Terms and Conditions - Tip.it forums

[Bobbington]

Greetings and salutations!

 

 

 

I wish to spend some time looking at the terms and conditions of these forms that need updateing to become more usefull for the player base.

 

In particular I wish to focus on copyright!

 

 

 

Most tipiters know of the RuneScape Bugs & Suggestions forum, here players often post suggestions for new content they wish to see used by Jagex on the offical site. However! does Jagex have the right to use them? sadly not! it was stated a while back to players that Jagex cannot use the suggestions posted on the fan site forums for Copyright reasons.

 

 

 

If we take a look at the offical Terms+Conditions we find the following section:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This basically states that because infomation is posted on the offical forums, or suggested via the message center/ingame, Jagex recive an unlimited licence to use an idea provided. It is however worth remembering that the copywrite will always remain property of the author.

 

 

 

Jagex can use the ideas, becase they have a legal right to use them, but when it tome to the Tip.it terms and conditions for the forums we get:

 

 

 

While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionalble material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

 

 

 

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, bulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

 

 

 

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There is no mention of copyright, meaning that Jagex cannot use infomation, images, ideas, etc found on the site. Sadly this also refers to our suggestions forum meaning such things as the new bank layout suggestion, cannot be used unless Jagex start the ideas prosess form scratch.

 

 

 

To a lesser extent it could also apply to player made guides etc, currently Tip.it do not have an unlimited licence to use the material and so as such, a player remains the right to demand for it's removal with no notice. whilst it would be apparent in any legal eyes that licence is granted by posting Tip,it updates onto this site it is not binding.

 

 

 

The conditions for things such as tip.it times is working fine as it states that Tip,it will have the right toe edit, and use it at their discression, although to make the site more usefull for the players the topic of Jagex licenceing is I feel important.

 

 

 

I would recomend and update to the terms and conditions stating that all material submitted to the tip.it forums is granted an unlimited licence to use for any purpose on http://www.tip.it, whilst remaining the right to remove, edit or change content. It also needs to be stated that Jagex LTD also is presented these rights, for the use of content on their site, forums, or game unless directly stated otherwise by the thread author/poster.

 

 

 

To clear up already existing material on these forums a 28 day period should be offered to users to edit or remove content that they do not wish to be used by Jagex (although I am sure people wont do this). and it should also mention "tip.it reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of these forum with no prior warning"

 

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer:

 

 

 

To my best knowledge these terms of use are not already written anywhere on this site, if they are I fully appologise for beliveing otherwise.... and will go hand my head in shame :uhh:

[InkofDeath]

Pardon me, but explain to me, why Tip.It would want Jagex to be able to have the right in a 'license' to demand the removal, or the edited parts of some content?

 

 

 

I agree Jagex should be allowed to use some of the content, or ideas posted here. Which is all possible if Jagex follows the Terms & Conditions. By allowing Jagex to have the power to remove, or edit content is way too much just to allow them to use idea's or content posted here. I don't know why anyone would want Jagex to be allowed to edit, or remove content...

 

 

 

I'm in high disagreement with any of this, unless what I see is totally far off from what bobbington2 is suggesting, a suggestion that in my view could turn Tip.It into a five year old playground. Keep Jagex out to a certain amount, and let them in only so much.

 

 

 

I would not like to have to not post certain ideas, because jagex will be allowed to use them. A lot of user like to post idea's that Jagex may not use, and with this, that would be lost, and a great deal of posters, including myself would be infuriated. This is...'dumb', and I cannot see Tip.It changing any of their Terms & Conditions to allow Jagex to use content from players. :shame:

 

 

 

If I'm off, please explain to me differently, for I like to see things that may not matter entirely.

[Bobbington]

I think you are miss understanting me totaly.....

 

 

 

The bugs and suggestions forum, it's main purpose is so players can suggest content that they want Jagex to make.... under the current agreement players can suggest it, but Jagex cant use it..... this makes it a bit usless!

 

 

 

It would be far better if the agreement was changed to Jagex can use the suggestions that players are making for the game.

 

 

 

They will not have the right to edit items on the site at all..... you have miss read that. It needs to be worded better so Jagex can only use data from bugs and suggestions.... and so tip.it can use suggestion from all of it.

 

 

 

When I say the right to edit change of remove content, I was refering to while its in thier (tip.its) use.

 

 

 

Say an update is made, and a map needs changing, that line means they have permission from the creator to make changed to the map. rather than starting again.

 

 

 

I am in no way suggesting anything that changing anything on the site, for any parties, all I am mearly stating is an addapion needs to be made to the terms and conditions so it can be used as tip.it intends it.

 

 

 

What is the point of making runescape suggestions with 100's of supporters, and 1000's of views if Jagex cant use it?

 

 

 

I will read over my opening post again to try and read it how you did..... but I though ti was clear.

[darkblade986]

bobbington2: If you could please do us a favor (this is a request as a user, not as a staff member), replace the picture of the Tip.It Terms and Conditions with this. Your current picture stretches the window which makes reading difficult. Either that or crop your picture down to size a little more.

 

 

 

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[quote name="Tip.It Terms and Conditions"]While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionalble material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.



You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, bulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.



This forum system uses cookies to store informatino on your local computer. These cookies do not contain any of the information you have entered above; they serve only to improve your view pleasure. The e-mail address is used only for confirmiing your registration detail sand passwords (and for sending new passords should you forget your current one).



By clicking Register below youa gree to be bound by these conditions.[/quote]

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From my point of view skatedog, you got the idea. An easy way to fix this, however, without modifying the Terms and Conditions (at least based on my limited knowledge of Copyright laws) is to just make an announcement basically stating the following.

 

 

 

Due to Copyright issues, JaGEx is unable to accept many submissions from this site. If you wish for your suggestion to be considered, add a notice at the top or bottom of your suggestion giving full permission for JaGEx to use and/or modify your idea for the Runescape game.

 

 

 

Anyone who follows these instructions will then have given permission to JaGEx to use their idea without copyright issues. About the only issue I can see is people revoking the permission on JaGEx (which I'm not sure they're allowed to do or not) and then trying to get a quick buck on JaGEx by suing them, which puts us back at the original issue.

[Bobbington]

Thanks, I edited the message.... I am running in widescreen so looked normal for me :P

 

 

 

In terms of revoking a licence to use copywrite.....

 

It has to be stated by the owner the terms or licenceing unless clearly stated otherwise by their posting location (for example on the offical forms).

 

 

 

Your bit about adding :

 

 

 

Due to Copyright issues, JaGEx is unable to accept many submissions from this site. If you wish for your suggestion to be considered, add a notice at the top or bottom of your suggestion giving full permission for JaGEx to use and/or modify your idea for the Runescape game.

 

 

 

is almost there but it needs to state that the terms of licence is for an unlimited period with no right to remove. Jagex could not accept an idea that could be asked for removal after a period of time.... and it must be stated as such.

 

 

 

It may be worth a sticky on bugs and suggestions with a line people could use that has been correctly worked out for legal statnding (even by getting it form jagex legal team).

 

 

 

It sould also be stated that contributers to the thread and thus idea are also bound by the agreement by the thread author.

[InkofDeath]

I would recomend and update to the terms and conditions stating that all material submitted to the tip.it forums is granted an unlimited licence to use for any purpose on http://www.tip.it, whilst remaining the right to remove, edit or change content. It also needs to be stated that Jagex LTD also is presented these rights, for the use of content on their site, forums, or game unless directly stated otherwise by the thread author/poster.

 

 

 

If you grant these same rights, Jagex will be presented the right to edit or change content. So I'd suggest editing that part, since it basically means Jagex would be able to demand removal, or the edit of content, since you say Jagex is also presented these rights. The rights were the ones above, whilist remaining the right to remove, edit, or change content. I was coming from that paragraph.

 

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I think thats the simplest solution possible, and would probably work the best. Though as bobbington2 stated it needs to be touched up a bit. Its also good to always give users a choice.

[pokemama]

Not saying this is helpful towards your specific issue, but here are the references I could find about copyright on Tip.It.

 

 

 

 

 

http://tip.it/runescape/?page=about.htm#copyright

 

Tip.It "About" page

 

 

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=480329

 

Forum Rules - SECTION 4 - COPYRIGHT POLICY

 

 

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=560044

 

AOW/PMG rules and guidelines

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately any decisions on your proposal/question would need to be made by the administrators, so anything posted here is just discussion.

[Bobbington]

Thanks Pokemama, that clears up all copy law as far as i can see as far as tip.it is conserned. So it's just (I feel) bugs and suggestions that needs some wording change to be usable as wanted.

 

 

 

skatedog111, I think you uinderstand what i am trying to say, but yes my wording is off..... I was always bad when it came to the wording!

 

 

 

But just an important point: any video or printscreen you take of the game/forums/or website will always remain the property of Jagex, and they maintain copyright over it. Saying that..... if there was an image used on thsi site that Jagex feel breaches the terms and agreements of their site that reserve the righ to ask for it's immediate removal/change.

 

 

 

This is why Youtube vids are somtimes taken down, and several times images used on this site are removed by jagex (usually via the image hosting companies). So although it was not what i ment.... in alot of situations that have the legal right to that anyway.

[dutycalls5609]

If it has no mention of copyright, can't one simply put their suggestion under a license?

 

 

 

Example: The GNU, MIT, or Creative Commons General Public License is applied to someones suggestion. JaGeX says: Hey! That's a good idea and begins development of it.

 

 

 

All they have to do is in the announcement for the new feature, say that it was influenced by on a third-party site (no need to mention; they're stingy about that).