August 2, 200520 yr Oh man, don't even get me started on law suits. You think that's silly, try being a doctor. The following situation happens daily: Characters: > The Surgeon - A man who spent 12 years of his life doing intense schooling and studing, he devoted his life to saving the lives of others and graduated top of his class at John Hopkins. > Mrs. Amerikan - A single mom who works a factory job, smokes 2 packs a day, and only really cares about herself and her 15 year old daughter (who goes out and drinks everynight and the mom doesnt care at all) The Plot: *Amerikan rushes to the hospital* Amerikan: OMG! My daughter got in a massive car crash, she was on her way back from a party where she got totally wasted. She ran a red light and killed a pedestrian before hitting a brick wall. She needs medical attention!!!! *the Surgeon looks at the girl* Surgeon: Holy... Get her to the ER0 IMMEDIATELY!!! Prepare the OR, summon the staff, get me the Doctor on call. *hours pass, the Surgeon returns to the waiting room covered in sweat and looks exhausted* Surgeon: Miss, I have some bad news... We (the staff of 20 or so) worked and stopped the bleeding, fixed her skull fracture and then I decided it would be best if we gave her 50mL Resparatondan to put her in an induced sleep so we could pump the alcohol out of her stomach and mend her rib cage. Unfortunately, apparently she recently did PCP and the Resparatondan mixed with the chemicals already in her blood... her heart stopped and it couldn't be healed. She's dead. I'm sorry. Amerikan: WHAT?!?!?! OM MY GAWD YOU KILLED MY GIRL!!!! I'M GOING TO SUE YOU FOR ALL YOU GOT AND THEN MORE!!!! The case goes to trial and the Doctor tries to explain that Amerikan didn't tell her the girl did PCP, and that he did his best. The judge disagrees and sides with the mom. The doctor is stripped of his medical licence and forced to pay 85 million dollars. :roll: :x - - - - - My dad's a psychiatrist. That's a true story.
August 2, 200520 yr Hey Merc - with the alka-seltzer thing... like, where do we draw the line? I know that 1 in every 1 000 000 000 000 people are allergic to water. What if one of his players was dehydrated? Should he refrain from giving them a waterbottle (which in this case would act as a medication), to get rid of it? I mean, he could react and die, right? I know this is an extreme example and irrelevant to your point :P I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that just because it's possible that someone may die from something, doesn't mean you shouldn't give it - because I'm pretty sure that in this World, there is an allergy to everything, and it's possible that anyone can die from pretty much anything, in theory.
August 2, 200520 yr Author [cut] That would be the American system for ya. Both my parents are surgeons and they've had some pretty silly suits filed against them. My dad's an oral surgeon. He was working on a patient's teeth after the guy was in a gangfight. He did a great job; the patient's teeth/gums looked about as good as possible. However, the guy also needed to get his eyes checked out since they were messed up pretty badly. My dad told his patient about this ophthalmologist he knew that worked in his old hospital. If the guy wanted to go to him, my dad said he could get him a free examination. So the guy said sure and went to the hospital. When he got his eyes checked out, the doctor said that there was not much that could be done about the bruising or bleeding, it would just take time for it to heal itself up. He gave the patient some drops for the pain and to make the healing process go a little quicker. However, during the examination the doctor also found that the guy had cataracts (a clouding of the lens, resulting in poor vision) in both his eyes. Keep in mind this had absolutely nothing to do with the gangfight, just something that had been developing over the years and the guy just never had it checked out. The doctor told him that if he wanted, he could choose to get cataract surgery done at this hospital or go back to his regular optometrist and have the optometrist refer him to a different ophthalmologist. The patient chose to get it done by the guy my dad told him to go to for his fight injuries. So about a month later, the patient goes to get his surgery. Left eye goes well. Right eye, complications start happening. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but his one week post-op examination showed that his right eye had a very sharp [bleep]e in pressure and that his optic nerve was damaged. Basically, the guy had acute glaucoma. So what does he do? What every great American would do of course. He sued the ophthalmologist. But wait, he wouldn't stop there; wouldn't be much of a story if he did now would it? In addition, he also filed suit against my dad for "convincing him to go to a discreditable surgeon." (his/his lawyer's words) When my dad told me about this, I was like are you kidding me? First of all, my dad did not try to convince him, all he said was that he could arrange a free examination since my dad knew the doctor. Secondly, the patient receieved surgery for cataracts, something my dad knew nothing about. He told him about the ophthalmologist for his fight injuries, nothing else. Thirdly, the patient made the choice to go to this ophthalmologist himself, he was clearly given the choice to go to his optometrist and get referred to a surgeon that the optometrist knew. Still, the guy sued my dad. And won. The ophthalmologist got a malpractice lawsuit filed for something like $550,000 and my dad got sued for $150,000. 150g for having nothing to do with the surgery whatsoever. Gotta love how legal medicine works. I am going to learn more about it next year in med school, but I've taken some legal courses in pre-med. Most precautions are great, but some of the things patients do are just...makes you want to slap them. Oh and insane, I'm a "she." :wink:
August 2, 200520 yr The parents hadn't even let the nurse know that their child had asthma. At my school, all medication that is required to be taken during the day has to be registered at the office. They wouldn't let her use her inhaler because they didn't know she had asthma because her parents hadn't specified that she did, and they didn't even know if it was HER inhaler. (There's a pretty big drug problem at my school and they're very paranoid about kids abusing medication such as inhalers.) So what did they do? Pluck it from her fingers and told her she wasn't allowed to use it while they stood by and watched her suffer from an asthma attack? She had the inhaler in her purse, and that's what she told them. They wouldn't allow her to go get her purse. They just made her sit there and wait for her mom. Yeah but the teachers would have been sued if the girl had died from an asthma attack.
August 2, 200520 yr I know that 1 in every 1 000 000 000 000 people are allergic to water. What if one of his players was dehydrated? Should he refrain from giving them a waterbottle (which in this case would act as a medication), to get rid of it? I mean, he could react and die, right? Surely they'd be dead from water content in their body before they get to the point where they'd be in sports =x Alka-Seltzer always makes me wanna puke after I drink it! I say, as long as she could take the repulsive taste of the stuff, let her have it! I like throwing it in glasses of water just to see it fizz :lol: I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam.
August 2, 200520 yr Ok i talked to my best friend yesterday, who is like a lifegaurd in training. He has taken more medical courses then any one i know (except his sister who is a life gaurd too). Anways, i asked him about the situation, and this is what he said: You can ask them if they want it. If they say yes they want the substance, you can prep it and all and get it ready for them to take. But when it comes to taking it, they must do everything themselves. This way, if something happens, your not the one that is sued for attempted murdure, or first digree murdure. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you!
August 2, 200520 yr Ok i talked to my best friend yesterday, who is like a lifegaurd in training. He has taken more medical courses then any one i know (except his sister who is a life gaurd too). Anways, i asked him about the situation, and this is what he said: You can ask them if they want it. If they say yes they want the substance, you can prep it and all and get it ready for them to take. But when it comes to taking it, they must do everything themselves. This way, if something happens, your not the one that is sued for attempted murdure, or first digree murdure. Maybe third degree, but I find it really hard to imagine that theyd get sued for first degree (although people will do anything for a free buck...) First-degree murder (or murder in the first degree, or colloquially, murder one) refers to premeditated murder, or murder which occurs after some degree of reflection by the murderer. This reflection can be years or less than a second. Second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter refers to murder done without thought in the heat of the moment, or in some states after "adequate provocation". Third-degree murder, also known as manslaughter, occurs without the specific intent to kill, but usually after an act of criminal negligence or some other act resulting in a person's death. This would in some cases include a death caused by drunk driving or someone dying as the result of an assault in which case the perpetrator didn't have the intent to kill. I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam.
August 2, 200520 yr I know that 1 in every 1 000 000 000 000 people are allergic to water. around here is a kid thats allergic to the sun :shock: its kinda weird because he has to wear what looks like a thin space suit everytime he goes outside.
August 2, 200520 yr I know that 1 in every 1 000 000 000 000 people are allergic to water. around here is a kid thats allergic to the sun :shock: its kinda weird because he has to wear what looks like a thin space suit everytime he goes outside. I saw a kid like that once. As for allergic to water? I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Any animal can't live unless his/her/its cells go though cellular respiration (the 'burning' of surgar within the cells to create energy), and a product of cellular respiration is water... so yea... You'd die instantly if you were allergic to water. (not to mention the humidty in the air, lol)
August 2, 200520 yr I know that 1 in every 1 000 000 000 000 people are allergic to water. around here is a kid thats allergic to the sun :shock: its kinda weird because he has to wear what looks like a thin space suit everytime he goes outside. I saw a kid like that once. As for allergic to water? I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Any animal can't live unless his/her/its cells go though cellular respiration (the 'burning' of surgar within the cells to create energy), and a product of cellular respiration is water... so yea... You'd die instantly if you were allergic to water. (not to mention the humidty in the air, lol) I believe it's like a small irritant, like mild effects. Whatever, it doesn't matter. My point still stands in context, when you take out specifics.
August 2, 200520 yr Maybe third degree, but I find it really hard to imagine that theyd get sued for first degree (although people will do anything for a free buck...) First-degree murder (or murder in the first degree, or colloquially, murder one) refers to premeditated murder, or murder which occurs after some degree of reflection by the murderer. This reflection can be years or less than a second. Second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter refers to murder done without thought in the heat of the moment, or in some states after "adequate provocation". Third-degree murder, also known as manslaughter, occurs without the specific intent to kill, but usually after an act of criminal negligence or some other act resulting in a person's death. This would in some cases include a death caused by drunk driving or someone dying as the result of an assault in which case the perpetrator didn't have the intent to kill. Looking at it, ya your right, perhaps not First, but perhaps second. cause you know the person has the condition, but you did something to furthur worsen it... i dont know, My friend just said it... but hes not big on laws :wink: Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you!
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