Disturbing....

[WutangFlu]

They were harassing him and being mouthy and struggling with him.

 

 

 

Since when is trying to reason with someone illegal? trying to reason with a cop give them no reason to be forceful, especially when they are doing it in a non violent manner. The kid was not mouthing off, if you were in his situation and started being treated by a cop in an unjust manner you would be infuriated too.

 

 

 

Instead of moving away from the scene other skateboarders just gathered up around the police officer, he was out numbered and probably felt intimidated, he did his duty in restraining the youths, if they cooperated with him he would not have to use physical action against them.

 

 

 

Edit: And also it's disgraceful how they put up the officers personal details on their website, I bet some of the youths will cause trouble to him just for doing his job.

 

 

 

they had to gather because they were told to... if they didn't you'd just be saying they were fleeing from an officer. They were cooperating fully its just when they started questioning the cops motives "we were just skating whats your deal" when the cop when ape on them and started acting ... violent.

 

 

 

Those are not his personal details, other than his name.. the numbers are for the local police dept. along with the address and fax, they are for the police station. They also have a the right as a citizen to ask for the name of the officer, and do as they please with it.

 

 

 

just because they are kids you judge them to a point were what they show in the video is not credible. Kids don't go looking for trouble with police... this is a prime example of an officer over reacting. What he should have done is just gone up to the kids, and told them to go elsewhere or action will be taken against them, which unless you are a complete idiot you wouldn't not listen to a cop. And even if they did disobey, the force he used was unnecessary.

 

 

 

i probably repeated myself a couple times, whatever.

[Chocobodude0]

"Put your hands behind your back or I'll spray you"

 

 

 

"We're arrested for skateboarding?"

 

"Yup." [He had said this after he had told them they were arrested for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest (?), etc.]

 

 

 

It's times like these where I understand why N.W.A said "[F-word] the police"

[Bloodstain]

 

 

 

just because they are kids you judge them to a point were what they show in the video is not credible. Kids don't go looking for trouble with police... this is a prime example of an officer over reacting.

 

Just like people in this thread judge the cop without knowing what provoked him to get so angry. Whenever people see a cop getting rough with people they shout bloody murder. If you're going to break the law then don't expect to be treated nicely, especially if you are going to try and run. And i don't think its right to list his name either, he's just doing his job. As for the girl, he clearly said you are in violation of city rules and are under arrest too. Then she turn and tried to make a break for it, and judging by how her friend ran, i think she was dealt with fairly. If you're going to try to run expect to be roughed up, just stand there and let him put the cuffs on instead of being a moron

 

And you can hear the kids yelling WHAT THE F*** DUDE!!

 

 

 

Also, this video reminded me of these ones :lol:

 

http://www.break.com/index/security_gua ... kater.html

 

http://www.break.com/index/skatervsguard.html (warning, some swearing in this one but funny as heck)

 

^ They deserved what they got there too imo

[zaquierming]

 

 

 

just because they are kids you judge them to a point were what they show in the video is not credible. Kids don't go looking for trouble with police... this is a prime example of an officer over reacting.

 

Just like people in this thread judge the cop without knowing what provoked him to get so angry. Whenever people see a cop getting rough with people they shout bloody murder. If you're going to break the law then don't expect to be treated nicely, especially if you are going to try and run. And i don't think its right to list his name either, he's just doing his job. As for the girl, he clearly said you are in violation of city rules and are under arrest too. Then she turn and tried to make a break for it, and judging by how her friend ran, i think she was dealt with fairly. If you're going to try to run expect to be roughed up, just stand there and let him put the cuffs on instead of being a moron

 

And you can hear the kids yelling WHAT THE F*** DUDE!!

 

 

 

They were being arrested for skateboarding. Skateboarding does not warrant an arrest. It warrants a ticket, but could have easily been let off with a warning. We don't shout bloody murder when a cop gets rough, we shout bloody murder when a cop uses excessive force, which is exactly what this was. Yes, they can list his name. I'm sure you'd have no problem if they listed his name for his honorable police work, just because it's listed in a bad light doesn't mean it's wrong, don't be biased. The girl was not dealt with fairly, she was afraid and wasn't going to run, she was walking. If she was trying to leave the scene, she would have ran, not walked. And then the cop flips out and throws her into a headlock. She's a 110 pound girl, he's a 250 pound man, she was causing no threat to anyone, the headlock was unarguably excessive. Then the kid, upset at what is happening walks over and tries to reason with the cop, and gets put into a headlock(do I need to state how this was excessive too?) and gets thrown to the ground.

[Bloodstain]

 

 

 

just because they are kids you judge them to a point were what they show in the video is not credible. Kids don't go looking for trouble with police... this is a prime example of an officer over reacting.

 

Just like people in this thread judge the cop without knowing what provoked him to get so angry. Whenever people see a cop getting rough with people they shout bloody murder. If you're going to break the law then don't expect to be treated nicely, especially if you are going to try and run. And i don't think its right to list his name either, he's just doing his job. As for the girl, he clearly said you are in violation of city rules and are under arrest too. Then she turn and tried to make a break for it, and judging by how her friend ran, i think she was dealt with fairly. If you're going to try to run expect to be roughed up, just stand there and let him put the cuffs on instead of being a moron

 

And you can hear the kids yelling WHAT THE F*** DUDE!!

 

 

 

They were being arrested for skateboarding. Skateboarding does not warrant an arrest. It warrants a ticket, but could have easily been let off with a warning. We don't shout bloody murder when a cop gets rough, we shout bloody murder when a cop uses excessive force, which is exactly what this was. Yes, they can list his name. I'm sure you'd have no problem if they listed his name for his honorable police work, just because it's listed in a bad light doesn't mean it's wrong, don't be biased. The girl was not dealt with fairly, she was afraid and wasn't going to run, she was walking. If she was trying to leave the scene, she would have ran, not walked. And then the cop flips out and throws her into a headlock. She's a 110 pound girl, he's a 250 pound man, she was causing no threat to anyone, the headlock was unarguably excessive. Then the kid, upset at what is happening walks over and tries to reason with the cop, and gets put into a headlock(do I need to state how this was excessive too?) and gets thrown to the ground.

 

Looks like she more ran to me, but as it was on national skateboard day or what ever you can tell it is a trouble for the city, imagine skateboarders everywhere. If the city rules are arrest for skateboarding, then thats what he does. Break a law, suffer the consequences. And again, we don't know what the people did to make him so angry since we only saw from the part where he was holding the kid by the throat, pretty one sided in my opinion

 

 

 

Also, about listing the name, im pretty sure the website can get in trouble if he didn't want his personal info to be released but i honestly have no clue. And no, i wouldn't have a problem if it was for an award or something, because he would have consented to it, and they put it all up there for people to likely pester him and egg his house and what not =;

[destro3979]

wow...

 

he should of just asked them to stop....

 

if they didn't then he could do something but still he went way to far

[superson]

Some people are saying that the cop's actions were justified because the kids tried running...

 

 

 

Running from WHAT? They were never doing anything wrong in the first place..

 

 

 

And if a cop stops you, when you aren't doing anything wrong, to say 'Hi' or whatever, I guess it's rude to run away, but certainly not illegal.

[Bloodstain]

Some people are saying that the cop's actions were justified because the kids tried running...

 

 

 

Running from WHAT? They were never doing anything wrong in the first place..

 

 

 

And if a cop stops you, when you aren't doing anything wrong, to say 'Hi' or whatever, I guess it's rude to run away, but certainly not illegal.

 

He was arresting them for breaking a (im assuming) local law, which would be why fleeing the police would be illegal

[zaquierming]

Some people are saying that the cop's actions were justified because the kids tried running...

 

 

 

Running from WHAT? They were never doing anything wrong in the first place..

 

 

 

And if a cop stops you, when you aren't doing anything wrong, to say 'Hi' or whatever, I guess it's rude to run away, but certainly not illegal.

 

He was arresting them for breaking a (im assuming) local law, which would be why fleeing the police would be illegal

 

 

 

Don't assume anything. Skateboarding is not illegal in the state of Arkansas.

 

 

 

Here's an un-edited version of the video because the Police claimed that the video had been edited to make the Officers look bad.

[WutangFlu]

if there is a law in a city where it says you can not skate, its the city's responsibility to provide a place for recreation of those sorts. (from what ive been told)

 

 

 

they probably weren't even skating, see all those people in the video? yeah.. not much room. They were probably just walking with their boards to go somewhere.

[Bloodstain]

Some people are saying that the cop's actions were justified because the kids tried running...

 

 

 

Running from WHAT? They were never doing anything wrong in the first place..

 

 

 

And if a cop stops you, when you aren't doing anything wrong, to say 'Hi' or whatever, I guess it's rude to run away, but certainly not illegal.

 

He was arresting them for breaking a (im assuming) local law, which would be why fleeing the police would be illegal

 

 

 

Don't assume anything. Skateboarding is not illegal in the state of Arkansas.

 

 

 

Here's an un-edited version of the video because the Police claimed that the video had been edited to make the Officers look bad.

 

 

 

All that video shows is the cop telling the kid to get on his stomach, which he has to tell him multiple times with his friends yelling at him, and the cop saying that he ran from him, which is also illegal

 

 

 

Also, skateboarding there was illegal:

 

"Hot Springs Mayor Mike Bush said Tuesday that investigators have talked with witnesses who saw the officer, Joey Williams, stop the skateboarders on a downtown city sidewalk last Thursday. Skateboarding is banned in the area." http://www.officer.com/online/article.j ... 1&id=36666

 

 

 

I think this person says pretty much how i feel:

 

"The police is not paid to take your [cabbage]. Officer is trying to do his job, and you start talking smack, getting in his way, becoming an obstruction to the performance of his job, you're going to get done for it.

 

 

 

No evidence from the clips available that the officer was choking the girl, an adult male is fully capable of restraining a person by their neck without cutting off air.

 

 

 

The dude is pissed, yeah, and that's bad, but its not as bad as being made out. We don't know what happened in the lead up, there's reference to the girl running, and to her fighting, if that's the case, I have no problem with the officer laying down the law to her.

 

 

 

Being a police officer is a [cabbage] of a job, and [bleep]-off kids like these deliberately flaunting the cities rules just make the officers' jobs that much harder.

 

 

 

If the CITY says NO SKATEBOARDING you don't organise some sort of skate-a-thon, and expect not to get in trouble for it. If you're skating at all you have to know it's going to be risky.

 

 

 

As a result of their actions, they now face fines and a possible criminal record. Next time, hopefully, they'll let the officer do his job. If they have a complaint, they can take it up after.

 

 

 

 

 

Remember, police officers do not write the laws, and they have NO authority to pick and choose which ones to enforce."

[Errdoth]

Wow, um...

 

I can't even think of a response for this.

 

 

 

I've been skateboarding down main street, and a cop approached us, and told us to leave. We left. End of story.

 

 

 

I actually wish one of those kids was of a different ethnicity, and lived in LA, man, the media would never get enough of it.

[Bloodstain]

Wow, um...

 

I can't even think of a response for this.

 

 

 

I've been skateboarding down main street, and a cop approached us, and told us to leave. We left. End of story.

 

 

 

I actually wish one of those kids was of a different ethnicity, and lived in LA, man, the media would never get enough of it.

 

I bet you didn't try to run from the cop though :anxious:

[WutangFlu]

bloodstain, i advise you to watch this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liihLc_j ... h_response

[Bloodstain]

He didn't choke the kid, he held him by the neck. Even when he had the girl in the neckc lock you could hear her yelling, if you were being choked, actually choked and not held by the neck you wouldn't be able to yell. If people are resisting arrest, how are you going to get them to comply? You need to use some force, its not like he went and used the pepper spray. The law is the law.

[zaquierming]

He didn't choke the kid, he held him by the neck. Even when he had the girl in the neckc lock you could hear her yelling, if you were being choked, actually choked and not held by the neck you wouldn't be able to yell. If people are resisting arrest, how are you going to get them to comply? You need to use some force, its not like he went and used the pepper spray. The law is the law.

 

 

 

They're kids. A grab of the arm would have been sufficient, they weren't armed. There was no need to "grab their neck".

[biggy08755]

Did the cop even read them their rights?

 

 

 

And then the 2 kids get arrested asking why she was getting arrested for skateboarding?

 

 

 

And then the kid in the red shirt got arrested for "resisting arrest"?

 

 

 

He didn't resist. The cop told him to put the camera down which he did and then told him to get on his stomache. Which the kid also did...

[Bloodstain]

They're kids, big whoop. You're saying we should treat them differently just because they are younger? Also, not all of them were kids.

 

"two of those arrested as McCormack, 21, and Skylar Nalls, 19, both of Hot Springs. McCormack faces a misdemeanor battery charge after allegedly pushing or striking a 67-year-old city employee during the altercation, Means said. Nalls was cited for skateboarding and faces misdemeanor charges of fleeing and obstructing governmental operations."

 

They broke the law, police shouldn't go any easier on younger people who break the law than middle age people who break the law.

[WutangFlu]

2 hands? on top?.... and your telling me this is necessary why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're kids, big whoop. You're saying we should treat them differently just because they are younger? Also, not all of them were kids.

 

 

 

we treat people differently because they are older.. you dont see a 8 year old go to prison for life for killing his parents with a shotgun, admitting to it, and telling the police he wanted to do it. And it has happened.. i dont remember his age.. but it was under 12 for sure. And since he was a minor.. no life in prison..

 

 

 

Kids go to wars? Kids are allowed to vote? no...

[Bloodstain]

I see one hand on the neck or beside it on the pavement and one behind his back, but the pic is kinda dark so i guess thats open for interpretation, also looks more like he's bending down and not putting force on him. Lets face it, if someone that big put his pressure on your thoat, you would be choking and complaining that it hurts, but the kid is up and walking when the cop goes to chase the other one

[zaquierming]

I see one hand on the neck or beside it on the pavement and one behind his back, but the pic is kinda dark so i guess thats open for interpretation, also looks more like he's bending down and not putting force on him. Lets face it, if someone that big put his pressure on your thoat, you would be choking and complaining that it hurts, but the kid is up and walking when the cop goes to chase the other one

 

 

 

Looks to me like the kid is trying to pry the officers hand off of his neck.

[WutangFlu]

I see one hand on the neck or beside it on the pavement and one behind his back, but the pic is kinda dark so i guess thats open for interpretation, also looks more like he's bending down and not putting force on him. Lets face it, if someone that big put his pressure on your thoat, you would be choking and complaining that it hurts, but the kid is up and walking when the cop goes to chase the other one

 

 

 

if u were choking.. you wouldn't be complaining, let along talking...

 

 

 

"also looks more like he's bending down and not putting force on him."

 

bending down? if i bend down and my hand is on someones throat... more of my weight is going to be directed to the throat.

[Bloodstain]

Pry? From what i saw, he only had it there a few seconds, although the shot looked far away to me so i couldn't see crystal clear. And it is a instinct to try to get someone off you when they are holding you, for me atleast.

 

And LP, if you are bending down, you would still be on your knees, by bending i don't mean leaning on the kids neck

[zaquierming]

Pry? From what i saw, he only had it there a few seconds, although the shot looked far away to me so i couldn't see crystal clear. And it is a instinct to try to get someone off you when they are holding you, for me atleast.

 

And LP, if you are bending down, you would still be on your knees, by bending i don't mean leaning on the kids neck

 

 

 

No, cause that would be "resisting arrest" right?

[Bloodstain]

Pry? From what i saw, he only had it there a few seconds, although the shot looked far away to me so i couldn't see crystal clear. And it is a instinct to try to get someone off you when they are holding you, for me atleast.

 

And LP, if you are bending down, you would still be on your knees, by bending i don't mean leaning on the kids neck

 

 

 

No, cause that would be "resisting arrest" right?

 

Doubt he would bust him for that, just grabbing his arm and not trying to wrestle while he was lying on the ground