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I don't why this system that is so messed up is something Jagex uses but i am frankly tired of it.

 

 

 

Yes i died, but this is not the first time and i am not the only person who keeps items that's totally garbage and looses items that is worth alot.

 

 

 

It takes time to earn for example 10M, and alot of players work hard to obtain that much.

 

 

 

But then when you have a bad item like Regeneration bracelet which cost 300K and you die...

 

 

 

If you have a Saradomin sword (6m+) then you loose it.

 

 

 

I keep losing Fire capes again and again, and i am quite honestly fed up.

 

 

 

It's one thing to die and loose items, but another to die and loose the most valueable items.

 

 

 

When i died recently i lost:

 

Rune defender (Has no currency value, but i value it alot)

 

Fire cape (Over 300K Value)

 

Dragon boots

 

Helm of neizinot

 

 

 

What i kept:

 

Mystic robe bottom

 

Farseer helm (as hard to sell as Phat)

 

 

 

The death system is messed up. Even when dieing when you keep items that's valueable you still loose a big amount of cash.

*sigh*

 

 

 

I take it you died and lost something valuable? Sorry I haven't been in the CC lately, I did 4 days of hardcore questing to finish WGS and slay demons, and it's very hard to talk while doing so.

 

 

 

That being said, I am SICK of the duplicate threads on items lost upon death. As per my responses on half a dozen of these threads, before the GE, high alch was the only value that applied, and even if they change it now it presents quite a few problems - what about untradable\quest items? I don't want to keep 1 GP over my crystal bow simply because it has a market value of 0. Additionally, it would throw the market into chaos - the price of all armor sets is based upon what is lost and kept.

But you should know that where ever you go, you take the risk of losing those items. The simplest solution would be to not risk those items. But I understand why you are angry.

 

 

 

I think the reason why Jagex does not want to change the system is because then the items kept on death would just fluctuate too much for their liking. To me, that seems the reason closest to the truth, but either way it should be changed.

 

 

 

And what would you have if Jagex changed it to reflect GE price? You'd still lose the defender and fire cape.

 

 

 

Btw, phats aren't hard to sell anymore. Tons of buyers on the forums.

Click on the equipment icon, click on the skull, adjust as needed, and stop [bleep]ing crying. Or even better, stop getting yourself killed.

Click on the equipment icon, click on the skull, adjust as needed, and stop [bleep]ing crying. Or even better, stop getting yourself killed.

 

There's really no reason to flame. I'm sure he didn't intentionally get himself killed, and it's quite probable he knew of the items on death interface.

 

 

 

At any rate, he's got a more valid point then most rants on these forums. I can't even come up with a truly good argument against it.

Click on the equipment icon, click on the skull, adjust as needed, and stop [bleep]ing crying. Or even better, stop getting yourself killed.

 

I have died more than 5 times, over and over..

 

 

 

Do you see me making a thread everytime i die? No.

 

 

 

So i am not crying, i am ranting over a system that is stupid.

 

 

 

So if you can't understand, stop posting.

 

But you should know that where ever you go, you take the risk of losing those items. The simplest solution would be to not risk those items. But I understand why you are angry.

 

 

 

I think the reason why Jagex does not want to change the system is because then the items kept on death would just fluctuate too much for their liking. To me, that seems the reason closest to the truth, but either way it should be changed.

 

 

 

And what would you have if Jagex changed it to reflect GE price? You'd still lose the defender and fire cape.

 

 

 

Btw, phats aren't hard to sell anymore. Tons of buyers on the forums.

 

I want a good system, that's all i am asking for. As for my fire cape and rune defender, they are the ones i loose along with expensive items..

 

 

 

So i really am not getting back any of what i want: 1) The items i love (Defender+cape) 2) Expensive items

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

I take it you died and lost something valuable? Sorry I haven't been in the CC lately, I did 4 days of hardcore questing to finish WGS and slay demons, and it's very hard to talk while doing so.

 

 

 

That being said, I am SICK of the duplicate threads on items lost upon death. As per my responses on half a dozen of these threads, before the GE, high alch was the only value that applied, and even if they change it now it presents quite a few problems - what about untradable\quest items? I don't want to keep 1 GP over my crystal bow simply because it has a market value of 0. Additionally, it would throw the market into chaos - the price of all armor sets is based upon what is lost and kept.

 

I understand that you know alot about this, but you should understand things can be improved. I do not demand a new change, but i demand Jagex trying to fix this so that people don't loose items they worked hard to get and instead keep items that's garbage.

 

 

 

As for the problems, it's not my job. That's all i have to say...don't make a discussion.

I understand that you know alot about this, but you should understand things can be improved. I do not demand a new change, but i demand Jagex trying to fix this so that people don't loose items they worked hard to get and instead keep items that's garbage.

 

 

 

Yeah, I honestly don't see what harm choosing your safe items would cause, especially now that players can't loot what other players were wearing in PVP anymore anyways.

Click on the equipment icon, click on the skull, adjust as needed, and stop [bleep]ing crying. Or even better, stop getting yourself killed.

 

There's really no reason to flame. I'm sure he didn't intentionally get himself killed, and it's quite probable he knew of the items on death interface.

 

 

 

At any rate, he's got a more valid point then most rants on these forums. I can't even come up with a truly good argument against it.

 

 

 

Compfreak has been defeated! woooo \

 

 

 

It's called "lose" not "loose"

 

Compfreak has been defeated! woooo \

 

 

 

It's called "lose" not "loose"

 

How have I been defeated? I'm saying he's right and that I agree with him :?

Well, I was going to leave it at agreeing with you, but you've said quite a few things that I strongly disagree with, so I guess I'll begin the debate \

 

 

I want a good system, that's all i am asking for. As for my fire cape and rune defender, they are the ones i loose along with expensive items..

 

 

 

So i really am not getting back any of what i want: 1) The items i love (Defender+cape) 2) Expensive items

 

And what's your proposed solution to those problems? A high alch value is the best of all current systems for that, as a market price would destroy untradables and unbalance the economy. Selecting your own items would be absurdly complex, and we'd get rants from people who lost their Armadyl Hilt when they picked it up then died and their preselected granite shield protected over it.

 

 

 

 

I understand that you know alot about this, but you should understand things can be improved. I do not demand a new change, but i demand Jagex trying to fix this so that people don't loose items they worked hard to get and instead keep items that's garbage.

 

 

 

As for the problems, it's not my job. That's all i have to say...don't make a discussion.

 

So your just throwing it out there without a discussion or possible solution, saying "its their job, just because I don't have a clue how to fix the problem doesn't mean I can't complain about it"? Then it should be locked, read the guidelines at viewtopic.php?f=66&t=783809

 

 

 

Your rants also need to be worthy of discussion. Rather than saying, "I don't like this, it sucks," you need to present a valid argument for your rant and back it up.

 

 

 

Yeah, I honestly don't see what harm choosing your safe items would cause, especially now that players can't loot what other players were wearing in PVP anymore anyways.

 

See above example. How does choosing your own items work when your inventory changes? I don't want to protect my infinity boots over a newly-obtained berserker ring at DKS, and I certainly don't want to go through the hassle of changing it every time I get a rare drop; with dagganoths attacking me, it's impossible to bring up any interface anyway.

Click on the equipment icon, click on the skull, adjust as needed, and stop [bleep]ing crying. Or even better, stop getting yourself killed.

 

There's really no reason to flame. I'm sure he didn't intentionally get himself killed, and it's quite probable he knew of the items on death interface.

 

 

 

At any rate, he's got a more valid point then most rants on these forums. I can't even come up with a truly good argument against it.

 

 

 

Compfreak has been defeated! woooo \

 

 

 

It's called "lose" not "loose"

 

 

 

Now look what you've done :P

Well, I was going to leave it at agreeing with you, but you've said quite a few things that I strongly disagree with, so I guess I'll begin the debate \

 

 

I want a good system, that's all i am asking for. As for my fire cape and rune defender, they are the ones i loose along with expensive items..

 

 

 

So i really am not getting back any of what i want: 1) The items i love (Defender+cape) 2) Expensive items

 

And what's your proposed solution to those problems? A high alch value is the best of all current systems for that, as a market price would destroy untradables and unbalance the economy. Selecting your own items would be absurdly complex, and we'd get rants from people who lost their Armadyl Hilt when they picked it up then died and their preselected granite shield protected over it.

 

 

 

 

I understand that you know alot about this, but you should understand things can be improved. I do not demand a new change, but i demand Jagex trying to fix this so that people don't loose items they worked hard to get and instead keep items that's garbage.

 

 

 

As for the problems, it's not my job. That's all i have to say...don't make a discussion.

 

So your just throwing it out there without a discussion or possible solution, saying "its their job, just because I don't have a clue how to fix the problem doesn't mean I can't complain about it"? Then it should be locked, read the guidelines at viewtopic.php?f=66&t=783809

 

 

 

Your rants also need to be worthy of discussion. Rather than saying, "I don't like this, it sucks," you need to present a valid argument for your rant and back it up.

 

 

 

Yeah, I honestly don't see what harm choosing your safe items would cause, especially now that players can't loot what other players were wearing in PVP anymore anyways.

 

See above example. How does choosing your own items work when your inventory changes? I don't want to protect my infinity boots over a newly-obtained berserker ring at DKS, and I certainly don't want to go through the hassle of changing it every time I get a rare drop; with dagganoths attacking me, it's impossible to bring up any interface anyway.

 

Actually discussing it with you is not cool. But if this is gonna get locked, sure.

 

 

 

I honestly don't like discussing it with you. It's like i am suddenly Jagex when i am discussing with you.

 

 

 

1: I rant

 

2: Jagex hears that this is bad

 

3: Jagex tries to fix it

 

4: Fail or suceed, Jagex has atleast tried.

 

 

 

Your discussing is like "Well what's your solution?!"

 

 

 

I don't got a solution, but i am telling what's bad, and it's game feedback to Jagex.

 

 

 

I don't got a solution, but i am telling what's bad, and it's game feedback to Jagex.

 

So why are you posting it on this forum, where not only does it break the rules, in all probability it will never even be seen by Jagex?

 

 

 

I don't got a solution, but i am telling what's bad, and it's game feedback to Jagex.

 

So why are you posting it on this forum, where not only does it break the rules, in all probability it will never even be seen by Jagex?

 

See, that's why i don't like discussing with you. You turn everything into a discussion.

 

 

 

This is a forum and apparently Jagex views it. And i don't get how it's against the rules?

 

See, that's why i don't like discussing with you. You turn everything into a discussion.

 

 

 

This is a forum and apparently Jagex views it. And i don't get how it's against the rules?

 

Your also not getting that this forum HAS to have a discussion, as shown in my earlier post. I'll repeat the relevant section in the forum rules for you:

 

 

 

Your rants also need to be worthy of discussion. Rather than saying, "I don't like this, it sucks," you need to present a valid argument for your rant and back it up.

 

 

 

And you can bet that Jagex reads their official forums much more closely then any of the plethora of fansites.

 

See, that's why i don't like discussing with you. You turn everything into a discussion.

 

 

 

This is a forum and apparently Jagex views it. And i don't get how it's against the rules?

 

Your also not getting that this forum HAS to have a discussion, as shown in my earlier post. I'll repeat the relevant section in the forum rules for you:

 

 

 

Your rants also need to be worthy of discussion. Rather than saying, "I don't like this, it sucks," you need to present a valid argument for your rant and back it up.

 

How is it that you loose expensive and items which has no value but takes alot time, not a valid argument?

 

 

 

The discussion should be on topic, not expanded to something else or turn the topic into a suggestion.

 

See, that's why i don't like discussing with you. You turn everything into a discussion.

 

 

 

This is a forum and apparently Jagex views it. And i don't get how it's against the rules?

 

Your also not getting that this forum HAS to have a discussion, as shown in my earlier post. I'll repeat the relevant section in the forum rules for you:

 

 

 

Your rants also need to be worthy of discussion. Rather than saying, "I don't like this, it sucks," you need to present a valid argument for your rant and back it up.

 

How is it that you loose expensive and items which has no value but takes alot time, not a valid argument?

 

 

 

The discussion should be on topic, not expanded to something else or turn the topic into a suggestion.

 

BECAUSE IT DESTABILIZES THE FRAGILE RS ECONOMY.

 

 

 

How would YOU like it if one day Dharok's helm were 3.2m, the next day 200k?

 

How is it that you loose expensive and items which has no value but takes alot time, not a valid argument?

 

You missed the point. The "worthy of discussion\backing up" means you have to show that your idea is a good one and worth carrying out - something that you have utterly failed to do, as all of the proposed solutions have irreversible flaws. See this thread for details on where the guidelines emerged. By your logic, I could post saying that no one was rich enough and a billion GP should be dropped every time any monster was killed. Of course, it would completely ruin the game, but that's Jagex job, right? Just because my post has no logic whatsoever behind it and has no possible solution doesn't mean I can't post it!

 

 

 

Sorry, but that's exactly what the rants forum guidelines are there for. You can't whine about something which is your own fault and for which there is no solution =D>

SirHemen doesn't need to state the obvious. Although it would clear things up a bit, it's not 100% necessary. Jagex has a brain and they can infer that a player saying, "I hate when I only keep items that the game dictates are more valuable than the items I truly find more valuable," means that there should be a way where the player decides what is more valuable in the context of Items Lost on Death as opposed to what the game dictates.

 

 

 

It's self-explanatory.

 

BECAUSE IT DESTABILIZES THE FRAGILE RS ECONOMY.

 

 

 

How would YOU like it if one day Dharok's helm were 3.2m, the next day 200k?

 

That wouldn't bother me so much. What would bother me would be losing my fire cape to 1 GP, and the massive influx of rants on this forum of that manner. There's a reason the death system is the way it is, and it involves a large corporation knowing more about the game they programmed then one angry person who died and lost his stuff at a place where he was well aware of the inherit risks thanks to the many safeguards and methods to determine items lost and elements of danger :|

SirHemen doesn't need to state the obvious. Although it would clear things up a bit, it's not 100% necessary. Jagex has a brain and they can infer that a player saying, "I hate when I only keep items that the game dictates are more valuable than the items I truly find more valuable," means that there should be a way where the player decides what is more valuable in the context of Items Lost on Death as opposed to what the game dictates.

 

 

 

It's self-explanatory.

 

Not at all. Not only has hemen specifically said he has no clue how to fix it (viewtopic.php?f=66&t=791116&p=6593814#p6593726): "I don't got a solution", any of the proposed solutions would have drastic repercussions that would affect far more then a few people who forgot to check their "items kept upon death" chart.

 

 

 

I'm afraid it's not obvious to the rest of us, as no one here has posted it or demonstrated an understanding besides you. All sarcasm aside, I would appreciate it if you would tell us what you believe the solution is, as I for one (as well as the OP) am not getting it. To be honest, I don't think there is a system that would prove flexible enough to replace our current one, but just because I haven't thought of it certainly doesn't mean there isn't one.

Someone said that the problem with pre-selecting is that if you get an armadyl hilt, you might lose it to, say, a granite shield.

 

 

 

Here's my idea: pre-select the three items you keep on death, but you can change them on the fly.

 

 

 

Example: I go to solo Bandos and choose to protect Tassets, Karils top, and Godsword (not optimal equipment, I get it, just bear with me). Before I go, I rank the three items:

 

 

 

Godsword

 

Tassets

 

Karils top

 

 

 

Then I go and got a hilt drop. When right clicking the hilt, I get the options "Keep-1" "Keep-2" and "Keep-3". That makes that drop your #1, 2, or 3 protected item, pushing the rest down one. That way, you can select the three items and adjust them on the fly.

 

 

 

I'll work out the kinks in it when I have more time for the flaws to be found.

Someone said that the problem with pre-selecting is that if you get an armadyl hilt, you might lose it to, say, a granite shield.

 

 

 

Here's my idea: pre-select the three items you keep on death, but you can change them on the fly.

 

 

 

Example: I go to solo Bandos and choose to protect Tassets, Karils top, and Godsword (not optimal equipment, I get it, just bear with me). Before I go, I rank the three items:

 

 

 

Godsword

 

Tassets

 

Karils top

 

 

 

Then I go and got a hilt drop. When right clicking the hilt, I get the options "Keep-1" "Keep-2" and "Keep-3". That makes that drop your #1, 2, or 3 protected item, pushing the rest down one. That way, you can select the three items and adjust them on the fly.

 

 

 

I'll work out the kinks in it when I have more time for the flaws to be found.

 

Adding 3 right click context menus to every item is going to vastly clutter the screen; items with multiple uses will fill half your inventory when right clicked. And it's certainly not idiot proof; plenty's the time I've forgotten to pray or even pick up my drop after receiving something good, and it would be quite frequently overlooked to protect my specific items. And what about worn\equipped items? Adding 3 more menus will almost triple to total size of the right click menu, making it that much more complex and cluttered. Usability and appearance must also be considered for an update.

Adding 3 right click context menus to every item is going to vastly clutter the screen; items with multiple uses will fill half your inventory when right clicked. And it's certainly not idiot proof; plenty's the time I've forgotten to pray or even pick up my drop after receiving something good, and it would be quite frequently overlooked to protect my specific items. And what about worn\equipped items? Adding 3 more menus will almost triple to total size of the right click menu, making it that much more complex and cluttered. Usability and appearance must also be considered for an update.

 

 

 

I would consider having something you can turn on/off like the Assist on/off at the bottom of the screen (not sure where to put it) -- if you have this option toggled off, the Keep-# options wouldn't appear in the right click menu. I'd add the Keep-# to the equipment page as well.

 

 

 

I came up with this about two minutes before my last post, so it's imperfect. I appreciate you pointing out the flaws -- maybe I could make it into something that works.

Adding 3 right click context menus to every item is going to vastly clutter the screen; items with multiple uses will fill half your inventory when right clicked. And it's certainly not idiot proof; plenty's the time I've forgotten to pray or even pick up my drop after receiving something good, and it would be quite frequently overlooked to protect my specific items. And what about worn\equipped items? Adding 3 more menus will almost triple to total size of the right click menu, making it that much more complex and cluttered. Usability and appearance must also be considered for an update.

 

 

 

I would consider having something you can turn on/off like the Assist on/off at the bottom of the screen (not sure where to put it) -- if you have this option toggled off, the Keep-# options wouldn't appear in the right click menu. I'd add the Keep-# to the equipment page as well.

 

 

 

I came up with this about two minutes before my last post, so it's imperfect. I appreciate you pointing out the flaws -- maybe I could make it into something that works.

 

It's an interesting approach that I hadn't considered, but I'm still not convinced it could be done effectively withotu cluttering up the screen, and there would be countless rants from people who forgot to protect very high ticket drops - I know I would be one of them. As it is, the very valuable drops always have high high alch prices, limiting the damage. And thanks for accepting the constructive criticism :P