December 13, 200718 yr Solution: Real-world traders use New Accounts (Lvl3) as F2P, so that if it gets banned, thet'll just make a new one!!! :wall: Like the rule: "Players only with a defence level of 40 can wear Runite Armor." New rules has to be made: 1."Players must be able to all F2P Quest to be able to trade in THOUSANDS" -Lvl3 real-world traders need to do all quest to be able to trade in thousands worth of items. This buys too much time to make new accounts. 2."Players with Attack/ Defence / Strength or any Skill lvl of 40 can be able to trade in MILLIONS" -leveling up takes time, getting banned only makes them do it again and again. Thus, selling millions of coins in the real world is hasten down. 3."Players with a skill of Lvl 40 who did not pass all F2P Quest still cannot trade in both THOUSANDS and MILLIONS" -This stops YEW AUTOERS and all bots from selling their items in the real world. Reasons: -making all quests takes too much time and getting banned only makes them to it again and again -leveling up is not easy for bots for they cant survive that long -leveling up takes time (especially for every new account to be made) =D>
December 13, 200718 yr You suggest att/def/str lvs of 40 to trade in millions. You say that like it takes forever. It doesn't.
December 13, 200718 yr Author You suggest att/def/str lvs of 40 to trade in millions. You say that like it takes forever. It doesn't. Lets face it...How can a lvl 3 player get MILIONS of cash? no way possible...unless he is a real-world trader doing the bussines... However you have a point... Mining can be used to earn more cash...so as smithing Therefore, I will change it to a certain skill... Thanks for the great comment, you enlighten me =D>
December 14, 200718 yr Author This is the easiest way as the quest and skills are already available in Runescape, thus, there will be no need to do more changes....just to kick real-world traders for good. Put youself in the Real-world traders's position....do you think you will waste so much time ....making new accounts...doing the quests and leveling up...and only end up getting banned... ...and what are your chances to sell you millions of gold coins... if you get banned so often... :shame: ...of course, you will make ways not to get banned (coz leveling up and doing the quest all over and over is really tiring)...or...you'll be fed up to do more new accounts... :evil:
December 14, 200718 yr STOP WRITING IN HUGE TEXT AND FUNKY COLORS.NOONE LIKES IT. You said any skill above 40? psh i could do that in a day. less than. in fact, bots usually get 60 wcing and start being able to make money in about 6-10 hours. And saying your solution is best? its CRAP.
December 14, 200718 yr 2."Players with Attack/ Defence / Strength or any Skill lvl of 40 can be able to trade in MILLIONS" -leveling up takes time, getting banned only makes them do it again and again. Thus, selling millions of coins in the real world is hasten down. What about yew autoers?? they sell there yews nd then sell the gp, they have 60wc!! so that doesnt really work, but i like the quest one, i like it indeed....
December 14, 200718 yr Author STOP WRITING IN HUGE TEXT AND FUNKY COLORS.NOONE LIKES IT. You said any skill above 40? psh i could do that in a day. less than. in fact, bots usually get 60 wcing and start being able to make money in about 6-10 hours. And saying your solution is best? its CRAP. Please be more respectful, no one likes to read the word CRAP. If you are insulted in a way, please forgive me...i was only emphasizing the words so you can read them better....No one like to read so many small letters...dont you think???? Yes you can easily level up...however, can you do all the quests in minutes or hours...over and over again..if you get banned? The quests are prerequisites to leveling up...even though you can level up in hours...you will find it very hard to do all the F2P more....thus, you cannot still trade in thousands and millions in that case...till you have done all.
December 14, 200718 yr Author What about yew autoers?? they sell there yews nd then sell the gp, they have 60wc!! so that doesnt really work, but i like the quest one, i like it indeed.... Thanks for being respectful and open...yes you are absolutely right. With your comment I was able to add a few adjustments to the suggestion box. I added that Quests had to be done before hand to be eligilbe to trade...even though you can level up to lvl40 for a few hours...you cannot make a trade in Millions still till all Quests are made. Thank you once again for your intelligent comment and ideas. :D
December 16, 200718 yr STOP WRITING IN HUGE TEXT AND FUNKY COLORS.NOONE LIKES IT. You said any skill above 40? psh i could do that in a day. less than. in fact, bots usually get 60 wcing and start being able to make money in about 6-10 hours. And saying your solution is best? its CRAP. I agree, this suggestion is a nice pile of excrements (sp?). it fails to recognize all aspects of the topic, this would mean skillers will never be able to trade 1000's, as the requirements for dragon slayer are 32 qp.this would require the skiller to do quests that give combat exp in atk,mage,def, and prayer, which would mean they are no longer a skiller. yew bots normally wont be making or selling logs and cash until they reach 60 wc anyways. even though you changed the skill part of your idea, you can't keep correcting everything deemed wrong or unfair,if you must, there must be something wrong with the idea to start with :-k Side-note: This a very thought out flame against the author and his idea, please rate 1-10 :anxious:
December 16, 200718 yr Green drag autos have combat skills. Yew autoers woodcutting, ess bots do the quest, they can get the levels and quests done easily. WORST SUGGESTION EVER! My goals: [b]5M coins:[/b] 4350K+ coins 200k+ items - 2 dec 5M coins - 16 dec I [b]have gotten[/b] my 5M by christmas. -bah this is only here for historical purposes now, I got 20m+ already "fail,well atleast the title,i wont read it with that colours""If you hadn't posted in rainbow I would actually give this a proper read""Colours suck."*I remove colours*"Where did all the colors go!? This is now 40% more likely to be tl;dr'd due to the lack of colors."
December 16, 200718 yr I agree, this suggestion is a nice pile of excrements (sp?). it fails to recognize all aspects of the topic, this would mean skillers will never be able to trade 1000's, as the requirements for dragon slayer are 32 qp.this would require the skiller to do quests that give combat exp in atk,mage,def, and prayer, which would mean they are no longer a skiller. yew bots normally wont be making or selling logs and cash until they reach 60 wc anyways. even though you changed the skill part of your idea, you can't keep correcting everything deemed wrong or unfair,if you must, there must be something wrong with the idea to start with :-k Side-note: This a very thought out flame against the author and his idea, please rate 1-10 :anxious: 8 :uhh: Basically, you've taken too much time pressing caps lock and too little time thinking about skillers. Not to mention that the F2P quests are quite easy. And since there's no variety between each player's quest, there will be quest macros out before you know it. And what do you mean by "leveling up is not easy for bots for they cant survive that long"? You DO know that yews take 60 woodcutting? And macroers use macros to get that? It takes a day or two. So um...Yes, terrible suggestion, would not solve anything, and would make the game even worse. I suppose Jagex will do it then. Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu.
December 16, 200718 yr Above poster makes good sense, although he misused quotes ^^ (I was quoting someone else, didnt call it crap, but a pile of excrement) :
December 16, 200718 yr Above poster makes good sense, although he misused quotes ^^ (I was quoting someone else, didnt call it crap, but a pile excrement) : Whoops, I was trying to trim the quote, guess I took out the wrong part. Fixed now. Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu.
December 17, 200718 yr You suggest att/def/str lvs of 40 to trade in millions. You say that like it takes forever. It doesn't. Lets face it...How can a lvl 3 player get MILIONS of cash? no way possible...unless he is a real-world trader doing the bussines... Skill pures. Which would be dead after this anyway. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~
December 18, 200718 yr It is sad that almost every suggestion I ever see about dealing with autoers is destroyed by some variation of: "But that would make it hard on skillers/pures. Not that I believe people shouldn't be able to do these things but the people who do these things shouldn't prevent the greater good from happening. If it doesn't completely destroy or fundamentally alter the experience of skilling or being a pure then I think it should be an open option. If you want to be a skiller then maybe you have to skill in more than one thing(I know a lot do this already). Maybe you have to do a bunch of quests so you can do it.(Jagex would have to implement the suggestion I've seen elsewhere of choosing whether or not or even which rewards you want from the quest). It makes it harder on you maybe but you can still do what you want. I personally have made characters that I used to play both of the styles I have mentioned and yes I do I enjoy them but I don't think just because a minor percentage of the player base wants it a certain way then everyone must sacrifice/suffer for them. The game developers did have a certain way they forsaw or intended the game to be played and planned and designed for that way. BTW, I haven't played this game in about 6 months. I am thinking about starting to play again though even with all this madness going on. If not for not organizing my bank making it very hard on me if I chose not to pay for membership since I had it before then I would already be playing again.(WOW that was a lot of using not) Hopefully I am not :wall: too far off base with all of this.
December 18, 200718 yr Author To all those who are not respectful and being so naive instead of being helpful, saying: And saying your solution is best? its CRAP. Green drag autos have combat skills. Yew autoers woodcutting, ess bots do the quest, they can get the levels and quests done easily. WORST SUGGESTION EVER! Yes, terrible suggestion, would not solve anything, and would make the game even worse. I suppose Jagex will do it then. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO EARN RESPECT, SHOW THAT YOU CAN RESPECT OTHERS TOO. Basically, RuneScape has given a thought to my ideas...and you all just have to wait and see. RuneScape-17 December 2007 - Future Changes to Recent Updates 2. As many people have suggested, we're planning to raise the 3,000gp staking/trading limit for certain players. This will be proportional to the number of Quest Points you have, with the top-end being ten-times what it is now! This should still offer protection from cheats, while also giving you more flexibility in your staking and trading activities. To all those who commented for the benefit in improving my ideas to really stop autoers & real-world traders... ...and to all those who passed this suggestion to the member's forum... THANK YOU SO MUCH. Our voice is now heard. :thumbsup: =D> :thumbsup: =D>
December 18, 200718 yr Yes, terrible suggestion, would not solve anything, and would make the game even worse. I suppose Jagex will do it then. There's something called sarcasm. (First part wasn't, second was) Second of all, please stop using pointless big text. You can get your posts reported and then deleted because of that. Just saying. Third of all, there is a difference between quest points and being able to do all F2P quests. Basically, with your suggestion, everyone that can't kill Elvarg (About level 30-40 combat and lower) would not be able to trade in thousands. That, I find, is ridiculous. Many people like to give there beginner (Level 3) friends money to help them get started. 999 gp is barely enough to buy full iron, I'm pretty sure. Also, there will probably be quest macros released soon enough. A macro that lets you do all the quests in one night. Of course, you need the requirements, but how hard are those to get? Quite easy for a macro. Your suggestions would only harm skillers/pures, but after reading zalitz_miner's post, and idea, my opinion has slightly changed. Perhaps when you finish a quest, you'll get a checklist of all the rewards you could get. Thus, skillers can reject the combat-skill rewards, yet still be able to do those quests. Although there is still the matter of requirements (Being able to kill Elvarg, mainly) and the fact that killing monsters for quests may make you level up, but I suppose with enough rings of recoils, it's possible for a skiller. F2P skillers would suffer, but eh, collateral damage? =/ (By the way, before you call us not respectful and naive, you might want to think about the hypocrisy of that.) Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu.
December 19, 200718 yr Author Yes, terrible suggestion, would not solve anything, and would make the game even worse. I suppose Jagex will do it then. There's something called sarcasm. (First part wasn't, second was) Second of all, please stop using pointless big text. You can get your posts reported and then deleted because of that. Just saying. Third of all, there is a difference between quest points and being able to do all F2P quests. Basically, with your suggestion, everyone that can't kill Elvarg (About level 30-40 combat and lower) would not be able to trade in thousands. That, I find, is ridiculous. Many people like to give there beginner (Level 3) friends money to help them get started. 999 gp is barely enough to buy full iron, I'm pretty sure. Also, there will probably be quest macros released soon enough. A macro that lets you do all the quests in one night. Of course, you need the requirements, but how hard are those to get? Quite easy for a macro. Your suggestions would only harm skillers/pures, but after reading zalitz_miner's post, and idea, my opinion has slightly changed. Perhaps when you finish a quest, you'll get a checklist of all the rewards you could get. Thus, skillers can reject the combat-skill rewards, yet still be able to do those quests. Although there is still the matter of requirements (Being able to kill Elvarg, mainly) and the fact that killing monsters for quests may make you level up, but I suppose with enough rings of recoils, it's possible for a skiller. F2P skillers would suffer, but eh, collateral damage? =/ (By the way, before you call us not respectful and naive, you might want to think about the hypocrisy of that.) Nobody used to think about Quest Points a way to stop real-world traders and bots till I posted them. I thought about it by making myself be like a real world trader by making new accounts...and I found out that Making Quests are boring if done over and over...as well as, leveling up on a skill... ..thus I concluded my ideas... only to end up being harrased and unrespected by many naive people who just commented for the sake of fun... Well, it seems that IT WASNT TERRIBLE AFTER ALL! :shame: I say back to what you said... Second of all, please stop using pointless big text. You can get your posts reported and then deleted because of that. Just saying. ...you need not be reported by posting unhelpful comments...you should have been banned for saying pointless stuff...you must be respectful to be respected, werent you? Hypocrisy was already done by you. =;
December 19, 200718 yr make it so you need a total lvl of around 600. then it'l be fair on the skillers.
December 19, 200718 yr As a macroer and a RWTer I say that this wont do anything better, macroers use lvl 100+ accs sometimes, we have auto-questers for a few skills and if u are going to trade 100M, the quest points and levels are no problem. But banning China and censoring vir4u and yewlog.net would be a nice solution... :D My goals: [b]5M coins:[/b] 4350K+ coins 200k+ items - 2 dec 5M coins - 16 dec I [b]have gotten[/b] my 5M by christmas. -bah this is only here for historical purposes now, I got 20m+ already "fail,well atleast the title,i wont read it with that colours""If you hadn't posted in rainbow I would actually give this a proper read""Colours suck."*I remove colours*"Where did all the colors go!? This is now 40% more likely to be tl;dr'd due to the lack of colors."
December 19, 200718 yr Nobody used to think about Quest Points a way to stop real-world traders and bots till I posted them. So? No one thought of a new bank system before Thagern posted his idea. So what? I thought about it by making myself be like a real world trader by making new accounts...and I found out that Making Quests are boring if done over and over...as well as, leveling up on a skill... Not only have I said this over and over, but look at HoMM88's post (Shame on you for macroing and RWTing, hope it was only something you did long ago, as a noob) Anyway, auto-questers. only to end up being harrased and unrespected by many naive people who just commented for the sake of fun... Er...What? The people that posted just "This idea sucks" may be considered possible spammers, but nearly all of us gave a reason as for why this idea sucks, and ways it wouldn't work. How is that being harassed and not being respected? The only way you'll think we're respecting you is if we all support your suggestion. Which would be lying. Well, it seems that IT WASNT TERRIBLE AFTER ALL! :shame: You know, if Jagex does something, it doesn't mean it's not terrible. Just take a look at last week's updates. I say back to what you said... Second of all, please stop using pointless big text. You can get your posts reported and then deleted because of that. Just saying. ...you need not be reported by posting unhelpful comments...you should have been banned for saying pointless stuff...you must be respectful to be respected, werent you? Hypocrisy was already done by you. =; How was my comment unhelpful/pointless? It was advice/criticism to you. I thought as the poster of a suggestion, let alone being a person, advice would be welcome. Apparently not. And please explain how I was hypocritical, and perhaps read the larger paragraphs of my last post. I would like to see your response. As for HoM, I nearly completely agree. With the whole macros-with-high-combat thing, as well as auto-questers, those are points I've tried to make to the topic starter. Perhaps you could help me get the point across, if he still doesn't understand. Banning China wouldn't work, as there are many non-Chinese macros (Although most were) and many legit Chinese players. But as for censoring vir4u, yewlong.net, etc., why not... Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu.
December 23, 200718 yr One problem... it will be hard to spot RWT'S. When there lvl 3 they all look alike and are easy to spot by anyone but when there atleast lvl 40ish there gunna blend it. Ture it will slow them but it will be hard to spot them. more bank space for non-members
December 23, 200718 yr [hide=Idiocy]To all those who are not respectful and being so naive instead of being helpful, saying: And saying your solution is best? its CRAP. Green drag autos have combat skills. Yew autoers woodcutting, ess bots do the quest, they can get the levels and quests done easily. WORST SUGGESTION EVER! Yes, terrible suggestion, would not solve anything, and would make the game even worse. I suppose Jagex will do it then. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO EARN RESPECT, SHOW THAT YOU CAN RESPECT OTHERS TOO. Basically, RuneScape has given a thought to my ideas...and you all just have to wait and see. RuneScape-17 December 2007 - Future Changes to Recent Updates 2. As many people have suggested, we're planning to raise the 3,000gp staking/trading limit for certain players. This will be proportional to the number of Quest Points you have, with the top-end being ten-times what it is now! This should still offer protection from cheats, while also giving you more flexibility in your staking and trading activities. To all those who commented for the benefit in improving my ideas to really stop autoers & real-world traders... ...and to all those who passed this suggestion to the member's forum... THANK YOU SO MUCH. Our voice is now heard. :thumbsup: =D> :thumbsup: =D> [/hide] Here's an idea... [hide]STOP TYPING IN BIG LETTERS AND COLOR VARIATIONS, IT PISSES PEOPLE OFF AND HURTS OUR EYES.[/hide] I know you're new to these forums. Great. Ok, if you take crap as an insult, go away. Welcome to tip.it. It would be something if we said real swears, but luckily the forums bleep them out anyway. Oh, and if you want respect, STOP preaching about it. People aren't giving you respect? Oh well, that's LIFE, got nothing more to tell you... You are being disrespectful for typing in huge letters and colors, so therefore I haven't a reason to give you any respect. Again, welcome to tip.it. People are saying your suggestion sucks because...Well, it does. Bots can be programmed for much. They get 60 wc in 10 hours tops, so if they can do that, then they'd do every F2P quest in that time as well. You're also like JaGex. So far, they haven't focused on veterans, only on themselves, eliminating mass amounts of players to save a small minority of noobs who constantly complain about not getting free stuff. So far, they've dumbed the game down for noobs. They've made the game less fun. And your suggestion says that we should do quests and stuff to do other things...Like sell? The fricken market would be crazy. Some people skill, ya know...And bots would dominate the markets with the elimination of quite a few anomalies (i.e., high leveled salespeople who don't do quests, noobs who DON'T hack.) and would completely end the game. So your suggestion would dumb down the game not for noobs, but for bots. So there. Again, be a little more respectful with the big words...And colors. Welcome to tip.it. Give respect, get respect. Hoping to get a new Signature (with matching avatar) soon. :D In the meantime...Steam username: )I'll rewrite it later (add me if you want)
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