Barrows Armor - Not like Jagex had\should have planned?

[hellbellz]

When barrows came out, it was much harder. There was little Guthans to use, no summoning familiars, and people had to resort to rune/mystic armor to barrow in.

 

 

 

It seems extremely easy now because we can use Guthans, SGS, new prayers, summoning pets, many different spells, and we know exactly what to do at barrows, best methods, quickest routes, etc. I think Barrows is fine as it is, although I'd like it to be more of a challenge.

[compfreak847]

It's true that barrows defense bonuses are way too strong for such an easy to get armour, not to mention the set bonuses...but like you said 3rd age is a status symbol and dont you think its expensive enough already :P

 

 

 

But yea I guess maybe 3rd age and barrows coulda switched but then half of rs wouldnt be able to have any armour past rune D:

 

 

 

And also imo bandos is better than barrows because offensive is very helpful imo, especially in places like pc or lower level monsters that you really dont need much defense against or monsters that you would pray against, bandos wins. Str bonus is VERY coveted in rs and to prove that just count how many people you see with fighter torsos. Imo I think 3rd age should have been stronger than barrows but bandos is fine.

Just because most people prefer torso to torag's plate doesn't mean its right :

 

PC is bad for XP, most high levels are smart enough not to go there. Not many players rich enough for bandos train on monsters so low that they never hit. If your praying, initiate is far, far better period. And the +6 strength is far, far overestimated, as I've pointed out several times already.

 

 

 

 

 

I didnt say it was right, I just said its coveted...

 

as for pc..That's funny because I(lvl 114) went there today to get the void range armour and after a few minutes and talking to a few high lvls, I found a 110+ world. It was extremely packed and boats kept getting full in 5 seconds with lvl 110+'s. Some may think that pc is bad exp but if you have a high lvl team it's not bad and it helps with skills like magic. So either most high levels arent smart according to you....or pc is not that bad. Btw I think you mean proselyte, not initiate :P but yea I know proselyte is better but str IS pretty helpful. So say what you will but +6 strength is still a nice bonus. Besides like many have said, bunyips are more than enough for most slayer tasks these days. For example I was killing dust devils an hour ago and I broguth 15 cakes....they lasted me the whole task and guess what? I was using my bandos :D And what does being rich have to do with training on high-hitting monsters? I dont see the connection...

 

Yup, proselyte is what I meant.. But you can use the +5% prayer, and hit far higher then with bandos, while using far less prayer potions. As for PC, about the only reason is for void. The XP is less then at almost every other training spot, and is much more boring, and there are still better ways to train skills like magic, range, and prayer. For lower level slayer tasks, bunyip will heal you plenty, but I've already shown that even without eating bandos is not worth the cost.

[Defender2516]

No. I think Jagex wanted most of the RS population to use barrows for the sole purpose that they degrade. Whats the point of having the wealthiest people who can gain millions in sometimes a few minutes only being charged 300k per hour to use barrows? What's the point of the wealthiest wearing armor that doesn't degrade at all?

 

 

 

You missed my point. Jagex does NOT want barrows to become a wealthy symbol or status, thats you who wants that. Also, just because it has better stats doesn't mean it should be either. Barrows has alot of negative effects, not only positive. Barrows was meant literally for everyone. Level 70 is not hard to achieve, its not even 1 million exp of the hard goal of 99 which is 13 million exp. Like I said before, you want it be a status of wealth or symbol, but this is not Jagex intention and so its not, plain and simple.

 

 

 

But, what if most of the RS Population uses them? Then most of the money from Alchers goes away while people wear the superior armor. Its naturally for people to wear the "best" armor, even if the intial cost is cheap. Ok, what if barrows still degraded, and did not have the best stats, but was 200X cheaper then 3rd age, and 40X cheaper then bandos?

 

 

 

People would still buy it simpley because its all they could afford. You can't expect 95% of the Runescape population to pay MILLIONS for armor like that. Its way to expensive atm.

 

 

 

Plus, your forgetting that the Grand Exchange was not out. So Players set the prices for those items. 3rd age is 200 times more because players saw it fit to be that way. That's only because its far rarer and harder to get. So it should have better stats.

 

 

 

If thats true, then party hats should be better than full dragon helments based on price alone. But, its just a worthless hat. Besides, even if it does not hold better stats, it does hold what your looking for, a symbol of wealth. But your wanting symbol of wealth + the best combat stats which is not possible because only players decide this. Barrows CAN be a status of the best armor and a symbol of wealth if the players decided to do so.

 

 

 

I don't see Barrows as a status symbol to only the wealthiest because for 1, their drop rate would be alot higher than they are now and they would also update the mini-game if players evolved to comfortable with it making it easier. Exactly, they should either make it rare or switch the stats with 3rd age so that the rare, expensive armor actually has good stats. I would gladly save up 50m+ to get good, rare armor that set me apart from the crowds, if it actually had better stats then the cheap, common armor. My armor is for use, not decoration.

 

 

 

Not everyone believes that. Also, if you think about it. Your wrong in that sense. Alot of people wear weaker armor while in combat just to look cool. Bandos chest is also partially expensive because its one of the coolest chests you can wear ingame. Some armor combinations make you very strong but extreemly ugly. People want to be fashioned but have good stats at the same time. Jagex did this with 3rd age. But since players set the prices, its only naturally for them to have weaker stats. Plus your forgetting that if Jagex lowered Barrows stats and increased 3rd age stats, what do you get? Alot of pissed of barrowers, because almost everyone owns atleast 1 barrow type, and very small minority of happy 3rd age armor peeps. So should Jagex please the small minority and make a ton of people pissed off or vice versa? Remember though that barrows degrades infintely. So techically after awhile, you will be paying over the price for what your paying for 3rd age. 3rd age is a ONE time deal while barrows never runs out and is always asking for money, which is partially why its so dam good. You always have to pay 300k no matter what you do. 3rd age is a one time payment only and you got it forever.

 

 

 

I think Barrows was a fun mini-game to provide most players with good, but costly armor to act as a primary money sink. Your also missing the point that not every noob can just go out and get barrows either. I have played for 6 years and never owned a 8 million Guthan Set intill I went GWD with my clan and got CoinShare with Shards. Thats how I got rich, but if I never done that, I would never have seen a Guthan set without hundreds of hours poured into the mini-game itself. Which DOES cost alot through prayer potions. What does that have to do with other players? Just because you didn't do barrows doesn't mean that every noob can't. The majority of players I see at the barrows are lower levels.

 

 

 

What are you talking about? I have done hundreds of hours of barrows myself in a attempt to get rich but I probably only got around 5-6 million at most during all that time. While low level noobs may be doing it, that doesn't mean they are striking it rich and its still costly. Even if you manage to avoid all damage through prayer pots from the brothers, you still will suffer in the tunnels below. They tweaked the AI to hit you quite often.

 

 

 

I think they still hold their status symbol, just quite a few players finally got to the point of owning one and its been out so long that you think "omg everyone has one, its not rare anymore". 3rd age will still be rare, even after a couple of years. And not a status symbol. I don't remember ever hearing "nice torags".

 

 

 

Thats because Barrows has a decent drop rate to "fill" the populations demands. Why is this? Because Jagex didn't want barrows to be a rare, only to the rich, to enjoy armor. They did it for EVERYONE to have and enjoy. 3rd age is for the rich, does that not suite you? I think you should be quite happy you can buy cheap armor with better stats. Seems selfish to me that you would rather have alot of players go defenseless just so you can look all powerful and might infront of them and ruin their fun.

 

 

 

But truth is, ask them to buy a 2nd pair and they would probably freak out. I'm lucky to be able to buy all 6 sets, of course I don't for obvious reasons. Not all the barrows equipment is worth it. What pieces are not? Notice I'm talking about the armor, not the set effect. I'm also talking about the barrows melee, range, and mage armor as a whole. Together, they hold all of the titles for best armor around, except for karils which is "beat" by armadyl, with slightly better stats and a large negative melee bonus

 

 

 

Well take Karils Coil. Why ever use that when you can replace it with something much cheaper like a saradom coil? Seems kinda stupid to pay around 30-50k repairing something that I can buy for alot less cheaper and have close stats to it. Ahrims isn't completely worth it either inless your pvp'ing. Most mages tend to "safe spot", so what would be the point of melee defense if 99% of the time you won't even be getting hit? Same goes with Karils range armor as well. If your using them for offensive capabilites, thats different, but for defense, it does seem kinda dumb.

[compfreak847]

No. I think Jagex wanted most of the RS population to use barrows for the sole purpose that they degrade. Whats the point of having the wealthiest people who can gain millions in sometimes a few minutes only being charged 300k per hour to use barrows? What's the point of the wealthiest wearing armor that doesn't degrade at all?

 

 

 

You missed my point. Jagex does NOT want barrows to become a wealthy symbol or status, thats you who wants that. Also, just because it has better stats doesn't mean it should be either. Barrows has alot of negative effects, not only positive. Barrows was meant literally for everyone. Level 70 is not hard to achieve, its not even 1 million exp of the hard goal of 99 which is 13 million exp. Like I said before, you want it be a status of wealth or symbol, but this is not Jagex intention and so its not, plain and simple.

 

 

 

But, what if most of the RS Population uses them? Then most of the money from Alchers goes away while people wear the superior armor. Its naturally for people to wear the "best" armor, even if the intial cost is cheap. Ok, what if barrows still degraded, and did not have the best stats, but was 200X cheaper then 3rd age, and 40X cheaper then bandos?

 

 

 

People would still buy it simpley because its all they could afford. You can't expect 95% of the Runescape population to pay MILLIONS for armor like that. Its way to expensive atm.

 

 

 

Plus, your forgetting that the Grand Exchange was not out. So Players set the prices for those items. 3rd age is 200 times more because players saw it fit to be that way. That's only because its far rarer and harder to get. So it should have better stats.

 

 

 

If thats true, then party hats should be better than full dragon helments based on price alone. But, its just a worthless hat. Besides, even if it does not hold better stats, it does hold what your looking for, a symbol of wealth. But your wanting symbol of wealth + the best combat stats which is not possible because only players decide this. Barrows CAN be a status of the best armor and a symbol of wealth if the players decided to do so.

 

 

 

I don't see Barrows as a status symbol to only the wealthiest because for 1, their drop rate would be alot higher than they are now and they would also update the mini-game if players evolved to comfortable with it making it easier. Exactly, they should either make it rare or switch the stats with 3rd age so that the rare, expensive armor actually has good stats. I would gladly save up 50m+ to get good, rare armor that set me apart from the crowds, if it actually had better stats then the cheap, common armor. My armor is for use, not decoration.

 

 

 

Not everyone believes that. Also, if you think about it. Your wrong in that sense. Alot of people wear weaker armor while in combat just to look cool. Bandos chest is also partially expensive because its one of the coolest chests you can wear ingame. Some armor combinations make you very strong but extreemly ugly. People want to be fashioned but have good stats at the same time. Jagex did this with 3rd age. But since players set the prices, its only naturally for them to have weaker stats. Plus your forgetting that if Jagex lowered Barrows stats and increased 3rd age stats, what do you get? Alot of pissed of barrowers, because almost everyone owns atleast 1 barrow type, and very small minority of happy 3rd age armor peeps. So should Jagex please the small minority and make a ton of people pissed off or vice versa? Remember though that barrows degrades infintely. So techically after awhile, you will be paying over the price for what your paying for 3rd age. 3rd age is a ONE time deal while barrows never runs out and is always asking for money, which is partially why its so dam good. You always have to pay 300k no matter what you do. 3rd age is a one time payment only and you got it forever.

 

 

 

I think Barrows was a fun mini-game to provide most players with good, but costly armor to act as a primary money sink. Your also missing the point that not every noob can just go out and get barrows either. I have played for 6 years and never owned a 8 million Guthan Set intill I went GWD with my clan and got CoinShare with Shards. Thats how I got rich, but if I never done that, I would never have seen a Guthan set without hundreds of hours poured into the mini-game itself. Which DOES cost alot through prayer potions. What does that have to do with other players? Just because you didn't do barrows doesn't mean that every noob can't. The majority of players I see at the barrows are lower levels.

 

 

 

What are you talking about? I have done hundreds of hours of barrows myself in a attempt to get rich but I probably only got around 5-6 million at most during all that time. While low level noobs may be doing it, that doesn't mean they are striking it rich and its still costly. Even if you manage to avoid all damage through prayer pots from the brothers, you still will suffer in the tunnels below. They tweaked the AI to hit you quite often.

 

 

 

I think they still hold their status symbol, just quite a few players finally got to the point of owning one and its been out so long that you think "omg everyone has one, its not rare anymore". 3rd age will still be rare, even after a couple of years. And not a status symbol. I don't remember ever hearing "nice torags".

 

 

 

Thats because Barrows has a decent drop rate to "fill" the populations demands. Why is this? Because Jagex didn't want barrows to be a rare, only to the rich, to enjoy armor. They did it for EVERYONE to have and enjoy. 3rd age is for the rich, does that not suite you? I think you should be quite happy you can buy cheap armor with better stats. Seems selfish to me that you would rather have alot of players go defenseless just so you can look all powerful and might infront of them and ruin their fun.

 

 

 

But truth is, ask them to buy a 2nd pair and they would probably freak out. I'm lucky to be able to buy all 6 sets, of course I don't for obvious reasons. Not all the barrows equipment is worth it. What pieces are not? Notice I'm talking about the armor, not the set effect. I'm also talking about the barrows melee, range, and mage armor as a whole. Together, they hold all of the titles for best armor around, except for karils which is "beat" by armadyl, with slightly better stats and a large negative melee bonus

 

 

 

Well take Karils Coil. Why ever use that when you can replace it with something much cheaper like a saradom coil? Seems kinda stupid to pay around 30-50k repairing something that I can buy for alot less cheaper and have close stats to it. Ahrims isn't completely worth it either inless your pvp'ing. Most mages tend to "safe spot", so what would be the point of melee defense if 99% of the time you won't even be getting hit? Same goes with Karils range armor as well. If your using them for offensive capabilites, thats different, but for defense, it does seem kinda dumb.

 

A range helm is the single item where barrows falls short. Its the bandos boots of barrows. As for ahrims, I'm currently at lobsters. I'm using ahrims. Everyone I've ever seen there uses ahrims. Is that because of its defence? No. Its because its attack bonuses are far superior to any other magic robe, and the savings in runes is far greater then the 9k per hour cost of repairs. Karils? Agreed, black d hide is just as good when your safespotting, or don't need to worry about being hit, but there really isn't a superior armor there besides armadyl, which is +5 range bonus for... 40M more with negative melee stats?

[walka92]

for a long time, the economy has grown with barrows as a major part of it. if they changed it now, like changed the stats, or made barrows harder or something, it could ruin the economy.

 

 

 

players set the prices for ALL of the high level armours, dragon, barrows, 3rd age, bandos and armadyl, before the GE. the players thought the price was right for each one, so thats how it stayed. its because barrows is easy, that the armour is so cheap.

 

 

 

gwd is worth so much more, but has less stats, because most people are a) obsessed with strength bonus (bandos

 

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B) willing to spend insane amounts for a small accuracy boost (armadyl), and the bosses are alot harder. but most people dont gwd for the armour, its the hilts. so ofcourse, for something like a godsword, it had to be hard to get