we're good - they're evil

[hohto]

Anyway. I agree with you very much that the USA needs to (a) create hard and fast laws that provide basic human rights and the democracy/freedom it claims to embody

 

 

 

Not just USA, but every country too :P United Nations already got some laws which many countries, including USA, have promised to follow. However it's scary how many of them has been broken.

 

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

 

 

 

and (B) follow those laws, including international law already set in place. I also find it hard to understand how we are criticizing Iraq and other "uncivilized" (in quotes because of the haunting historical ring that should have) nations for practices that we are ourselves guilty of - if we aren't ourselves being decent role models.

 

 

 

Following rules is harder than setting them. When we want to do something, we find a loophole from the rules we wrote ourself or we just abandon them. However when the others do the same, it's against the rules and they should be punished.

 

 

 

The problem is that we don't have an union that's strong enough to first make an international law that's equal to everyone and then force people to follow it. In "normal life" this could be seen as normal situation: we got our laws and we got polices and jury so the law can be followed. Currently we aren't in that stage. If USA cares UN so much that they don't follow it's rules and can attack other countries even when UN doesn't support it, we're not in a good shape.

 

 

 

One solution could be a world goverment. However that seems far too distant at the moment. We don't seem to allow others to catch our current state at economic fields if that's away from us. Even European Union has problems like this, what it would be like if we tried to stop USA, Russia and China from abusing their powers and how could we even first get them to a serious thing which would mean an end to their dreams of power and richness?

[warri0r45]

Good guesses, it was USA and this Mr. X is Khalid El-Masri, a Lebanon born German. His name was something similar to a terrorist so he was captured during his vacation to Macedonia.

 

 

 

If you ask me, it could be considered as an act of international terrorism. No goverment should be allowed to send their agents to capture a citizen of some other country just because he is suspected to be something. Here's some links to it and you can find one version of his story from Wikipedia by searching articles with his name.

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02107.html

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/artic ... 58,00.html

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6999272/site/newsweek/

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/ ... 8155.shtml

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spi ... 85,00.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... 9720070625

 

^last one being newest

 

 

 

In my eyes this is now about more than just one random person being kidnapped and tortured. It shows that we still got goverments that are willing to do things against their own laws (fair trials, innocent until proven guilty, torture, etc), hunt foreign people from foreign countries and so on.

 

 

 

Some may wonder why did I choose that title. The reason is simple: now when we, the western world, do something like this, it tends to be ok. We don't talk about it in media and we try to hide facts like this. However if this had crime was commit by some of them, the countries we don't count to be part of the western world, we'd see it at the frontpage of every magazine. We're blind to see the mistakes done by us, but we see every mistake done by the others.

 

 

 

I personally don't believe we guilty ones will ever be punished for this in a way they should. Most news companies don't write a single line about it and the goverment of USA or CIA will probably be silent or give some apologies and fire one or two random people for it.

 

 

 

Too true. Look out for coverup after excuse after blame shift. I don't really expect that they'll be punished like any decent folk knows they should.

[IGoddessI]

I also thought USA or Russia, but Russia tends not to return people.

 

 

 

Haha my thoughts exactly

[Leonn]

I agree with KCHughes and Rick about it being Russia or the USA. But granted this was posted by a Fin I'm tending to lean more along the lines of Russia.

 

 

 

But if they've been tried in court I'd expect Russia to pull a fast one or some tricks over the USA, probably prolonging the event, so my best bet is Russia.

 

 

 

+1 definatley USA or Russia its just the way they roll.. :anxious:

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+1 definatley USA or Russia its just the way they roll.. :anxious:

Read thread then post :uhh:

[Achilleus]

Can I Join the Island :)? Can I be Deputy Vice President, I'll even take Foreign Minister