warhammers and maces shouldnt be counted out all the time!

[aarow]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

 

 

 

its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

 

Nowhere close. Please test your weapons for several hours under controlled conditions before posting next time. I would, but I'd rather spend the time testing something with a less obvious outcome.

 

i have tested against the baxe under controlled conditions it was worse at pking than hammer 8-)

[aarow]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

 

 

 

its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

 

If you want to get technical, then here's an adequate percentage base:

 

for the sake of the argument, let's say that you multiply the atk lvl by the atk bonus and then divide that value by the def lvl and defense bonus of the target.

 

At lvl 100 attack the warhammer, longsword, and scimitar have 5300 crush, 4700 slash, and 4500 slash attack value respectively.

 

For a full set of rune armor, this would be the values: 20,900 slash and 19,200 crush.

 

hammer: 27.60% hit

 

sword: 22.48%

 

scimitar: 21.53%

 

 

 

But it doesn't end there. I'm pretty sure that the speed works like this:

 

For every 6 scimitar attacks, there are 4 hammer and 5 longsword attacks.

 

now:

 

hammer: 27.47% to miss all 4 times (.7240^4)

 

sword: 27.99% to miss all 5 times (.7752^5)

 

scimitar: 23.35% to miss all 6 times. (.7847^6)

 

 

 

As you can see, even though rune armor is weak against crush attacks, the scimitar beats out the longsword and the hammer by far. The difference between the strength bonuses of the hammer and scimitar is 4. That's not enough to affect your max hit unless you're on the border. And if that's the case, then the person should upgrade their armor and/or train str.

 

 

 

 

 

I hope these numbers have enlightened you ;)

 

 

 

 

 

edit: I'll even add the hit chance for baxes:

 

4800 slash and 4300 crush attack value

 

22.96% to hit with slash; 22.39% to hit with crush

 

 

 

35.22% (.7704^4) slash

 

36.28% (.7761^4) crush

 

 

 

Now, the difference in str between the baxe and the hammer is 16. That can raise your max hit by 2.5 (4 more str will bring it up to 3). Rs players have always been "fascinated" by max hit. So, they'll trade 8% accuracy for +3 damage :roll: . Good for finishing moves, bad for pve or long term attacks. Same thing with 2hs in bh. They're only good for finishing blows.

 

 

 

 

 

if you consider acc. to be equal to str then hammer and baxe were the same speedwise, actually my results were the baxe has 15 hits per minute and the hammer had 16 but im pretty sure theres no way that the baxe is that slow, so i made it 16 just to be nice, then i multiplied hits per minute by the +to hit then i added the str bonous time the hits per minute (did you even read the rant ive edited alot)

[fenrir321]

if you consider acc. to be equal to str then hammer and baxe were the same speedwise, actually my results were the baxe has 15 hits per minute and the hammer had 16 but im pretty sure theres no way that the baxe is that slow, so i made it 16 just to be nice, then i multiplied hits per minute by the +to hit then i added the str bonous time the hits per minute (did you even read the rant ive edited alot)

 

Unlike my accuracy formula, which is based off of good guesses and how statistics work, I have the ACTUAL formula for max hit.

 

The baxe will hit +2.5 more than the hammer, trust me. If you want the formula in its entirety, then pm me on the forums, and I'll give it to you.

 

The hammer and the baxe have the exact same speed. If you don't believe me, look under "weapon types" in the RSOM.

 

I'll have to admit that popularity doesn't necessarily mean that the weapon is superior (Tztok-xil-ak + berserker necklace against low defense monsters will yield more exp per hour than a dragon scimitar.) But popularity is a good indicator. And remember, the baxe is better because it has two weapon attacks. Yes, even if the hammer is better in attacking those people with platemail, what about ahrims, or dragonhide, or chainmail? All of their strong points are against crush attacks. If you ask me, I'd rather pay 45k for the battle axe, than paying 45k for a hammer and another 25k for a longsword/scimmy for the slash and crush attacks.

[Moonshadow]

I know some clannies use the rune mace to tank in... For the pray bonus.

[yanksrule]

i'll just go ahead and buy the ever lowering in value whip. it hits faster than mace, has better str bonuses and when i need to train strength there's allways the handy dandy barrelchest anchor. i really don't care what the stupid bonuses are for the dragon mace would be. my anchor would throw you through a wall. oh i'd like to also add that veracs flail gives a 6+ bonus for prayer. if it's also SUCH an issue then wear Proselyte armor. they have more prayer bonuses that your robes and give meele bonuses as well.

 

OH YEAH it's only 100k btw. kthxnwgtfo O:)

 

 

 

mace- 5 squares in terms of speed

 

warhammer- 4 squares in terms of speed

 

abbysial whip- 6 squares in terms of speed

 

two handed swords- 3 squares (who needs it when you got a 100 str bonus?)

 

dds has the same speed as the whip-6 (oh yeah and the special is siiiiiiick)

 

 

 

you enjoy your warhammer and your mace. i'll be up in the 100's combat area where we've been there done that here's the screenie to prove it.

[pureprayer]

So why count out sq shields i mean there square and stuff even though its clear the other ones are better there still square d00d

[Cacmypants]

while I dont entirely agree with the rant, I do think there should be a dragon warhammer...