nicrune007 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Whip+DFS or Godsword, which is better? Also for equipment, which of this is better, or is there any better. Zammy D'hide Body + Bandos Tasset (314 range def 88 magic def with DFS)(242,78w/o) Barrows Body + Barrows Legs (392 range def 36 magic def with DFS)(320,36w/o) Thanks, Nicrune007 Hey Nicrune007 , Whats Your Username? 99 Ranged on 2/6/07 99 Hit Points on 9/5/08 99 Defense on 26/4/08 99 Attack on 14/2/09 99 Strength on 25/2/09 99 Slayer on 13/9/09\:D/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast647 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 GS Come to #tip-it on Swift IRC, if you're cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Whip + Defender. Ask sirhemen for further proof. I can get 4 kills per trip with a tortise (sometimes 5) with whip + defender, and my average is considerably higher then with GS. Karils top + Bandos tassets, swap it out for a zammy robe top while getting KC. Oh, and DFS stinks horribly. That's where most people get the 'teh whipz suckzorz!' arguments from. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Seeing as you are maxed this is the best for you. Verac's helm>Torag's helm Amulet of fury Karil's top Bandos tassets Dragon boots Fire cape>Trimmed skillcape Abyssal whip Rune defender Barrow gloves Abyssal whip speed and good accuracy and Rune defender's attack bonus beats Godsword at maxed level. You should try it 10 times before you decide for Godsword or Abyssal whip. The reason why most players find Abyssal whip bad is because they either don't have to good levels or they are not using Rune defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 You should try it 10 times before you decide for Godsword or Abyssal whip. Ten trips, maybe. I'd recommend 50 kills with each before decisively deciding. It's pretty obvious which wins, just log the number kills per trip. Not only does the whip deal more damage per minute, it has much less of a delay when eating. Then again, I've gotten kills without even eating with a whip. It's awesomely accurate. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Here's two videos to help you decide. I got 4 kills with both, but i found whip best. [yt]FYdiEQZP5nQ[/yt] [yt]V87sOyzEl5A[/yt] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Edited videos of one trip are slightly less then worthless, they can be skewed in whatever direction the makes feels like... Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. Bandos tasset has: +1 Prayer +2 Strength bonus +1 More ranged defense than barrow leg: Torag's leg (Don't get me wrong, Torag is great) +Bandos protection If you are gonna solo alot, then Bandos tasset wins. But i have no idea why you talking like you are. He asked which is best (Gs or abyssal whip+dfs) and what equipment and your replying with "Wear an unholy symbol or something". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. Bandos tasset has: +1 Prayer +2 Strength bonus +1 More ranged defense than barrow leg: Torag's leg (Don't get me wrong, Torag is great) +Bandos protection If you are gonna solo alot, then Bandos tasset wins. But i have no idea why you talking like you are. He asked which is best (Gs or abyssal whip+dfs) and what equipment and your replying with "Wear an unholy symbol or something". His first setup has zammy d'hide, which is inferior to karil's. Also I missed the part about tassets; his second setup had barrows legs so I assumed his first did also. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 is whip > gs better at any stat? Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. Bandos tasset has: +1 Prayer +2 Strength bonus +1 More ranged defense than barrow leg: Torag's leg (Don't get me wrong, Torag is great) +Bandos protection If you are gonna solo alot, then Bandos tasset wins. But i have no idea why you talking like you are. He asked which is best (Gs or abyssal whip+dfs) and what equipment and your replying with "Wear an unholy symbol or something". His first setup has zammy d'hide, which is inferior to karil's. Also I missed the part about tassets; his second setup had barrows legs so I assumed his first did also. Aha okey, i just read fast through. But i did tell him what he needed and we agree it's karil : Sorry for misunderstanding :thumbup: is whip > gs better at any stat? That i do not know, but i would assume it is. I have never done tests with whip and rune defender at lower levels. But i think it is because of this (I may be wrong though): A friend of mine with low defense had same gear as me at Dagannoth rex, and he got hit very little. I though that i didn't get hit much mostly because of my defence level, but it turned out that it was mostly because of the defensive armor. He was around 80is in defense where i was 99, and he did well defensewise. So i would say that Defense skill did not have a big impact there but the armor did. So same thing goes for Whip+Rune defender perhaps? Rune defender: Very great attack bonus which is what makes you hit through So i would dare to say that whip is better, but i can be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 is whip > gs better at any stat? Yes. Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. He needs to have a bandos item. Since he's praying melee, the only attack he's getting hit with is range and mage; torags legs and bandos tassets both have -4 mage defence but tassets have 1 higher range and +1 prayer. And the +2 strength doesn't hurt either. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 is whip > gs better at any stat? Yes. Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. He needs to have a bandos item. Since he's praying melee, the only attack he's getting hit with is range and mage; torags legs and bandos tassets both have -4 mage defence but tassets have 1 higher range and +1 prayer. And the +2 strength doesn't hurt either. Like I said I misread the OP's first post, but you don't need to have a bandos item. Just pray mage and run; oftentimes you'll take 0 damage. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 If you can't afford Bandos tassets or chestplate or something expensive. Torag's legs as legs/or verac if you want. Granite mace(G.E)/Ancient mace (Another slice of H.A.M) = BOTH ARE BANDOS ITEMS. Problem solved, and no he do not need Bandos item but it's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 is whip > gs better at any stat? Yes. Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. He needs to have a bandos item. Since he's praying melee, the only attack he's getting hit with is range and mage; torags legs and bandos tassets both have -4 mage defence but tassets have 1 higher range and +1 prayer. And the +2 strength doesn't hurt either. Like I said I misread the OP's first post, but you don't need to have a bandos item. Just pray mage and run; oftentimes you'll take 0 damage. It makes KC a much bigger pain as the gorak and bloodvields\hellhounds won't help out much. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 is whip > gs better at any stat? Yes. Karil's top plus Barrows is better than either, wear an unholy symbol or something. He needs to have a bandos item. Since he's praying melee, the only attack he's getting hit with is range and mage; torags legs and bandos tassets both have -4 mage defence but tassets have 1 higher range and +1 prayer. And the +2 strength doesn't hurt either. Like I said I misread the OP's first post, but you don't need to have a bandos item. Just pray mage and run; oftentimes you'll take 0 damage. It makes KC a much bigger pain as the gorak and bloodvields\hellhounds won't help out much. The fastest KC is the goblins by the Zamorak bridge, right? Bandos item wouldn't make a difference there. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The fastest KC is the goblins by the Zamorak bridge, right? Bandos item wouldn't make a difference there. Ever tried getting KC? If you don't wear a bandos item, the bandos spawns will target you instead of the zammy monsters, and the zammy monsters are much less aggressive. Since you don't 1 hit the monsters 100% of the time, your taking a big (20-30% with a GS) hit to your KC time - by far the longest part of the trip, knocking down your profits and slowing kills. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The fastest KC is the goblins by the Zamorak bridge, right? Bandos item wouldn't make a difference there. Ever tried getting KC? If you don't wear a bandos item, the bandos spawns will target you instead of the zammy monsters, and the zammy monsters are much less aggressive. Since you don't 1 hit the monsters 100% of the time, your taking a big (20-30% with a GS) hit to your KC time - by far the longest part of the trip, knocking down your profits and slowing kills. I see. I've seen my friend get KC but I realized I've never seen him get it with a bandos item... Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The fastest KC is the goblins by the Zamorak bridge, right? Bandos item wouldn't make a difference there. Ever tried getting KC? If you don't wear a bandos item, the bandos spawns will target you instead of the zammy monsters, and the zammy monsters are much less aggressive. Since you don't 1 hit the monsters 100% of the time, your taking a big (20-30% with a GS) hit to your KC time - by far the longest part of the trip, knocking down your profits and slowing kills. I just now (like now) kc'd there and it wasn't a problem. I kc'd with a whip and had an ancient mace in inventory. I trapped monsters with rocks. Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I just now (like now) kc'd there and it wasn't a problem. I kc'd with a whip and had an ancient mace in inventory. I trapped monsters with rocks. The problem isn't that you get hit, the problem is that your KC is slower : Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamster Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The fastest KC is the goblins by the Zamorak bridge, right? Bandos item wouldn't make a difference there. Ever tried getting KC? If you don't wear a bandos item, the bandos spawns will target you instead of the zammy monsters, and the zammy monsters are much less aggressive. Since you don't 1 hit the monsters 100% of the time, your taking a big (20-30% with a GS) hit to your KC time - by far the longest part of the trip, knocking down your profits and slowing kills. I just now (like now) kc'd there and it wasn't a problem. I kc'd with a whip and had an ancient mace in inventory. I trapped monsters with rocks. Just take an extra shark instead of the mace; you rarely take 20 damage running to boss room door. Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wioneo Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Or you could dip into the bandos pool before the trip and not have to worry about any of that mess...The prayer boost is nice as well, and the hp boost would pobably absorb any thing that the saradomin monsters try to throw at you when you drop in. Barrows: 9~2 V Brass,V Flail,2 Dh Plate,V Helm,V Skirt,T Legs,Malevolent Shield + DKing: 48~6 W Ring,13 A Ring,8 M Staff,9 S Ring,7 B Ring,3 SeercullDragon Drops: 500+~50+ Med,26 Axe,3 Chain,10+ Legs,10+ Spear,2 D2h,10+ L Half,49 Boots,2 DDs,10+ Lump,9 Claws,50+ Dagger,14 Visage,50+ Mace,4 Scimitar,7 Hasta,Baxe,50+ Long,30+ Royal,2 Kite,4 Ward,2 Plate,Staff,Hammer,Limbs, Mattock,HalberdGWD: 156~4 S Staff,50+ Shard,9 B Tass,13 B Plate,5 B Boots,6 A Plate,11 S Sword,8 A Hilt,4 A Skirt,9 A Helm,S Hilt,3 B Hilt,B Glove,2 A Buckler,Z Ward,Z Garb,2 Z Boots,B Shield,B Helm Corp: 3~Elysian,2 Sp Sh + Nex: 6~Torva Legs,Cere,P cowl,Z bow,2 T boots + GWD2: 9~2 Glaive,Wand,2 Crest,Blade,2 Essence,Core + Araxyte: 5~Web,3 Pheromone,Fang + Raids: 4~3 Codex,P Boots + Trails: 2~Bob Shirt,Fortunate Etc: 64~3 Sceptre,B Mask,16 Whip,2 Focus Sight,5 D Bow,7 SOL,Ragefire,2 Steadfast,Arma Staff,6 Rider Armor,5 Vine,2 Razorback,2 A Wand,Abby Orb,3 Blood Shard,6 Hydrix,Gland,Asc Xbow [spoiler=Capes]Quest Cape Aquired 12-7-07 ~ Level 93 + + + Completionist Cape Aquired 5-22-15 ~ Level 138Hitpoints Cape Aquired 9-21-09 ~ Level 131 + Magic Cape Aquired 9-24-09 + Attack Cape Aquired 3-5-10 ~ Level 135 + Summoning Cape Aquired 3-12-10Strength Cape Aquired 6-1-11 ~ Level 137 + Fire Cape Aquired 6-23-11 + Defence Cape Aquired 7-5-11 + Ranged Cape Aquired 8-1-11 + Kiln Cape Aquired 2-26-12 ~ Level 138Dungeoneering Cape Aquired 4-22-12 + Slayer Cape Aquired 6-25-14 ~ Level 200 + Herblore Cape Acquired 12-9-14 ~ Level 138 + Prayer Cape Acquired 12-20-14Agility Cape Acquired 1-4-15 + Hunter Cape Acquired 1-30-15 + Construction Cape Acquired 1-31-15 + Crafting Cape Acquired 2-22-15 + Thieving Cape Acquired 3-18-15Runecrafting Cape Acquired 4-14-15 + Mining Cape Acquired 4-19-15 + Fishing Cape Acquired 4-25-15 + Firemaking Cape Acquired 4-26-15 + Woodcutting Cape Acquired 4-26-15Cooking Cape Acquired 4-26-15+ Smithing Cape Acquired 4-28-15 + Farming Cape Acquired 4-29-15 + Divination Cape Acquired 5-3-15 + Dungeoneering Mastery 5-4-15Fletching Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Max Cape Acquired 5-4-15 + Invention Cape Acquired 11-9-16 + Invention Mastery 5-16-19 + Archaeology Cape Acquired 10-30-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I don't get you guys. KC spots: 1) Goblins near Zamorak bridge. Monsters: Weak ogre and goblins. Problem: None. So what if they are aggressive because you don't use Bandos item? That's a bonus. 2) Hobgoblins near Goblins (The ones where werewolfs is killing them). These ones are weak too, and i usually bring Enchanced Excalibur (14 def boost and 20 hp heal). Problem: None. 3) Hobgoblins near boss room. This is the slowest of them all. Don't need Bandos nor Zamorak item. Jeez... Running to boss: Requires no Bandos item but is best with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I don't get you guys. KC spots: 1) Goblins near Zamorak bridge. Monsters: Weak ogre and goblins. Problem: None. So what if they are aggressive because you don't use Bandos item? That's a bonus. 2) Hobgoblins near Goblins (The ones where werewolfs is killing them). These ones are weak too, and i usually bring Enchanced Excalibur (14 def boost and 20 hp heal). Problem: None. 3) Hobgoblins near boss room. This is the slowest of them all. Don't need Bandos nor Zamorak item. Jeez... Running to boss: Requires no Bandos item but is best with one. All of those KC areas are slowed down without a bandos item. You will be getting hit by the monsters instead of them fighting the zammy monsters, and the zammy monsters will not be damaging them nearly as often. If your wondering why I always beat you in KC, this is probably it :-# Or you could dip into the bandos pool before the trip and not have to worry about any of that mess...The prayer boost is nice as well, and the hp boost would pobably absorb any thing that the saradomin monsters try to throw at you when you drop in A major pain. When your doing 14 minute trips with 20 second banking runs, you don't want to have to waste 2 minutes getting to pools every time. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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