One annoying thing causes another...

[Nomrombom]

When I was but a noob a few years ago: I ran laws. I ran so many laws. I ran huge numbers of laws. I loved it. It was fun, there were lots of people to talk with, and I got huge amounts of laws for random teleports I needed and for training via Camelot tele. I loved my talisman and cherished it. I skyrocketed my magic level from 45 to around 52 in maybe 5 hours of playing or less. I loved Jagex back them. Me and him were best buds, and I almost never complained about anything he did.

 

 

 

Then. The trade limits were imposed. I was happy about it for a couple of hours while I was training my woodcutting because I had been scammed 25k because a guy put up a rune scim, 5 cowhides, then took the scim away. I got to my goal level of 60 and decided to go run some laws. I met a bunch of people along the way, just like normal. I sailed to Entrana and ran over the altar. I found a crafter and traded them. Then, I found out what the limits did to running.

 

 

 

Because I could not take all these laws for so little, running was rendered impossible. I was so pissed at Jagex, once my best friend and now only a friend you might chat with if you saw them in a store. This update, this horribly planned update, completely BLEEPED running. Running, for those of you that don't know, is (was) a method in which crafters would pay runners with laws and maybe some money in return for more essence to craft. This was extremely expensive for the crafter because they were trading 2k plus losing around 800-900 gp per rune, but they got REALLY fast xp. This was some of the fastest xp there was for runecrafting back then, before the ZMI altar and summoning and such. Everyone benefited. Runners made some money as well as got runes, miners were able to make lots of money by mining pure essence, and crafters could get extremely fast rcing xp. If only Jagex had simply devised a system so that people could run essence again. If the limit was not used if you were in a "running" phase, you could run essence, and everyone would be happy again. Instead, Jagex decided to let Runescape be run by immature kids that could not go through one trade without being scammed. Now, it is almost physically impossible to be scammed in a trade, simply because you are alerted when someone changes something and you have to be within a certain limit. If you are scammed now, you deserve to be scammed. I will admit, I am not 13 years old yet. I am very close to my 13th birthday though. Because I was smart enough to check the "I am older than 13" box, I can play without the restrictions. I consider myself to be quite mature. I read for pleasure, do all my homework, obey my parents, and do not do stupid things in real life or in Runescape. I think we can all safely say, when Jagex put Runescape on Miniclip, they screwed themselves and the already current players of Runescape.

[compfreak847]

Sorry, but I don't agree with blaming all the ills of runescape on Miniclip. And your proposed ess running solution would be wide open to RWT.

[Theoknight2]

Basically what compfreak said, they put them in so that there would be no rwt. Would you rather th game had shut down by now because of all the bots?

[Illuminated]

Have you ever heard of the "Request Assistance" button? I just read yesterday (even though the feature existed for some time) on how that's the new way to run laws nowadays, seeing with the trade limits inhibiting one from free laws.

 

 

 

How could you not know that, being a member and all? You don't even have to have the RCing level necessary to create the laws or even finish the quest, you can just request assistance... I don't see the problem here. :wall:

[Zaaps1]

The main problem here, which you've almost completely ignored, is RWT. That's the enemy, and Jagex needs to get rid of it.

 

 

 

Also, miniclip is only half the story. Don't blame it all on them, although they played a part.

[bewareitsandrew]

Requesting assistance is the new way of running :thumbsup:

[Harakiri]

Miniclip never ruined Runescape. I never would have gotten into Runescape were it not for the site. I don't know what you have against little kids entering Runescape, but I don't know why you think Runescape should be an exclusive club that you need to be over a certain age to get in. It wasn't the kids ruining Runescape, it was the trading and PKing community. Not all, but a lot.

 

 

 

I guess a lot of people never got scammed, murdered for no reason, or had to continually fight with the douche next to you for the better sale price of an item. I guess everyone else had a good experience before the update, and I was the only one with problems.

[Sir_Kurity]

Air running is the real thing thats ruined, law running can be done with assist, no one wants assist for airs runes.

[Omali]

I want to disagree with you, but your username captivates me so.

[Zaaps1]

Air running is the real thing thats ruined, law running can be done with assist, no one wants assist for airs runes.

 

 

 

F2P'ers? After 77rc, air running is still decent, and after 88 it beats ZMI. Although in both cases you can only get 30k xp per day.

[BabyPunchers]

I applaud you since you're 12 but pretty mature for your age.

[Sir_Kurity]

Yea, you forgot that you can only Air run after 77?

 

 

 

Oh yea, what are you going to do in f2p to GET UP to 77 in the first place. See? Beforehand you could do air running no matter what there level.

 

 

 

Also, 30k limit sucks.

[Nomrombom]

I'm not blaming Miniclip for all of Runescape's problems. Miniclip isn't at fault for anything. It was Jagex's decision to let the game be advertised on Miniclip. And requesting assistance can be extremely annoying because sometimes there aren't many people there, sometimes they won't help you, and sometimes it takes too much damn time. I relied on the days where I could run back and forth almost non stop and just get law runes, law runes, law runes.

 

 

 

RWT is a horribly large and looming issue. I am ok with Jagex imposing these restrictions. But they completely screwed running. Running isn't running anymore, it's go to altar, wait 5 minutes, find someone, ask them to assist, get rejected, try again, get accepted, craft. Time: 10 minutes.

 

Or real running: go to altar, look in the huge crowd for crafters, trade, snag laws, get out, bank. Time: 2-4 minutes maximum.

 

 

 

Bots: I'm surprised they don't ban more IP addresses. Ban the IP, and you can't use that computer to play Runescape - EVER. So these Chineses sweatshops? Group ISP bans? Bam. Jagex would only ban people they KNEW for certain were botting, not people they thought were, but actually not. And more players need to report bots. Seriously, it isn't hard to check that someone is botting: Say hi and make conversation. If they don't respond, send them a PM. If they don't respond, look at their level, clothes, and what they are doing. Usually bots are the cookie cutter first model that you can choose in character creation. Bots are also usually level 3. GODDAMN these (seven letter expletive) bots.

[compfreak847]

What on earth are you talking about IP bans? Do you know how long it takes to run a RS connection through a proxy? Hint: Give me putty and a SSH tunnel, and I'll have my connection routed through a SOCKS proxy in under 30 seconds.

 

 

 

I train with chat off all the time, "not responding" isn't proof it's a bot. Also, the RWTers weren't level 3s - they were high level players trained cheaply by players in sweatshops.

 

 

 

So, do you have any idea for stopping RWT that would work? Neither did Jagex, because there ISN'T one. The only solution is stopping unbalanced trade; a few small things had to be sacrificed like rune running, but they did it for the overall good of the game.

[Nomrombom]

Isn't it a bit creepy and scary that you can hide your IP address so easily and you have such a vast knowledge of hacking, comp? :ohnoes: :P :lol:

[sees_all1]

The only players these updates really hurt were the high level F2p RCers.... seems that people like you quit running, and it was impossible to train RC effectively (talk about a difficult skill going to impossible).

 

 

 

So, to appease us, Jagex introduced the GOP. And we've been quiet ever since.

 

 

 

-sees

[compfreak847]

 

Isn't it a bit creepy and scary that you can hide your IP address so easily and you have such a vast knowledge of hacking, comp?

 

 

 

In my defence, it's not exactly ubier hacking we're talking about... I'll bet there's quite a few people on this forum who could Putty a SOCKS tunnel through SSH. Only downside is slightly increased ping times, depending on the server. Tip.it should host a socks proxy :lol:

[Nomrombom]

WTF is a SOCKS server, anyway?

[compfreak847]

This will answer all your questions...

[Zaaps1]

Yea, you forgot that you can only Air run after 77?

 

 

 

Oh yea, what are you going to do in f2p to GET UP to 77 in the first place. See? Beforehand you could do air running no matter what there level.

 

 

 

Also, 30k limit sucks.

 

 

 

Doesn't mean it's not there. No reason someone can't do it the hard way, or transfer from members with the stat preloaded.