warhammers and maces shouldnt be counted out all the time!

[aarow]

why isnt there dragon warhammer! :x so many peopple say warhammers stink, well they dont, what weapon is better at crushing through pl8mail, and isnt 2h? also another stereotyping with warhammers is there all str! they are not all str they have very little actually, they specilize in consistantly hitting, not hitting high. lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem besides a 2h which lacks defense. Also, what about maces? some people actually bother to raise one of the most dull stats in the game, prayer, and a mace is a priests weapon! so why is it that nobody even people with good prayer ever have maces?!? if you had a rune mace, bottom monks robe, and top monks robe your pray bonous would be 15. =D>

 

bronze: warhammer: crush 10 -4 magic 8 str mace: crush 6 str 5 pray 1

 

iron: warhammer: crush 11 magic -4 str 9 mace: crush 9 str 7 (def) stab -2 pray 1

 

steel: warhammer: crush 18 magic -4 str 16 mace: crush 13 str 11 pray 2

 

mithril: warhammer: crush 25 str 20 mace: crush 18 str 16 pray 3

 

adamant: warhammer crush 33 magic -4 str 31 mace: crush 25 str 23 pray 3

 

rune: warhammer: crush 53 magic -4 str 48 mace: crush 39 str 36 pray 4

 

dragon: mace: crush 60 str 55 pray 5

 

 

 

yes, it is true that battle axes have higher str but at what cost? there very inacurate compared to a warhammer they have +48 SLASH, slash attacks are practicaly useless if you look at the armour stats below. also they do have a crush attack but is lame +43 crush, odds are the crush atk will do better anyway :shame:

 

In conclusion if you want a weapon that has a good max, but never hits by all meens pick a battle axe. i did some testing recently and found that the hammer hits 16 times a minute so if you asume that was against a person with pl8mail u add 17 to the base atk of a hammer giving it 70, you then multiply this 70 by the 16 giving you 1120 you then add 768 (48x16) giving you a total of 1888. now for the baxe it had the same hits per minute, 16 (actually 15 but i added one cuz i no theres no way hammer is faster) so u multiply 48 by 16 u get 768 then add 1024 (64x16) u get the total of 1792 so the hammer is yes, the better pker :ugeek: \

 

 

 

lastly if your enemy were to have full rune (including gauntlets) they would only have +203 crush their worst melle stat.

 

on the contrary the same amount of rune armour has +220 slash which is mainly what battle axes and scimitars use

 

 

 

if u want more info regarding warhammers or maces add me, johnhenry2nd

[Mico]

 

 

 

Please rewrite your rant, please, you' ll just get flamed.

[The_Gabe]

Lol pwned. #-o

[Omali]

if u want more info regarding warhammers or maces add me, johnhenry2nd

 

 

 

Since you've made it painfully obvious that your knowledge of warhammers and maces spans 2 seconds of reading the Runescape dragon weapons page in the knowledge base, I don't think we'll be needing your enlightening services.

[jjjon123]

lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem.

 

 

 

They do??? :shock: Wow i didn't know that thx \

[The_Gabe]

lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem.

 

 

 

They do??? :shock: Wow i didn't know that thx \

 

 

 

no. B axes and 2hs are better..

[123_x_pac]

Kai.

[fenrir321]

Warhammers are pretty much useless for these reasons:

 

1)The battle axe has MUCH higher str bonus: 16 difference. It is traded for 10 crush attack. Also, the baxe has a slash attack, whereas the hammer does not.

 

2)At 70 attack and 70 str, you would have a higher dps with a baxe than a hammer.

 

3)It takes 13 str to increase your max hit by 2 (it changes between 6 and 7 for +1 damage). By having just another +4 str, you could do up to 3 extra damage with a baxe than a hammer.

 

4)Battle axes look cooler \

[fenrir321]

lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem.

 

 

 

They do??? :shock: Wow i didn't know that thx \

 

 

 

no. B axes and 2hs are better..

 

Technically, the hammer does have the highest crush attack bonus, but the 2h and baxe axe out perform the hammer in slash atk & str, and str, respectively.

[BloodArgon]

Not about stats, its about how you use the stats.

[Roberthree]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

[aarow]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

[aarow]

lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem.

 

 

 

They do??? :shock: Wow i didn't know that thx \

 

 

 

ya, and i just wrote a rant on the longsword vs. scimmy outrage.

[aarow]

Warhammers are pretty much useless for these reasons:

 

1)The battle axe has MUCH higher str bonus: 16 difference. It is traded for 10 crush attack. Also, the baxe has a slash attack, whereas the hammer does not.

 

2)At 70 attack and 70 str, you would have a higher dps with a baxe than a hammer.

 

3)It takes 13 str to increase your max hit by 2 (it changes between 6 and 7 for +1 damage). By having just another +4 str, you could do up to 3 extra damage with a baxe than a hammer.

 

4)Battle axes look cooler \

 

 

 

if you never want to hit the enemy go ahead think about it the baxe had lower slash, and its crush was even lamer so like i said if you want to have one of those fights where you hit all 0s then one 20 then more 0s untile you die be my guest.

 

 

 

P.S. hammers look so much cooler

[aarow]

Not about stats, its about how you use the stats.

 

 

 

nice stats dude and ya the angry people in the beggining of the universe live in new york and detroit now, i live in detroit and im sure of it. oh ya how did u get that wizard hat pik? its cool

[Deathmath]

Well, a mace is decent, warhammers are just horrible because the slashing weapons are so much better the def difference doesn't matter.

[mervinator_9]

I dont know if your new to the forums and dont know better or whether your just bummping the [cabbage] out of your own thread but 4 posts in a row in 11 minutes is pretty bad, try editing once in a while, -.-

 

 

 

Warhammers and maces are in many ways specalised weapons they may be the best in certain things but its better to have a weapon that is good all round to be honest,

[fenrir321]

Warhammers are pretty much useless for these reasons:

 

1)The battle axe has MUCH higher str bonus: 16 difference. It is traded for 10 crush attack. Also, the baxe has a slash attack, whereas the hammer does not.

 

2)At 70 attack and 70 str, you would have a higher dps with a baxe than a hammer.

 

3)It takes 13 str to increase your max hit by 2 (it changes between 6 and 7 for +1 damage). By having just another +4 str, you could do up to 3 extra damage with a baxe than a hammer.

 

4)Battle axes look cooler \

 

 

 

if you never want to hit the enemy go ahead think about it the baxe had lower slash, and its crush was even lamer so like i said if you want to have one of those fights where you hit all 0s then one 20 then more 0s untile you die be my guest.

 

 

 

P.S. hammers look so much cooler

 

Dragonhide i.e. rangers are weak against slash attacks. And 10 atk difference isn't going to make much of a difference when compared to possible +3 max damage. It's because the axe is more versatile and has higher str that it is much more useful.

 

 

 

Not about stats, its about how you use the stats.

 

 

 

nice stats dude and ya the angry people in the beggining of the universe live in new york and detroit now, i live in detroit and im sure of it. oh ya how did u get that wizard hat pik? its cool

 

 

 

Edit: I got owned :wall: :wall: :wall: Thought you were using sarcasm in that post #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

[aarow]

I dont know if your new to the forums and dont know better or whether your just bummping the [cabbage] out of your own thread but 4 posts in a row in 11 minutes is pretty bad, try editing once in a while, -.-

 

 

 

Warhammers and maces are in many ways specalised weapons they may be the best in certain things but its better to have a weapon that is good all round to be honest,

 

 

 

i edited it like 5 or 6 times lol and hammers i will admit are not very good at monster killing but when it comes to pking nothing is better

[aarow]

Warhammers are pretty much useless for these reasons:

 

1)The battle axe has MUCH higher str bonus: 16 difference. It is traded for 10 crush attack. Also, the baxe has a slash attack, whereas the hammer does not.

 

2)At 70 attack and 70 str, you would have a higher dps with a baxe than a hammer.

 

3)It takes 13 str to increase your max hit by 2 (it changes between 6 and 7 for +1 damage). By having just another +4 str, you could do up to 3 extra damage with a baxe than a hammer.

 

4)Battle axes look cooler \

 

 

 

if you never want to hit the enemy go ahead think about it the baxe had lower slash, and its crush was even lamer so like i said if you want to have one of those fights where you hit all 0s then one 20 then more 0s untile you die be my guest.

 

 

 

P.S. hammers look so much cooler

 

Dragonhide i.e. rangers are weak against slash attacks. And 10 atk difference isn't going to make much of a difference when compared to possible +3 max damage. It's because the axe is more versatile and has higher str that it is much more useful.

 

 

 

the baxe has no accuracy but also gets good str its really a weapon prefrence, and yes you should always never use crush on a ranger, you will die

 

 

 

P.S. you only get 2 more max hit

 

 

 

Not about stats, its about how you use the stats.

 

 

 

nice stats dude and ya the angry people in the beggining of the universe live in new york and detroit now, i live in detroit and im sure of it. oh ya how did u get that wizard hat pik? its cool

 

 

 

Edit: I got owned :wall: :wall: :wall: Thought you were using sarcasm in that post #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

[amitoz]

Kai.

 

Indeed. :)

[Roberthree]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

[aarow]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

 

 

 

its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

[compfreak847]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

 

 

 

its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

 

Nowhere close. Please test your weapons for several hours under controlled conditions before posting next time. I would, but I'd rather spend the time testing something with a less obvious outcome.

[fenrir321]

Slash has absurdly powerful weapons that make the 20 or so difference in defenses seem like nothing. They hit faster and just as hard.

 

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

 

 

 

They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time.

 

 

 

its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

 

If you want to get technical, then here's an adequate percentage base:

 

for the sake of the argument, let's say that you multiply the atk lvl by the atk bonus and then divide that value by the def lvl and defense bonus of the target.

 

At lvl 100 attack the warhammer, longsword, and scimitar have 5300 crush, 4700 slash, and 4500 slash attack value respectively.

 

For a full set of rune armor, this would be the values: 20,900 slash and 19,200 crush.

 

hammer: 27.60% hit

 

sword: 22.48%

 

scimitar: 21.53%

 

 

 

But it doesn't end there. I'm pretty sure that the speed works like this:

 

For every 6 scimitar attacks, there are 4 hammer and 5 longsword attacks.

 

now:

 

hammer: 27.47% to miss all 4 times (.7240^4)

 

sword: 27.99% to miss all 5 times (.7752^5)

 

scimitar: 23.35% to miss all 6 times. (.7847^6)

 

 

 

As you can see, even though rune armor is weak against crush attacks, the scimitar beats out the longsword and the hammer by far. The difference between the strength bonuses of the hammer and scimitar is 4. That's not enough to affect your max hit unless you're on the border. And if that's the case, then the person should upgrade their armor and/or train str.

 

 

 

 

 

I hope these numbers have enlightened you ;)

 

 

 

 

 

edit: I'll even add the hit chance for baxes:

 

4800 slash and 4300 crush attack value

 

22.96% to hit with slash; 22.39% to hit with crush

 

 

 

35.22% (.7704^4) slash

 

36.28% (.7761^4) crush

 

 

 

Now, the difference in str between the baxe and the hammer is 16. That can raise your max hit by 2.5 (4 more str will bring it up to 3). Rs players have always been "fascinated" by max hit. So, they'll trade 8% accuracy for +3 damage :roll: . Good for finishing moves, bad for pve or long term attacks. Same thing with 2hs in bh. They're only good for finishing blows.