposite of matter. 1 gram will only directly destroy 1 gram of matter. Though it will produce a huge amount of energy. How that energy is directed is what makes the difference.