Jagex changes for the worse

[Lunarchie]

So here I start with MY frustrations...god yes.

 

 

 

Have you ever noticed that some changes just suck because in the past they were advantages that were needed and now...they're gone forever? For example the fact that you have to be level 31 to pray up at the monastary altar, the limit of items you can trade to people etc.

 

 

 

It kinda bugs me, because they could have put at alter and a guild seperate, but now, when you're fighting to dwarfs or goblins for example you have to get quite far to varrock to get it recharged. I guess they reckoned one advantage would be enough.

 

 

 

The limit of items...well...unoftortunately everyone knows why that has happened and unfortunately, me the guy being that I am a guy with feelings for justice also has to say it's good to let the game be played fair and by yourself.

 

 

 

I just miss the advantages though...I also get the feeling more and more [cabbage] is going to the members only which really smells (sorry).

[Moad14]

We members pay for Jagex to update our content. I assume you're a free player. Jagex wants you to pay your five bucks a month, so they don't update F2P very often. In my opinion it should never be updated again, as it seems to be becoming more of a true game than a trial for membership.

 

I see nothing wrong with guild requirements, since they're all exceedingly low. I would be interested in hearing why you're praying against dwarves and goblins though. Why do you say it used to be an advantage to get into the monastery, but that it's not now?

 

There's nothing wrong with the trade limits either, they're fair, scam proof, and most people use the Grand Exchange instead.

[Zierro]

I do miss the old trading system. You could make money a lot easier by merchanting and you could give and receive gifts. But, according to Jagex, it was the only solution to keep the game from being ruined. I'd rather play Runescape at all than be able to trade freely for a couple months.

[Imamonkey]

You have always had to have 31 prayer to use the altar upstairs at the monestary.

 

 

 

Personally. I could care less about real world trading. I don't do it, but if someone wants to spend real world money to advance in a game, so what. So they spent money to achieve what you or I played for. I do however don't want to see autoers. And it seems they are pretty much gone. I am sure there are still some around, but not to the extent that they were before recent updates.

 

 

 

I can live with real world trading, if stopping it means changing the game drastically. I believe you can stop the autoers and not affect the game as greatly.

 

 

 

One example is certain prayer book pages. Don't know if it is still this way but it was. Some pages only go for a couple hundred k. Yet players still demand around the mill mark for them. So we have junnk trading. This is one example of how GE fails. If players demand this amount of money for them, why doesn't the GE prices reflect that? Forcing junk trading.

[Shazarabbit]

You have always needed 31 prayer, so that aspect wasn't taken from you at all. As for the trading limits you get used them. You can still trade what you need to. It just stops "Free" trading. You can borrow items through the lend system. I don't see a problem.

[compfreak847]

Monastery was always the same. And I suggest you take a look at some of Jagex's diaries about the trade limit.

[Imamonkey]

Yes, you can still trade what you need to. But the fact is, the economy is for the most part completely turned upside down. I know this has been said before, but the title of this thread

Jagex changes for the worse

is a reason for my reply and this is one of the main reasons I agree with the title of this thread.

 

 

 

Example: Even if you buy a diamond already cut at 2,514, you can only sell the made amulet at 2,495. That is if you mine the gold yourself, you still lose money. An enchanted amulet sells for 2,585. So if you still gather all the materials yourself, your profit is still very small. It is this way for most things now. I realize this is a game and not the real world. But if this happened in the real world the whole world would basically be a third world country. Since the GE, the Amulet of Power has decreased in value by about 75%. So yes, Jagex/Runescape has more or less changed for the worse in certain aspects.

 

 

 

I still like the game and I still play it. I learn to accept the changes and just continue to do what I enjoy. But this is the rants forum. Being a moderator, why should you take the rants away when this is what this board is for.

[compfreak847]

Yes, you can still trade what you need to. But the fact is, the economy is for the most part completely turned upside down. I know this has been said before, but the title of this thread

Jagex changes for the worse

is a reason for my reply and this is one of the main reasons I agree with the title of this thread.

 

 

 

Example: Even if you buy a diamond already cut at 2,514, you can only sell the made amulet at 2,495. That is if you mine the gold yourself, you still lose money. An enchanted amulet sells for 2,585. So if you still gather all the materials yourself, your profit is still very small. It is this way for most things now. I realize this is a game and not the real world. But if this happened in the real world the whole world would basically be a third world country. Since the GE, the Amulet of Power has decreased in value by about 75%. So yes, Jagex/Runescape has more or less changed for the worse in certain aspects.

 

 

 

I still like the game and I still play it. I learn to accept the changes and just continue to do what I enjoy. But this is the rants forum. Being a moderator, why should you take the rants away when this is what this board is for.

 

Most rants are expected to remain at least somewhat realistic. As for the 'economy' being messed up, how is that Jagex's fault? Unlike in the real world, experience counts for far more then finished products; people spend millions on 99 smithing for XP, not money. That's the problem with games like this, driven by XP; there are far too many people who want 99 smithing, and a single 99 smither produces thousands upon thousands of semi-useful armor, like addy plates. If supply > demand, prices will decrease. Not jagex's fault; say what you want about the GE, this is for the most part a player-controlled economy.

[Imamonkey]

And most people that rant are not really looking for a solution. Most, at least I realize certain things. Doesn't mean I like it. And I don't go around the game griping about things like some. Even if I agree, I find it annoying and to no purpose to go on the game and complain.

 

 

 

To me, the rants board should be a place to let off the steam without someone saying you are wrong, or making the way you feel about something is not legitimate or invalidate. Although, original poster did bring up a fact that wasn't true. The 31 prayer point that is.

 

 

 

And how was the economy before the GE not player driven? Maybe it is. It does go to show you how greed fails then. Because in the real world this type of economy would definitely reek of fail. And yes, I know it is a game and not the real world. It still makes no sense even if it is a game.

 

 

 

And as far as game play goes, I live with it and continue to play. I don't come on here and cry and say I am going to quit because of it. The game, as real life has many things we may not like, but we either deal with it or quit. I have no plans to quit life. For now, I have no plans to quit RS at the moment. But you honestly tell me that the economy of RS is balanced, well...............

[compfreak847]

And most people that rant are not really looking for a solution. Most, at least I realize certain things. Doesn't mean I like it. And I don't go around the game griping about things like some. Even if I agree, I find it annoying and to no purpose to go on the game and complain.

 

 

 

To me, the rants board should be a place to let off the steam without someone saying you are wrong, or making the way you feel about something is not legitimate or invalidate. Although, original poster did bring up a fact that wasn't true. The 31 prayer point that is.

 

 

Fine with me. But every part of this rant is wrong. The OP is complaining about how Jagex is changing things to make us players more miserable. The first half of his rant is invalidated due to his being dead wrong; it was never changed. The second half, trade limit, is also wrong. It was a choice between shut down RS or make a 60k trade limit. Did Jagex choose the worse route? Not in my opinion. Just as he can post his opinion, I can say that his is wrong and that mine is correct, if I have decent evidence to back it up. He can do the same right back to me, and so forth and so on.

 

 

 

 

And how was the economy before the GE not player driven? Maybe it is. It does go to show you how greed fails then. Because in the real world this type of economy would definitely reek of fail. And yes, I know it is a game and not the real world. It still makes no sense even if it is a game.

 

Obviously the economy has always been 90% player driven. Exactly hat I said. And how doesn't it make sense? I explained it quite simply. Very basic laws of economics.

 

 

 

 

And as far as game play goes, I live with it and continue to play. I don't come on here and cry and say I am going to quit because of it. The game, as real life has many things we may not like, but we either deal with it or quit. I have no plans to quit life. For now, I have no plans to quit RS at the moment. But you honestly tell me that the economy of RS is balanced, well...............

 

And how isn't it balanced? You can buy what you want, and sell what you want, with no freeze ups except for certain 3rd age armor and rares. Supply and demand is balanced. The economy isn't about to ruin RS; it is quite peaceful and, for the most part, productive.

[Imamonkey]

Yes, it is balanced if raw materials should cost more than a finished product. I still enjoy the game. I didn't come on here to start a debate about it. I put in my two cents worth. I hardly ever rant on here. I know it is old. But I wanted to say I think it is one way the game has changed for the worse.

 

 

 

Yes you can still make money. You can play the market, or you can gather and sell. As far as being able to buy materials and make a product for profit, you can't do that anymore. Before the GE you could, now you can't.

 

 

 

You cannot argue that point with me because you know it to be true.

 

 

 

Edit: This is the main reason I don't post here much. The rants forum always get's turned into the debate fourm.

[Moad14]

Yes you can still make money. You can play the market, or you can gather and sell. As far as being able to buy materials and make a product for profit, you can't do that anymore. Before the GE you could, now you can't.

 

 

 

You cannot argue that point with me because you know it to be true.

I can and will argue that point. Though many skills were killed by the Grand Exchange, Fletching and RuneCrafting still live on. You can buy all your materials and still turn a profit. Other skills that do lose money can easily be made up for in other ways. There are no flaws in the system if you have a balanced character.

[Imamonkey]

I am playing an account with 1776 skill total at the moment, and it is not my main. I know about balanced characters.

 

 

 

And I mentioned in an earlier post, I think most come on here to vent more than for an answer or to have their frustrations invalidated. What in the hell is so hard to understand about that?

 

 

 

I know some come on here and go nuts and want to kick the dog and act crazy. I feel most just need to vent and don't need the debate. Most more than likely just need that venting on go about playing. If this was meant to be a debate, it would be in the debates thread. If you want to debate, look up thread in the debates forum.

 

 

 

If Tip.it won't allow players to vent without a big debate, then they should do away with this forum topic altogether.

 

 

 

I mean, hell, I can just go to the debates forum if that is what I am looking for.

[highlanders]

Jag practices interventionism.

[Mystik01]

In a rants forum, people post up to find validation, simpathy and also people to agree with them. But on the flipside, be mature enough to realize that there are going to be people who don't care about the OPs situation, and will express it. They have as much of a right to say what they have to say about the situation in which the OP is in. If you go voice your opinion or rants on a public board, be prepared to take the good and the bad with a grain of salt.

 

 

 

And about the economy, compfreak847 is completely right in a nutshell. This is a game where it is exp driven. He explained it all and its a simple matter of economics.

[compfreak847]

Yes, it is balanced if raw materials should cost more than a finished product. I still enjoy the game. I didn't come on here to start a debate about it. I put in my two cents worth. I hardly ever rant on here. I know it is old. But I wanted to say I think it is one way the game has changed for the worse.

 

 

 

Yes you can still make money. You can play the market, or you can gather and sell. As far as being able to buy materials and make a product for profit, you can't do that anymore. Before the GE you could, now you can't.

 

 

 

You cannot argue that point with me because you know it to be true.

 

 

Actually, your wrong. Before the GE, and even for a while before the release of skill capes, most skills like Herblore and Smithing didn't make money. This game is XP driven; the journey is worth more then the goal. That's why it's like that, not because 'jagex is changing things'. The GE simply made it easier to trade, and therefore more obvious.

 

 

And I mentioned in an earlier post, I think most come on here to vent more than for an answer or to have their frustrations invalidated. What in the hell is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing. But I'm simply pointing out that this entire rant is totally wrong, and is obvoiusly written by a short-sided, misinformed individual - both of his two 'points' are so completely wrong that this rant simply makes him look bad.

 

 

If Tip.it won't allow players to vent without a big debate, then they should do away with this forum topic altogether.

 

Excuse me? We are now not allowed to differ from the OPs opinion? When did the rules of the rants form change from 'discussion' to 'only post if you agree with me 100%'?

 

 

I mean, hell, I can just go to the debates forum if that is what I am looking for.

 

No, you would be instantly killed in the debates forum - this is for informal, unimportant, opinion-oriented debates. The debates forum is for serious debaters with real points and valid reasons.

 

Jag practices interventionism.

 

Only when necessary - and it generally doesn't 'change things for the worse'. And certainly not in any of the two ways the OP mentioned.

[depresins]

I like to look at skilling like I look at university. You put forward a huge initial expense, and you don't make any money for quite a while, but it prepares you for later on in life and gives you future earning power. That's me trying to put a positive spin on the rs economy.

 

 

 

Sure, it sucks raw materials are more expensive than finished products. But if you profit in the present really makes sense to you, then you'll get off your [wagon] and go and do the grunt work for a change.

[BloodArgon]

The difference is this.

 

 

 

Real world economy : There are only a few large suppliers of say, computers. They make them, they have the technology, and, they sell them and turn out money.

 

 

 

RS Economy : Everyone is a computer manufacturer. We can all make dells, or we have the ability to spend a month of time to make dells. With everyone making dells, why would anyone want to buy one? And since this game is about XP, everyone wants to make thousands, so many that no one needs any, and they drop in price.

 

 

 

Dell is just an analogy for anything. Your power amulets.

[Reztral]

Kinda lame you are praying while fighting goblins, but that's your choice. I've always said that if you are not happy with the way Jagex is handling the game, then you should probably quit playing. It does suck when things are changed, especially if they are changed for the worse in your opinion, but Jagex owns the game so they are free to add or take away features whenever and however they want to.

[Xrakeo]

As far as p2p vs f2p goes, if you want quality entertainment, pay for it. Internet for example isnt free, you pay for it. You cant expect to get a lot for free.

[Fairness]

And the thing that irks me especially... I was thinking he'd want to protect melee against dwarves and goblins for some reason, but then you already have monastery access. What, you want to protect item so you don't lose your precious one mithril scimitar? #-o