New F2P units

[screally1]

hey can someone make a siggy for this like with the protect from pray and mage on the sides or something

 

 

 

oh and mr d, thanks for the support but i think ur straying onto the field of weapons and armor

 

 

 

im talking about monsters only

[Huta]

First, I couldn't care less if you guys can't afford members. While I understand some people don't have the means to buy members, attempting to use that fact to force Jagex to release f2p stuff is ludicris.

 

 

 

Let me give you an example. Someone downloads the demo version of the latest Grand Theft Auto game. He plays the demo to its max. He gets bored of the demo.

 

 

 

So what does he do? Does he go and get the full version? No, he decides the 30 bucks for the full game is too much, and instead starts telling Rockstar Games "You need to put more in the demo because I'm bored and can't afford the full version!!1"

 

 

 

It's not my problem, or for that matter, Jagex's problem, that you and others can't afford an already very decently priced membership.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, with that behind me, I'll move on to other subjects.

 

 

 

What is my internal reaction when I enter f2p and miss my p2p stuff? I realize I'm playing the demo version, and as a paying member I won't be able to use all my stuff in the demo worlds. My response to friends that want better stuff? Get members, or forget it.

 

 

 

The entire slant of your post, D_V, is a sense of "Jagex owes me these updates. Jagex owes non-paying members some of the abilities of people supporting the company just because a few are unable to get membership." You know what that is? Barbara Strisand. (Put it together.)

 

 

 

This isn't a "What do you feel? Don't you want to be nice to the people that can't get members?" issue. This is nothing more than the simple law of cause and effect. Put money into game, and you get more abilities. This has nothing to do with emotion; it has to do with fairness. And what we have is fair. You have a demo version you can play for free, and you have a paying version with much more content. It's your choice which version you play...

[screally1]

lol there is nothing wrong with asking... jagex has added plenty of nonmember upgrades in the past, and if they feel this is a good idea then they can implement it

 

 

 

if they dont they dont have to

[screally1]

bumpity

[Fenworth0]

Yeah when I was f2p I used to wish they had some better mage monsters to fight. The elemental mages over near Fally are okay but tougher would be better. I support.

[HardyZ003]

its always that same line:

 

 

 

- Its going to help P2P is well if F2P get new monster

 

or

 

- F2P need new stuff so they can get the feel of it and become a member - thats a load of crap.. your just geting bored and items/mobs to have fun

[screally1]

are u just gonna repeat stuff thats been said countless times before or are u gonna support?

 

 

 

its not illegal for jagex to upgrade the f2p experiance now and again is it?

[Huta]

lol there is nothing wrong with asking... jagex has added plenty of nonmember upgrades in the past, and if they feel this is a good idea then they can implement it

 

 

 

if they dont they dont have to

 

 

 

are u just gonna repeat stuff thats been said countless times before or are u gonna support?

 

 

 

its not illegal for jagex to upgrade the f2p experiance now and again is it?

 

 

 

You just proved my point. You don't want more monsters because it helps the game, you want more monsters to fight. Like the guy in my example, you're bored of the demo, and instead of getting the full version you complain and ask for more in the demo. That's just wrong...

 

 

 

You didn't address one single part of my post. You just brushed by it with a "there's nothing wrong with asking". You know what that, along with the "it's not illegal for Jagex to updgare the f2p experience" are impling?

 

 

 

"Adding new stuff to f2p isn't going to hurt."

 

 

 

Actually, it could hurt, but even at the very least but it won't help in any way. It's not going to make more members, it's not going to generate more money for Jagex. All it does is take up more space.

 

 

 

Bottom line? You want something new to fight because you're bored. End of discussion.

[Nub_Of_Noobs]

i agreee

[kelbri]

Who is this Nub_Of_Noobs guy? He came out of nowhere, posted like 20 replies like "I agree", or "Yeah, they come out of nowhere" to posts in the bugs and suggestions just to get his post count up... Who exactly do you agree with???

 

 

 

I don't wanna argue this anymore, but I do have to say this. I didn't hear anybody in this post complain as you said Huta. He made a suggestion, that was it. People make them all the time for p2p.

 

 

 

How many of these suggestions actually get taken into consideration by Jagex? A big fat 0! So what? This is a dreamers forum and a place to tell other people the bugs in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

 

 

Yeah, it is a free demo version, we all know that. And yes, it is a reasonable price, that's great. That isn't what's on trial here, it's getting 1 or 2 new mage/range monsters for BOTH f2p, and p2p.

 

 

 

If you wanna come on here and flame a f2p person that all they are doing is complaining, and begging for more stuff because they are bored, or can't afford members, then you are in the wrong spot. Try the Rants boards. So stop being a jerk and posting here, cause all you're doing is making people mad at you. Go write a 20 page rant about it, post it in the rants area, and stop flaming people who wish they could see more happen in the game, P2P OR F2P ALIKE!

 

 

 

With all that being said, yes, I still support... for F2P AND P2P.

[screally1]

lol thanx

[Huta]

Who is this Nub_Of_Noobs guy? He came out of nowhere, posted like 20 replies like "I agree", or "Yeah, they come out of nowhere" to posts in the bugs and suggestions just to get his post count up... Who exactly do you agree with???

 

 

 

I don't wanna argue this anymore, but I do have to say this. I didn't hear anybody in this post complain as you said Huta. He made a suggestion, that was it. People make them all the time for p2p.

 

 

 

How many of these suggestions actually get taken into consideration by Jagex? A big fat 0! So what? This is a dreamers forum and a place to tell other people the bugs in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

 

 

Yeah, it is a free demo version, we all know that. And yes, it is a reasonable price, that's great. That isn't what's on trial here, it's getting 1 or 2 new mage/range monsters for BOTH f2p, and p2p.

 

 

 

If you wanna come on here and flame a f2p person that all they are doing is complaining, and begging for more stuff because they are bored, or can't afford members, then you are in the wrong spot. Try the Rants boards. So stop being a jerk and posting here, cause all you're doing is making people mad at you. Go write a 20 page rant about it, post it in the rants area, and stop flaming people who wish they could see more happen in the game, P2P OR F2P ALIKE!

 

 

 

With all that being said, yes, I still support... for F2P AND P2P.

 

 

 

I want to set something straight. I did NOT flame in this thread. I debated. The flamers are, *ahem*, other people that have been posting here that don't take too kindly to being proven wrong by simple logic.

 

 

 

If I remember correctly, this section of the Tip.it forums are designed for discussion about bugs and suggestions, key word discussion. I really, really, hope the thread starter here didn't simply write this "suggestion" to hear a bunch of "yes yes" posts. He wrote this thread with the intention of getting other people's opinions, and as much as you may dislike it, I have an opinion, and I voiced it throughout this thread.

 

 

 

It's ironic that you mentioned Nub_of_Noobs's post in the same post as you attacked me with. You don't like that he posts simple "I agree" or "I disagree" comments, yet from the way you're acting, you seem to prefer it if people keep their thoughts out of their posts. Maybe we should all learn a lesson from Nub's post and avoid controversial discussions in the future? Maybe we should start posting concise little "yes" and "no" posts and skip everything else entirely?

 

 

 

In that case;

 

 

 

I disagree.

[screally1]

huta, yes i did infact start this thread with the intention on finding out how people would feel if new mage and range monsters were introduced to f2p

 

 

 

originally i did not even have a support list, since i just thought people would say oh thats a good idea, what about this monster or that monster

 

 

 

or they would say no thats not a good idea oh stop complaining etc etc

 

 

 

im not against the fact that u dissagree with me, but i am just surprised you would be jealous if just one or two stronger level mage and range units were introduced

 

 

 

please dont reply with 'no pay no get'

 

 

 

i am actually thinking of becoming a member in the summer - right now im not gonna waste my tiny allowance on something i cannot play often since i have exams soon

 

 

 

even if i was a member i would still like to see some better monsters for f2p, since it can be fun to experiance fighting other new monsters espeically of the range and melee class

 

 

 

i am not asking for dragons etc, where level 100+ monsters, dragon bones and a whole host of new items would have to be introduced

 

 

 

im simply asking if jagex would consider it ok to introduce just one or two variations of existing f2p monsters with modified attacks and drops

[screally1]

bump!

[Huta]

I never was directly opposed to this suggestion. I thought it wasn't necessary, but I didn't have a strong negative attitude towards it. This entire debate started when D_V replied rather curtly to my question, and accused me of "lacking the forsight to see how this would benefit members" and claimed I was "unable to grasp the benefits of this suggestion". I showed why I disagreed, and how it wouldn't help members in any way.

 

 

 

That's how it began.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be "jealous" if some new things were introduced into f2p. If I thought it was worth Jagex's limited time, I wouldn't have a problem, but they're swamped as is with weekly updates, CS, reports, and so on. They don't need to spend the time adding unimportant things to the f2p game.

 

 

 

What I've been debating for most of this thread are the false arguments people have proposed, such as "This would make more members" and "F2p deserves some updates". Those two, and others, are completely untrue and biased towards f2p. They're proposed by jealous non-members that want more for free. When I pointed out the problems with those arguements, I got flamed with "stop being a jerk", "stop flaming", and tons of insinuations that I "don't understand such things", ect.

 

 

 

So there you have it. A bunch of well-written arguements, and to counter them, a bunch of false insults. Why don't you make your own decision on them and see who's the jealous group here?

[kelbri]

First, Nub_Of_Noobs I mentioned, because all he wrote was "I agree", but I can't tell who he is agreeing with. As for mentioning his other posts on other threads, he put no more than 1 line responses saying yes or no, to like 20 different threads, all within about a 10 minute timeframe. Just wondering if he even read the opening statements...

 

 

 

As for everything else (more on topic that is), I don't disagree with you that this is F2P, or demo as many people call it. What I am saying is that Jagex offers the F2P, therefore supports F2P, therefore we are making suggestions in the suggestions area of a fan site to get more monsters.

 

 

 

Do F2P deserve more monsters? No. Would we like to see more monsters of varying kinds? Yes. As Jagex rules state, they own the game and everything in it, and we are renting it. Does that mean that members deserve more monsters? No. Do members expect more becase they are paying for it? Yes. Jagex could shut down the game tommorow and every member that ever paid for anything, would loose everything, with nothing to show for it. What then?

 

 

 

So let's agree to disagree that some of us wish there were more for F2P, and some of us don't think F2P should get anything else. Yes, some F2P players whine and cry that there isn't enough updates, or we need more. But some of us like to see updates no matter who they are for, F2P or P2P. Let's just be glad that we have the game we like to play, at the price we like to pay, free or not.

[Tetsuya]

Sure, I guess I support. :)

 

 

 

Some stronger magic using enemies will make things interesting on f2p.

 

:lol:

[sonerohi]

Huta, I'm forgetting the quote button and shooting this straight at you.

 

 

 

I want to know, what is your internal reaction when you have to come to F2P to pk or team up with buddies who can't be P2P? Do you encounter some kind of "I wish I could use this P2P item here" feeling when you try to launch into battle and you can't use that nice P2P stuff? Do you wish your F2P buddies could have better? Or do you have fun dying, losing your stuff, and laughing at your own friends because they can't come to P2P with you?

 

 

 

Now, do you wish you had better stuff to support your levels when you're ranging or maging on F2P?

 

 

 

(Something tells me you do. :wink: ... I'd be very appalled if you didn't, in fact I would have to think you're anything but human if you didn't. :( ...)

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

 

 

 

 

 

when i go pking with my f2p buddies and we die i use my sw00t members skills to h4x jagex and get stuff back for them. but then i laugh at them when they say the owe me one and i force them to pk with me as their favor that they owe me. never ending cycle until we finally have a succesful trip.

[Huta]

First, Nub_Of_Noobs I mentioned, because all he wrote was "I agree", but I can't tell who he is agreeing with. As for mentioning his other posts on other threads, he put no more than 1 line responses saying yes or no, to like 20 different threads, all within about a 10 minute timeframe. Just wondering if he even read the opening statements...

 

 

 

As for everything else (more on topic that is), I don't disagree with you that this is F2P, or demo as many people call it. What I am saying is that Jagex offers the F2P, therefore supports F2P, therefore we are making suggestions in the suggestions area of a fan site to get more monsters.

 

 

 

Do F2P deserve more monsters? No. Would we like to see more monsters of varying kinds? Yes. As Jagex rules state, they own the game and everything in it, and we are renting it. Does that mean that members deserve more monsters? No. Do members expect more becase they are paying for it? Yes. Jagex could shut down the game tommorow and every member that ever paid for anything, would loose everything, with nothing to show for it. What then?

 

 

 

So let's agree to disagree that some of us wish there were more for F2P, and some of us don't think F2P should get anything else. Yes, some F2P players whine and cry that there isn't enough updates, or we need more. But some of us like to see updates no matter who they are for, F2P or P2P. Let's just be glad that we have the game we like to play, at the price we like to pay, free or not.

 

 

 

I'm like really wasted from last night, so this post may not make the best of sense, but here goes.

 

 

 

What's the bottom line of your post? What I've gathered is a) f2p doesn't deserve updates, B) p2p doesn't own anything, and c) Jagex ultimately controls the entire game.

 

 

 

That's true, but there is still a crucial difference between the paying members and the f2ps. F2p is merely an advertisement. P2p is a version that is payed for. Yes, if Jagex decided to, they could simply stop updating members or even close down the entire game. It's their game.

 

 

 

You could say the same thing about any company in existance. Microsoft doesn't have to keep releasing new versions of Windows. Blizzard doesn't have to keep releasing new patches for WoW. Olive Garden doesn't need to keep making new menus. Not even the Lays company is obligated to make new flavors of chips.

 

 

 

But those companys, along with Jagex, have business sense. They know that customers prefer new stuff to play/use/eat/or whatever, so they spend a lot of time and money developing new stuff to sell.

 

 

 

Take Lays, for example. They have both an active advertising scheme that involves free samples at various stores, and a fairly happy customer base. Then there are the people that just don't buy Lays potato chips. Maybe they're on a diet. Maybe they're trying to save money. Maybe they just don't like the taste. Whatever it is, the only way these people might eat those chips is if they're given for free.

 

 

 

Now, let's propose a situation. For some reason, they've been getting swamped with problems at Lays' central office. Longtime customers are getting fed up with lame tasting flavors, terrible packaging, bad customer service, and a few of the customers have even found bugs in their chips! Eew! :shock:

 

 

 

What should the CEO do in this case? Should he ignore the problems from the devoted customer base and focus on better training for the people giving out free samples at Sam's? Should he pour millions into a great new advertising scheme and try to get new customers? Or should he focus on the internal problems that are disaffecting the old fans of Lays chips and make the people that have spent a good deal of money on his company's snacks happy?

 

 

 

Goofy example? Yeah. But it does illustrate my point.

 

 

 

If Jagex devotes all their time trying to improve the experience of the people eating the "free chips" and not the people that actually pay, they end up losing both groups.

 

 

 

Think about it. Suppose the new Lays ad campaign goes well, and 10,000 more people start buying their chips. Those ignored problems are still there, and all those new customers will find one of them sooner or later. If a few more f2ps sign up for membership because of these new NPCs (a very unlikely situation, actually), they're going to be just as put off by the problems in members as the vets. You didn't gain new customers, you lost some.

 

 

 

The bottom line? It's all about priorities. Look at how bad customer support is. Look at the problems in this game. Jagex is hardpressed right now to keep producing decent updates. When they release useless updates like the "runecrafting update", they're showing how short they are on ideas. When autoers are flooding both the non-member and the paying worlds and 9/10s of all ban appeals get automated responses, it just shows how short their CS is right now. They don't need the added hassle of adding optional npcs that would be completely useless to anybody but non-members. They have bigger and more pressing issues to deal with.

 

 

 

That's why I oppose this suggestion.

[kelbri]

I'm done. Why? Because you are making less and less sense. Lays potato chips? Yeah, that kinda makes sense, but then I could argue, "If all I eat is Lays potato chips, and they stopped making them, I would die". Where is the relevance? There is none.

 

 

 

Here's my bottom line (no respose after this). Yes, F2P is that, FREE. P2P is that, PAY. You pay, you get more than free. All this thread is doing (like numerous others), is asking for is a few more (one or two) monsters (mage or ranged) for the F2P world. Not out of the ordinary, and not impossible for Jagex to do. Yeah, they have other stuff to do, but they really don't have to make updates for P2P either if they don't want to.

 

 

 

This is what the SUGGESTION forum is for. If sombody wants to suggest 10 new monsters, or 500 new bank slots, or a new quest, or flying monkeys for P2P, nobody is gonna care. But as soon as somebody suggests ANYTHING for F2P, then there is an uproar from the P2P community that they don't deserve it, cause they don't pay. Or that if they are bored, then pay for members. Or even, they are just whining and want more free stuff, for free. Get over it, move on, and don't worry about F2P. If Jagex didn't want us freeloaders, then they would make us pay to play everything other than tutorial island.