self sufficient accounts, how hard could it possibly be?

[ClassicCoke]

I've been thinking about how rare is it to see anyone who is self sufficient anymore. It was relevant to be in classic when there werent many resources, but now it's a click away with the Grand Exchange. Moving on, I was thinking is it possible to be completely self sufficient from level 3, all the way to 99 in every stat? By completely I do mean no trading or grand exchange of any sorts. (except for selling) You can buy items from NPC's which either don't come from monster drops or be made by you (are there any items that do that?)

 

 

 

It occured to me that it would be very difficult and tedious due to you need vastly higher resource skills to meet the need of the others. IE you would need 85 mining and 93ish smithing for rune scimitar, 85 slayer for whip, doing barrows to obtain barrows ETC.

 

 

 

Which skill would be the hardest?

 

 

 

How long would it take to get from fresh off tutorial island to maxed total doing this?

 

 

 

Do you think it will ever happen?

[forestfrolic]

It has happened.. let me go find the link to the thread of an amazing account.

 

 

 

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[quelmotz]

Very good idea for a debate. I'm looking forward to some heated debates here.

 

 

 

IMHO, it is possible to be entirely self-sufficient, just that it will be EXTREMELY tedious to do something.

 

 

 

Yes, you won't have access to some things easily, e.g. Dragon Weapons, etc, and no access at all to things like party hats, but DO THOSE THINGS matter? No. They might speed up training, but you can always do things with the old-fashioned items.

 

 

 

An interesting observation would be that Barrows Weapons would be "worth" less than rune weapons, despite them being better. You need 85+ smithing to smith rune weapons, whereas only lower-level combat to get barrows.

[Owned_Nex]

Of corse it is possible...it would just take a very long time.

 

 

 

/debate

[ClassicCoke]

Of corse it is possible...it would just take a very long time.

 

 

 

/debate

 

 

 

I Fixed the title so you can't make escuses not think.

[Fairness]

I've been thinking about how rare is it to see anyone who is self sufficient anymore. It was relevant to be in classic when there werent many resources, but now it's a click away with the Grand Exchange. Moving on, I was thinking is it possible to be completely self sufficient from level 3, all the way to 99 in every stat? By completely I do mean no trading or grand exchange of any sorts. (except for selling) You can buy items from NPC's which either don't come from monster drops or be made by you (are there any items that do that?)

 

 

 

It occured to me that it would be very difficult and tedious due to you need vastly higher resource skills to meet the need of the others. IE you would need 85 mining and 93ish smithing for rune scimitar, 85 slayer for whip, doing barrows to obtain barrows ETC.

 

 

 

Which skill would be the hardest?

 

 

 

How long would it take to get from fresh off tutorial island to maxed total doing this?

 

 

 

Do you think it will ever happen?

 

 

 

Or just kill a few cockroach soldiers for a rune scimitar. Before that, I'm pretty sure you can find at least black or mith weapons lying around.

 

 

 

Max out? Are you kidding me? Try getting the necessary amount of tree seeds to get to 99 farming. You'd be struggling to get vegetable seeds which do come as monster drops. (You could steal lower level seeds and occasionally a better seed from master farmers, but that's it...)

 

 

 

I think I'll try this self-sufficiency thing if my main ever gets banned, stolen, sold, or anything of that sort, but until then, probably not. I tried a F2P "how well can I cope in the wildy alone" thing once, but that didn't quite work out because F2P has too few supplies either way. I couldn't even smith bronze stuff there - either the mine or the anvil was missing! Fishing would have been required to be done in the bandit camp, among hostile rats and yes, also bandits, not to mention I'd have been limited to shrimps and anchovies until the time I would have gotten to 35 cooking (pizzas).

[Guest]

I posted this on a different thread when comparing RL economies to the RS economy.

 

 

 

 

Jagex could take away the G.E. and stop all player trades. The result apart from many unhappy people? Very little. If they played long enough anyone could start a level 3 account and get all skills to 99, get most items through drops (armour, weps, treasure trails etc.), make the things they need and still play the game. In short, its not like a real economy as we don't have to depend on it if we dont want to. We could get everything ourselves. We dont because we're lazy, our stats might not be high enough to get to or make certain things, and we don't have much patience waiting for those elusive drops. Rares and some things for F2P such as treasure trail items are the exception. If the RS economy ground to a halt, life could continue in RS. No-one dies, no wars, job losses etc. If you're unhappy about paying for certain things, go out and get them yourself. If you don't have the skills, train them. Apart from rares you don't have to rely on the RS ecomony at all. It's painful if you don't but it can be done. Alcing often solves the cash problem.

 

 

 

The only thing for a member that you couldn't obtain are rares. Everything else is within your grasp. Just it will take you a LONG time lol.

[nerdboyxxx]

Well, it is possible. In fact, it could be quite fun, not having to rely on other people. I am thinking of creating a DIY chracter for f2p, just to try it out. This would require quite a lot of work, but it would be an interesting thing to do. I like the idea of gathering everything you need for a skill, however it would be quite troublesome. Eh, I'm off to create it now lol. Gotta find out whether I'm allowed to sell things on the grand exchange though...

 

 

 

Am I allowed to sell things on the grand exchange? :?

[forestfrolic]

Well, it is possible. In fact, it could be quite fun, not having to rely on other people. I am thinking of creating a DIY chracter for f2p, just to try it out. This would require quite a lot of work, but it would be an interesting thing to do. I like the idea of gathering everything you need for a skill, however it would be quite troublesome. Eh, I'm off to create it now lol. Gotta find out whether I'm allowed to sell things on the grand exchange though...

 

 

 

Am I allowed to sell things on the grand exchange? :?

 

Nope. You can't trade.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I think that being a DIYer fails the 'feasibility test'. An ideal has to be both possible and practical for it to be feasible.

 

 

 

Let's cut to the chase and say that yes, it's perfectly possible to do it all yourself. But it isn't by any means practical.

 

 

 

I debated doing most things myself (did probably 90% of my 92 Smithing on my own, with smelting ores), but in retrospect, if I could have afforded it, I would have bought the entire thing and been just as satisfied, not to mention it wouldn't have taken seven months to do it.

 

 

 

The thing about not relying on the community for things (raws, goods, or bringing your goods to market) only makes it harder for you to enjoy the game. I'd imagine that, while being a DIYer might be one hell of an accomplishment, you're not having nearly as much fun as you would claim to be.

 

 

 

To give you a hint as to how hard I think it would be, just take a look at how many iron bars is required to get 99 Smithing from 15. Any player that did that themselves would probably rethink the reason that they're playing in the first place.

[archimage_a]

Hmmm, well as someone who didn't trade for the first 6 months because they didn't know how, and reached level 30 in all the skills... Followed by hating trades, even selling because of the tedious process you have to go though, managing to level most skills to 60 on my own...I would say that Self-Sufficiency is only hard if you know that there are easier options.

 

For instance I recently levelled from 60 cooking to 78 though total self-sufficency making Tuna and Corn Potatos(The most difficult thing was making the butter...though I have over a 1000 buckets from 5ish years of randomly collecting bits and peices, and over a 1000 bowls so...)

 

By the end of that I decided to buy the butter because the price had crashed so it must have been around the 12th of June. But I then leveled to 80.

 

 

 

In truth it was not a terrible experiance. I had my ten thousand potato seeds from the month before it came out, I had been steadly growing them since it came out at the Ghost town. The corn I had about nine hundred seeds and had been growing them south of Fally for the XP...

 

I had didn't have any Tuna so I went out fishing there. Once I had finished there I went to Burthorpe to cook the sweetcorn and burn one potato, then to Lumbridge to cook the potatos, then to Yannile to milk and churn. Then to Varrock to make the potatoes and finally to sell them on the grand exchange on the 26th. Making an 11 Mill profit(Minus however much the butter cost), as well as catching up on my reading, gaining half a mill fishing experiance and making use of otherwise useless produce from farming...

 

Added to that it was a solid repetative job as happened when I tried to pure monkfishing, because if I was getting depressingly bored with Yannile I could go to Varrock and make some potatos, I could mix and match.

 

 

 

Self-sufficency is really only difficult if you desperately want the mindnumbing boredom of puring a skill.

 

Though some people will say that after 5 years I should have 99 everything as well as twenty party hats and thirty different capes. I would say that doesn't appeal to me...I play runescape because it is fun, end of.

 

 

 

 

 

In any case I would say that IF you were mind numbingly bored(already) you COULD pure train self-sufficently, I would say that it was a bad idea. Self-sufficency is hard work and puring is hard work...put them together and you have an crushing amount of hard work and a serouis drain on your time...and for very little gain in return.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

That's pretty much me. I'm entirely self-sufficient. In my 7 years of playing, I've never bought anything from another player. I've obtained pretty much everything myself.

 

 

 

I've sold thing.

 

I've given things away.

 

I've received things.

 

I have never bought anything off another player or in the GE.

 

 

 

It will suck though when I seriously train summoning. Secondary items and all that. I've gotten that to 80 off my own stuff, lamps, p-points, quests, and Tears of Guthix.

[Jacks0n]

Well think about trying to get a bandos set..

 

 

 

The tediousness of making the prayer pots and the familiars, and fishing and cooking the sharks ect.. It'd be incredibly frustrating.

[nerdboyxxx]

Well, it is possible. In fact, it could be quite fun, not having to rely on other people. I am thinking of creating a DIY chracter for f2p, just to try it out. This would require quite a lot of work, but it would be an interesting thing to do. I like the idea of gathering everything you need for a skill, however it would be quite troublesome. Eh, I'm off to create it now lol. Gotta find out whether I'm allowed to sell things on the grand exchange though...

 

 

 

Am I allowed to sell things on the grand exchange? :?

 

Nope. You can't trade.

 

 

 

Coool :P

 

 

 

OT: After playing my self sufficient account, I can safely say that it is not hard at all. A bit more difficult on f2p worlds, but it is a lot of fun to not have to rely on any other players.

 

 

 

Obviously, getting armour on f2p is a big issue if you have to make it yourself (I'd have to get 99 mining and smithing to make rune armour for myself) but otherwise it's all cool :)