Ghosts, Spirits, and Demons...

[BlueLancer]

 

and if your window isnt open? and if no one is parking in the driveway?

 

 

 

what if you dont even have a window in the room your in? can headlights shine through walls?

 

 

 

Place a videocam in your room and prove it happened, and post it here. There are multiple international prizes worth a few million dollars to a person who can prove supernatural events. After decades nobody has ever claimed these prizes (because 'supernatural' doesn't exist)

 

 

 

Energy doesn't come out of nowhere, you were asleep, or you could just be seeing things. Thousands of people are hospitalized every year for being delusional, to the degree that it hurts their lives (seeing "angels" and "divine lights")

 

 

 

There is plenty of available technology to prove flows of energy/heat/coldness are moving inside a given space. There have been numerous people claiming under supervised conditions "there it is, I'm seeing the ghost now" yet absolutely nothing is visible and no physical change has occurred in the room.

 

 

 

Please, let's not go into the "duh, it's supernatural so the censors don't show it". We might just as well start arguing if Mercifull's teapot orbiting around the sun exists or not.

[Nom]

Your arguing over semantics :P

 

Take it, or ignore it, what can I say? Don't start argues, that's just stupid and annoying.

 

 

 

Quite frankly, I didn't take it as semantics. When you used "d", it just sounded uneducated. Hence my middle schooler comment. You're dealing with more than words, you're dealing with entire abstract concepts, so really, I don't think that semantics would even apply. And I'm not trying to start an argument. Just pointing out what would appear to be a misconception, and that that is how I took it.

 

Wow, very full of yourself aren't you?

 

 

 

For your information, I'm turning 18. Not that you deserved to know, but I'm giving you that pearl right now.

 

 

 

You were comparing apples and oranges. Whatever dimension means for you, it doesn't mean the same thing in spirituality. Heh, I will not further your arguments, go talk to wall instead. Digital ego big eh? Yes that's what I thought. Lol, internet :roll:

 

 

 

And to assasin, haft haft :P Don't kill the messenger.

 

 

 

Look, I respect what you were saying, I was merely pointing out that the way you worded it made it sound less believable. I couldn't tell what you meant by dimension, honestly. But I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt as far as knowing what you were talking about, I didn't say you were stupid and deluded. You could have easliy said that you were simply using the term to represent your theory, but you didn't so I didn't know. And I respect your opinion. I'm trying to be civil about this, you didn't need to flame me for questioning what you said. I'm not belittling you in any way, so please don't take offense. I just tend to start debates, bad habit of mine.

 

 

 

Now that that's out of the way, it's an intersting and unique view on things, to be sure.

[Diesel]

Calm down you two. Golly jeepers! lol :lol:

[warri0r45]

Scary video.

 

 

 

I don't know whether it's real or a tape of fakes. If I do have such encounters myself, it would be at the highest degree of what's convincing.

 

 

 

I do wonder, though, why I don't have such encounters myself, why the many monetary offers aren't taken up and why there are no credible sources attesting to the reality of said phenomena.

 

 

 

Oh well. If they so choose to scare the living poop out of me in real life, I'll likely be less skeptical.

[WutangFlu]

as for the ghost hunters show... ha, they try to be so professional and stuff, but you cant take them seriously.

 

 

 

Pretty good for a couple of Roto Rooter guys!!!

 

 

 

could be very well rigged just to publicize these haunted places for tourism.

 

With the exception of a few houses of random civilians thrown in for a security measure.

[andufusthebronze]

 

and if your window isnt open? and if no one is parking in the driveway?

 

 

 

what if you dont even have a window in the room your in? can headlights shine through walls?

 

 

 

Place a videocam in your room and prove it happened, and post it here. There are multiple international prizes worth a few million dollars to a person who can prove supernatural events. After decades nobody has ever claimed these prizes (because 'supernatural' doesn't exist)

 

 

 

Energy doesn't come out of nowhere, you were asleep, or you could just be seeing things. Thousands of people are hospitalized every year for being delusional, to the degree that it hurts their lives (seeing "angels" and "divine lights")

 

 

 

There is plenty of available technology to prove flows of energy/heat/coldness are moving inside a given space. There have been numerous people claiming under supervised conditions "there it is, I'm seeing the ghost now" yet absolutely nothing is visible and no physical change has occurred in the room.

 

 

 

Please, let's not go into the "duh, it's supernatural so the censors don't show it". We might just as well start arguing if Mercifull's teapot orbiting around the sun exists or not.

 

 

 

I respect everything you said but, as I believe in ghosts I do have one arguement.

 

Science can't explain everything.

 

Until a year ago, they couldn't explain how its possible for a bumble bee to fly.

[warri0r45]

 

and if your window isnt open? and if no one is parking in the driveway?

 

 

 

what if you dont even have a window in the room your in? can headlights shine through walls?

 

 

 

Place a videocam in your room and prove it happened, and post it here. There are multiple international prizes worth a few million dollars to a person who can prove supernatural events. After decades nobody has ever claimed these prizes (because 'supernatural' doesn't exist)

 

 

 

Energy doesn't come out of nowhere, you were asleep, or you could just be seeing things. Thousands of people are hospitalized every year for being delusional, to the degree that it hurts their lives (seeing "angels" and "divine lights")

 

 

 

There is plenty of available technology to prove flows of energy/heat/coldness are moving inside a given space. There have been numerous people claiming under supervised conditions "there it is, I'm seeing the ghost now" yet absolutely nothing is visible and no physical change has occurred in the room.

 

 

 

Please, let's not go into the "duh, it's supernatural so the censors don't show it". We might just as well start arguing if Mercifull's teapot orbiting around the sun exists or not.

 

 

 

I respect everything you said but, as I believe in ghosts I do have one arguement.

 

Science can't explain everything.

 

Until a year ago, they couldn't explain how its possible for a bumble bee to fly.

 

 

 

It's important to know it's purpose isn't to explain everything, only natural phenomena. Therefore, if we can see ghosts, demons, etc, they could possibly be persued by scientific investigation. It' just a case of thinking about how we could do this. It may seem almost impossible to us now but the idea that matter was anything more than just atoms at one point was unheard of. We now know of many, many sub-atomic particles thanks to partice accelerators. We just need to think up the tools that could get us the results.

 

 

 

If ghosts, demons, etc exist, it's not exactly necessary that they be supernatural. Quite the contary, if they interact with the natural world and we can see them and detect them via other measures, they are natural at least in part.

[Kill_Thomas9]

Until I personaly experience a spirit or demon, I wont believe in them. Ghosts on the other hand I know exist.

[The Real ET]

My view on this, upon reading many many things.

 

 

 

3d world -> Physical world we live in

 

4d world -> Astral world, home of "demons", and ghosts. We are at the edge of the astral world when we sleep, and some can even enter it: "astral projection"

 

5d world -> Where most of us go when we die

 

6d + worlds -> Where the spiritually advanced among us go when they die, older souls

 

1d and 2d worlds -> Some sort of hell where the people who ignored morality all their life go when they die, and stay a short while until they are capable of reincarnating in the 3d world again

 

 

 

In short, when you die you go to the world corresponding with your vibration, and after that you decide in which world you would like to live another reincarnation, but you cannot go to worlds spiritually beyond your own, you must first takle the lower vibration ones. By example, some people are kind, loving, compassionate people, chances are those people come from the 6d and over worlds, coming back to 3d to live another life and gain wisedom. And some people are evil, selfish, egocentric, viscious, chances are they are people coming from the 1d or 2d worlds. The average joe of spirituality goes to the 5d world.

 

 

 

Earth was originally a rehabilitation center. The majority of the people are lower souls, here to learn, and a mignority of people are higher souls, there with the hard task of teaching to the lower souls. However, this is supposed to chance upon 2012, where the soul society(no pun intended) has decided for earth to longer be a rehabilitation center, and a catastrophe will happen, and all souls with a lower vibration will die and go to their respective vibration, people at vibration 6d and over will survive, stay and create a second heaven.

 

 

 

How can people know this? Near-death experiences, among other things.

 

If you don't believe in things like this, see it as myths, or just wait till 2012 to make yourself an opinion :wink:

 

 

 

Why 2012?

 

 

 

December (21st I think?) 2012 is just the end of a cycle on the Mayan calendar. It happens to be the final cycle and is supposed to be the end of the world. Many predictions from other people and civilizations have come and gone with time. This is just the closest and when it passes they'll find some new doomsday date from legend and myth. That's where the 2012 came from, but I have no idea how it fits in with this theory or who even came up with this.

[Riku3220]

My view on this, upon reading many many things.

 

 

 

3d world -> Physical world we live in

 

4d world -> Astral world, home of "demons", and ghosts. We are at the edge of the astral world when we sleep, and some can even enter it: "astral projection"

 

5d world -> Where most of us go when we die

 

6d + worlds -> Where the spiritually advanced among us go when they die, older souls

 

1d and 2d worlds -> Some sort of hell where the people who ignored morality all their life go when they die, and stay a short while until they are capable of reincarnating in the 3d world again

 

 

 

In short, when you die you go to the world corresponding with your vibration, and after that you decide in which world you would like to live another reincarnation, but you cannot go to worlds spiritually beyond your own, you must first takle the lower vibration ones. By example, some people are kind, loving, compassionate people, chances are those people come from the 6d and over worlds, coming back to 3d to live another life and gain wisedom. And some people are evil, selfish, egocentric, viscious, chances are they are people coming from the 1d or 2d worlds. The average joe of spirituality goes to the 5d world.

 

 

 

Earth was originally a rehabilitation center. The majority of the people are lower souls, here to learn, and a mignority of people are higher souls, there with the hard task of teaching to the lower souls. However, this is supposed to chance upon 2012, where the soul society(no pun intended) has decided for earth to longer be a rehabilitation center, and a catastrophe will happen, and all souls with a lower vibration will die and go to their respective vibration, people at vibration 6d and over will survive, stay and create a second heaven.

 

 

 

How can people know this? Near-death experiences, among other things.

 

If you don't believe in things like this, see it as myths, or just wait till 2012 to make yourself an opinion :wink:

 

 

 

Why 2012?

 

 

 

December (21st I think?) 2012 is just the end of a cycle on the Mayan calendar. It happens to be the final cycle and is supposed to be the end of the world. Many predictions from other people and civilizations have come and gone with time. This is just the closest and when it passes they'll find some new doomsday date from legend and myth. That's where the 2012 came from, but I have no idea how it fits in with this theory or who even came up with this.

 

 

 

it better not be the end of the world! i graduate in 2012!!! :x

[warri0r45]

Until I personaly experience a spirit or demon, I wont believe in them. Ghosts on the other hand I know exist.

 

 

 

May I ask how you know that?

[Guthix_Girl]

My view on this, upon reading many many things.

 

 

 

3d world -> Physical world we live in

 

4d world -> Astral world, home of "demons", and ghosts. We are at the edge of the astral world when we sleep, and some can even enter it: "astral projection"

 

5d world -> Where most of us go when we die

 

6d + worlds -> Where the spiritually advanced among us go when they die, older souls

 

1d and 2d worlds -> Some sort of hell where the people who ignored morality all their life go when they die, and stay a short while until they are capable of reincarnating in the 3d world again

 

 

 

In short, when you die you go to the world corresponding with your vibration, and after that you decide in which world you would like to live another reincarnation, but you cannot go to worlds spiritually beyond your own, you must first takle the lower vibration ones. By example, some people are kind, loving, compassionate people, chances are those people come from the 6d and over worlds, coming back to 3d to live another life and gain wisedom. And some people are evil, selfish, egocentric, viscious, chances are they are people coming from the 1d or 2d worlds. The average joe of spirituality goes to the 5d world.

 

 

 

Earth was originally a rehabilitation center. The majority of the people are lower souls, here to learn, and a mignority of people are higher souls, there with the hard task of teaching to the lower souls. However, this is supposed to chance upon 2012, where the soul society(no pun intended) has decided for earth to longer be a rehabilitation center, and a catastrophe will happen, and all souls with a lower vibration will die and go to their respective vibration, people at vibration 6d and over will survive, stay and create a second heaven.

 

 

 

How can people know this? Near-death experiences, among other things.

 

If you don't believe in things like this, see it as myths, or just wait till 2012 to make yourself an opinion :wink:

 

 

 

Why 2012?

 

 

 

December (21st I think?) 2012 is just the end of a cycle on the Mayan calendar. It happens to be the final cycle and is supposed to be the end of the world. Many predictions from other people and civilizations have come and gone with time. This is just the closest and when it passes they'll find some new doomsday date from legend and myth. That's where the 2012 came from, but I have no idea how it fits in with this theory or who even came up with this.

 

 

 

Yes this is just like the theories that the world would end the very second it turned 2000. and of course we cant forget 6/6/06. and yet its over a year later and we are still here! Amazing isn't it. Well. When we are alive still in 2012 I will be laughing.

[GrimHams]

Your arguing over semantics :P

 

Take it, or ignore it, what can I say? Don't start argues, that's just stupid and annoying.

 

 

 

Quite frankly, I didn't take it as semantics. When you used "d", it just sounded uneducated. Hence my middle schooler comment. You're dealing with more than words, you're dealing with entire abstract concepts, so really, I don't think that semantics would even apply. And I'm not trying to start an argument. Just pointing out what would appear to be a misconception, and that that is how I took it.

 

Wow, very full of yourself aren't you?

 

 

 

For your information, I'm turning 18. Not that you deserved to know, but I'm giving you that pearl right now.

 

 

 

You were comparing apples and oranges. Whatever dimension means for you, it doesn't mean the same thing in spirituality. Heh, I will not further your arguments, go talk to wall instead. Digital ego big eh? Yes that's what I thought. Lol, internet :roll:

 

 

 

And to assasin, haft haft :P Don't kill the messenger.

 

 

 

No, the reason people thought you were joking is because you have literally no reason or logic to back up your claims. How can you believe something you know you could have made up on the spot. Thats a pretty naive belief at 18. :lol:

 

 

 

I believe we have spirits from the A world, the B world and the C world, A holds poltergeist, B holds dead relatives and C holds the rest. Hahah i've just proved, or given myself enough proof to believe that this could easily be true. :roll:

[Mithril_Max]

wow some very strange theories here :? now I present you with my own!

 

 

 

It is my belief that a spirit is someones being compressed into pure energy, pure energy can pass through solid objects and even through time and space... now when someone's being becomes strong enough it can manifest itself into more complex forms! maybe a lady in white hanging from a tree (I saw this one o.o) or just to their previous appearance, wich is still pure energy but should be more complex and thus when they are in their complex form they have more limits to them than a being comprised of just energy... also the reason to why some spirits replay their death or a favorite activity is the energy reacting with a strong emotional feeling from the being, so in theory if a being remembers how they died they may become very emotional causing the energy to become a complex form and repeat the event. this is not all though! there is a third form wich is so complex and so restrained that it may not be able to do any actions that involve passing through other matter, this form is more solid in appearance and has some physical strength to it (can scratch, push, pick up objects, and interact with humans) they can also change into more creatures than in a normal complex form... such as a wolf or demon for example, this third form also reacts violently with emotional energy wich causes them to attack others or just scream in the night because they are lost, confused, and or angry. Poltergeists and the like however are normal complex spirits wich have little physical strength (most of the time it is derived from major emotional stress on the being) but they are hidden from human eyes because they may not be fully manifested yet.

 

 

 

There thats my view on it :wink:

[The Real ET]

wow some very strange theories here :? now I present you with my own!

 

 

 

It is my belief that a spirit is someones being compressed into pure energy, pure energy can pass through solid objects and even through time and space... now when someone's being becomes strong enough it can manifest itself into more complex forms! maybe a lady in white hanging from a tree (I saw this one o.o) or just to their prevEnter away message text here.ious appearance, wich is still pure energy but should be more complex and thus when they are in their complex form they have more limits to them than a being comprised of just energy... also the reason to why some spirits replay their death or a favorite activity is the energy reacting with a strong emotional feeling from the being, so in theory if a being remembers how they died they may become very emotional causing the energy to become a complex form and repeat the event. this is not all though! there is a third form wich is so complex and so restrained that it may not be able to do any actions that involve passing through other matter, this form is more solid in appearance and has some physical strength to it (can scratch, push, pick up objects, and interact with humans) they can also change into more creatures than in a normal complex form... such as a wolf or demon for example, this third form also reacts violently with emotional energy wich causes them to attack others or just scream in the night because they are lost, confused, and or angry. Poltergeists and the like however are normal complex spirits wich have little physical strength (most of the time it is derived from major emotional stress on the being) but they are hidden from human eyes because they may not be fully manifested yet.

 

 

 

There thats my view on it :wink:

 

 

 

=D> Congrats! That was the most in depth post I've ever seen you write (no, I'm not trying to patronize you). It's good too, but i still disagree. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so a spirit cannot create pure enegry if it was not pure energy to start with. I don't know how you feel about that, but I don't believe in a spirit and that rules out all ghosts and such for me. With demons and the like, I just believe that such things were though of to create a feeling of could-be-punishment if certain ethics were not maintained. That leads into the history religion and all that good stuff though. :thumbsup:

[Mithril_Max]

wow some very strange theories here :? now I present you with my own!

 

 

 

It is my belief that a spirit is someones being compressed into pure energy, pure energy can pass through solid objects and even through time and space... now when someone's being becomes strong enough it can manifest itself into more complex forms! maybe a lady in white hanging from a tree (I saw this one o.o) or just to their prevEnter away message text here.ious appearance, wich is still pure energy but should be more complex and thus when they are in their complex form they have more limits to them than a being comprised of just energy... also the reason to why some spirits replay their death or a favorite activity is the energy reacting with a strong emotional feeling from the being, so in theory if a being remembers how they died they may become very emotional causing the energy to become a complex form and repeat the event. this is not all though! there is a third form wich is so complex and so restrained that it may not be able to do any actions that involve passing through other matter, this form is more solid in appearance and has some physical strength to it (can scratch, push, pick up objects, and interact with humans) they can also change into more creatures than in a normal complex form... such as a wolf or demon for example, this third form also reacts violently with emotional energy wich causes them to attack others or just scream in the night because they are lost, confused, and or angry. Poltergeists and the like however are normal complex spirits wich have little physical strength (most of the time it is derived from major emotional stress on the being) but they are hidden from human eyes because they may not be fully manifested yet.

 

 

 

There thats my view on it :wink:

 

 

 

=D> Congrats! That was the most in depth post I've ever seen you write (no, I'm not trying to patronize you). It's good too, but i still disagree. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so a spirit cannot create pure enegry if it was not pure energy to start with. I don't know how you feel about that, but I don't believe in a spirit and that rules out all ghosts and such for me. With demons and the like, I just believe that such things were though of to create a feeling of could-be-punishment if certain ethics were not maintained. That leads into the history religion and all that good stuff though. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

haha yeah many of my posts arent this well thought out :P but as for the energy thing there are two ways to explain this. A.) the energy is reused from other spiritual beings or objects, B.) Stephen Hawking recently unveiled his theory that energy and matter was being wiped of the face of the universe by black holes and that only alternate dimensions without black holes would survive in the long run... assuming he is right and scientists were wrong about energy being in existance forever they may also be wrong about energy and matter being created! since this is a very delicate subject and pretty much on a belief basis your opinion is as good as anyone else who believes its real. hurrah for opinions! \

[The Real ET]

haha yeah many of my posts arent this well thought out :P but as for the energy thing there are two ways to explain this. A.) the energy is reused from other spiritual beings or objects, B.) Stephen Hawking recently unveiled his theory that energy and matter was being wiped of the face of the universe by black holes and that only alternate dimensions without black holes would survive in the long run... assuming he is right and scientists were wrong about energy being in existance forever they may also be wrong about energy and matter being created! since this is a very delicate subject and pretty much on a belief basis your opinion is as good as anyone else who believes its real. hurrah for opinions! \

 

 

 

That Stephen Hawkins thing is all theory though. No one knows how black holes work. For all we know, they work like some sci-fi books, movies, etc. portray them as and could just act as a portal to another part of the universe. If that's that case, then the energy is just moving around to a different spot in the universe. If there are alternate dimensions taking our energy, they probably suffer from black holes too, and it's just a giant energy cycle with black holes as the energy transferers.

[Mithril_Max]

haha yeah many of my posts arent this well thought out :P but as for the energy thing there are two ways to explain this. A.) the energy is reused from other spiritual beings or objects, B.) Stephen Hawking recently unveiled his theory that energy and matter was being wiped of the face of the universe by black holes and that only alternate dimensions without black holes would survive in the long run... assuming he is right and scientists were wrong about energy being in existance forever they may also be wrong about energy and matter being created! since this is a very delicate subject and pretty much on a belief basis your opinion is as good as anyone else who believes its real. hurrah for opinions! \

 

 

 

That Stephen Hawkins thing is all theory though. No one knows how black holes work. For all we know, they work like some sci-fi books, movies, etc. portray them as and could just act as a portal to another part of the universe. If that's that case, then the energy is just moving around to a different spot in the universe. If there are alternate dimensions taking our energy, they probably suffer from black holes too, and it's just a giant energy cycle with black holes as the energy transferers.

 

 

 

thats precisely why that theory is B.) and not A.) lol