Hegemony Argument Thread

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Tis true Ross, everything was controlled by the brain.

Can't say that really makes a whole lot of difference....one big brain to replace lots of little ones.

 

If we could go back, it would have been stressful to play, but entertaining to watch.

[Nero]

The outcome was already decided however, even if Doom and Ross had banded together I would have beaten them.

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Oh please, V1 was always about repeating how awesome you were until everyone believed it.

There was nothing certain or inevitable, except in people's minds.

[Nero]

V1 was the funnest one. So much crazy.

 

And you're saying that Doom+Ross could beat my nigh-invincible horde of baby spitting demons from the underworld?

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A pacistical pixal could have beat your hoard...provided the person controlling it was willing to spend 6 weeks incessantly arguing about how it would own your hoard with it's pacistical pixal

[Icuownage]

Obvs could beat his army, its a tiny freakin dot, like hell he could hit it.

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Turn off the screen? Shoot the computer? Upload a virus?

 

 

....point out it's lack of weapons or ability to move....The list is endless.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Archi, thats completly exaggerating though.

[Icuownage]

If were going for sprite combat...

 

I call up the entire Nintendo hero battle team. Game over.

[Seraphi]

I had droves of invisible mechanical assassins with wire that could cut through anything, and drones which were LOL HIVEMIND.

[Nero]

A pacistical pixal could have beat your hoard...provided the person controlling it was willing to spend 6 weeks incessantly arguing about how it would own your hoard with it's pacistical pixal

You were the moderator.

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If people wanted something, they generally did it regardless. My 'authority', as it were, was not established in any real way.

[Seraphi]

A pacistical pixal could have beat your hoard...provided the person controlling it was willing to spend 6 weeks incessantly arguing about how it would own your hoard with it's pacistical pixal

You were the moderator.

Sorry, but weren't you a primary example of somebody ignoring the moderator to do what they thought was fair?

 

I mean, we all did it at one point or another, but you were generally the one I remember.

[Nero]

A pacistical pixal could have beat your hoard...provided the person controlling it was willing to spend 6 weeks incessantly arguing about how it would own your hoard with it's pacistical pixal

You were the moderator.

Sorry, but weren't you a primary example of somebody ignoring the moderator to do what they thought was fair?

 

I mean, we all did it at one point or another, but you were generally the one I remember.

Not during war.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Archi wasn't mod of hegemony v1 ever, if he was moderator are you saying that he basically entered the thread and became moderator?

 

I wrote it in the form of a script, did that happen?

 

Ross: I make an army of super laz0r robots and defences.

Dusty: I'm conquering a country

Rocco: Kill Kill Killl Killl Killlllll!!!

Pie: Liquid catssssss!1

Hex: :twss:

Doom: Peaaaaaaace.

Mather: Staaaaaaaaaaaargate!!

Sere: Hiel england!

Archimage: Hai Guise

Ross: Hai, join my MEGA-ALLIANCE

Mather: Hai

Sere: Hai, BTW ENGLAND [bleep]ing rules

Archimage: Btw i'm mod now.

Rocco: Ok sure!

Pie: Ok Sure

Ross: yeh!

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

I know its a double post but I think this deserves a double post.

 

Now, I think this could be a good system for the next hegemony, it may mean a bit more work for the moderator but atleast the figures aren't random.

So there are two countries team A and team B.

 

Team A's soldiers

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Notes: Has body armour and a rifle. [/hide]

 

Team B's soldier

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Notes: Hal suit with full body armour, got a vapouriser gun[/hide]

 

Now its obvious that the more powerful soldier is B so after some discussion in hegemony about which one will win it turns out that the ratio will be:

1:10

A:B

 

So for every kill A makes, B kills 10

Then you work out the deaths.

 

 

B's army is 1000, a's army is 10,001.

Using the ratio to find out how many B would kill it turns out that one of A's soldiers survive.

 

Also it works if the ratio is 1:1 (a bit unlikely)

It even acounts for adding tanks and such, you just add them to the gross deaths.

The mod can add or change it a bit due to terrain and such.

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This is why I was made Hegemony War Moderator....I had these cutting edge ideas almost a year ago...

You, after having seen the idea in practice for at least six months, have just 'originated' it.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Archi, you already do that?

I thought you just made it up off the top of your head, it looks like it.

[Icuownage]

What about a hero chance XD? The losing side has a 5% chance of getting a soldier who kills X(roll a dice) : 1

 

A 1% chance that the entire army is pepped up and they get the better KTD ratio :P

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

Icu, killing people doesn't make you a hero :wink:

But yeh that would be cool and the pepped up army chance could be done by how well you treat them which brings me onto my next idea which I might post sometime in the near future.

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Archi, you already do that.

I thought you just made it up off the top of your head, it looks like it.

 

No, I work out roughly what should happen, using a ratio, then I add flavour, because the ratio approach means that throwing troops around wins wars....Like throwing money around wins research...like throwing population around gives massive armies...like throwing large numbers around makes science work.

 

I have said it before, and I will say it again, Hegemony is based on arbitration, not on complicated systems that include every eventuality...we tried that, it didn't work...now we try this, see if it works, if it does then good, if not then we try something else.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

I have said it before, and I will say it again, Hegemony is based on arbitration, not on complicated systems that include every eventuality...we tried that, it didn't work...now we try this, see if it works, if it does then good, if not then we try something else.

You've also said that Hegemony was too complicated to be casual gameplay, that systems needed to be in place to include every eventuality and use that research system.

Edit: and that ship combat thing.

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Yup, then we created Empire, and it turned out that comprehensive systems fail because people interpret things differently. So, the best plan so far is to have a comprehensive system which is controlled by the moderator, and no one else.

The most comprehensive system is arbitration, and it benefits from not being caught up in complicated knots down the line, since the rules can change to straighten things out.

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

With lots of people arbitration is the best.

With one person its not.

 

Thats my theory.

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You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.