Comparative Profits

[wioneo]

I've been killing TD's a lot recently, and after seeing how horribly ineffiicent killing the corporeal beast is, I've been considering what sort of profits are to be expected in other areas of the game.

 

So I have a few questions, and most of the information in this topic is completely irrelevant for you and will be used for personal referrence, so please skip the rubbish and read the questions near the bottom.

 

You probably don't care about this

 

=Tormented Demons=

Based on my numbers I've been getting 25 kills per 54 minute(life span of pony) trip, so basically 25 kills per hour being generous with banking time. While consuming 230 or so broad bolts, 6 prayer potions, 40 or so unicorn scrolls, 1 extreme range, attack, and strength, 1 pony pouch, and 1 poh tab for a total trip cost of 141.68k at May 26, 2010 prices. My dismal drop rate has been 1:388 for claws and 1:333 for ruined pieces.

 

25 Kills/hr

141.68k Cost/hr

Average Profit per kill from main drops =~

1/333 * 3.84m ~ 11.52k from lumps

1/388 * 36.35m ~ 93.68k from claws

=105.20k on average

 

So 2.63m minus 141.68k = 2.49m on average from big drops with my past rates.

 

=Graardor=

I've seen 1/150-200 rate tossed around pretty often for hilts, so I will use 1/150 to give an edge to a newer experience. Using Tlin's log and the above number I get 1:34(graardor spawns) as the chance to get any of the armour pieces assuming each piece has an equal chance to be dropped.

 

24 Kills/hr

?? Cost/hr

Average Profit per kill from main drops =~

1/150 * 23.09m ~ 153.93k from hilt

1/34 * 16.25m ~ 477.84k from armour (using average price of armour)

=631.77k on average

 

=Kree'ara=

Same deal as bandos, but with a slightly lower armour drop rate(presumably from fewer minions being killed).

 

15 Kills/hr

?? Cost/hr

Average Profit per kill from main drops =~

1/150 * 89.90m ~ 599.33k from hilt

1/33 * 12.23m ~ 370.71k from armour (using average price of armour)

=970.04k on average

 

=Zilyana=

Similar to the others, but now just swords instead of 3 armour items. Which interestingly enough have a similar droprate of 1/32(per spawn including minions).

 

?? Kills/hr

?? Cost/hr

Average Profit per kill from main drops =~

1/150 * 61.60m ~ 410.67k from hilt

1/32 * 8.90m ~ 278.13k from swords

=688.80k on average

 

=Rex=

Well, bit harder to find a rate here...but I stumbled across one log of 1608 kills which is decent enough for rough estimates in my opinion. This guy recorded 12 axe drops, 11 warrior rings, and 19 berserker rings. Also with a yak we're guaranteed bones and hides every kill.

 

?? Kills/hr

?? Cost/hr

Average Profit per kill from main drops =~

1/134* 2.00m ~ 14.93k from axe

1/147 * 521.10k ~ 3.54k from warrior ring

1/85 * 4.90m ~ 57.65k from berserker ring

3.34k - 450 = 2.89k from hides

13.10k - 450 = 12.65k from bones

=91.66k on average

 

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Ok that is a lot of text which for all intents and purposes is completely irrlevant to answering the questions which I am going to ask, which are...

 

How long does kc take on average for bandos/arma/sara?

How many solo kills are expected on average assuming best buyable gear(no ely/divine) and stats below for bandos/arma/sara?

How long does a solo trip generally last at bandos/arma/sara?

How long on average does preparation+running through waterbirth take on average?

How many solo mage kills using best method/gear with the stats below can be expected pe trip?

How long on average does a solo mage trip last?

 

Well that is a lot of questions, feel free to completely ignore or answer any/all of them.

[bedman]

Your calculations are wrong.

 

Hilts aren't 1/150. I think they are 1/300 or even 1/600. Also, 1/34 on an armour piece of Bandos is completely false. With 600k per bandos kill, you would make over 12M/h :-) (people report 20-30 bandos kills an hour).

 

Just from what I've heard, these are money rates:

 

Dk's: 3m/h (hybridding with yak, don't solo mage, it's a waste waiting for spawns. At least do Prime too then, or just tribrid).

Td's: 3-3.5m/h (your kill rate is low tbh, use a steel titan, claws and spec restores, and you should manage 40-50 kills/h).

Bandos: 3m+/h (not sure on how much it was exactly, but something over 3m)

Armadyl: 4m+/h (again not sure).

 

I know I'm not really answering your questions here, but I think you should first start out with correct information (+ I don't know the answers, I don't do GWD, nor do I solo mage)

[ghjkl]

Steel titan is amazing, and tbh you should use it at every boss besides sara, which I find a waste imo. KC and prep for bandos takes 6 minutes, 6:30 if you aren't geared, kc and prep for arma takes around 10 minutes. You can get 10 arma kills in a 30 min trip, or 12 bandos kills in a 24 minute trip. With tding, you can get around 40 kills an hour with spec restores and dragon claws and steel titan. The assumed drop rate for claws is 1 in 250, so it would be around 5m an hour with the rest of the drops balancing costs. Dking takes 5 minutes to get to using burstinglobs, and with 2.5 bridding or supreme/rex bridding thats around 4.5m an hour with overloads.

[muggiwhplar]

Td's: 3-3.5m/h (your kill rate is low tbh, use a steel titan, claws and spec restores, and you should manage 40-50 kills/h).

 

Claws are about 1 in 250... at the rarest, 1 in 300. If you kill 50/h, that's about 6 hours per claw, or 5M gp/hour. Right?

[bedman]

Td's: 3-3.5m/h (your kill rate is low tbh, use a steel titan, claws and spec restores, and you should manage 40-50 kills/h).

 

Claws are about 1 in 250... at the rarest, 1 in 300. If you kill 50/h, that's about 6 hours per claw, or 5M gp/hour. Right?

That's right. The numbers I wrote down weren't any calculations or anything, just basic numbers I remembered (perhaps wrong) from somewhere. The point was that HIS numbers were wrong too :-)

[wioneo]

Ok, so that is 12 Bandos kills per 30 minute trip, and 10 arma kills per 40 minute trip. Would anyone else like to confirm or dispute those numbers? If not, average equipment cost estimates would be nice, and I'm still looking for average trip length and kill count for sara and rex if anyone here has some experience with either of those two, but if not personal testing will eventually be done for all scenarios.

[notasoupbowl]

For solo rex, you can stay there for many hours, I usually set up for 4 hours trips if I'm solo maging, as it gets boring. As long as you know how to lure rex without pray.. which not everyone is confident enough to do. Emergency prayer for crashers only.

For killing rex + prime, around 2 hours.

[ghjkl]

Dont bother solo maging rex, its so horrible, hybrid rex and supreme is much more money. As for sara IDK the kill rates, but I heard that it is not as good as bandos or arma.

[wioneo]

Td's: 3-3.5m/h (your kill rate is low tbh, use a steel titan, claws and spec restores, and you should manage 40-50 kills/h).

 

Claws are about 1 in 250... at the rarest, 1 in 300. If you kill 50/h, that's about 6 hours per claw, or 5M gp/hour. Right?

That's right. The numbers I wrote down weren't any calculations or anything, just basic numbers I remembered (perhaps wrong) from somewhere. The point was that HIS numbers were wrong too :-)

 

I would love to see a video showing 50/hour. I would love to see 40/hour really.

 

Low 30s via traditional style is easily doable with focus, and I'd assume possibly upper 30s to 40s with a titan(only ever bothered with that once), but from my experience, people tend to exaggerate. I tend to be honest, and honesty is not always as impressive, however honest numbers are significantly more useful than exaggerated numbers.

 

EDIT: Assuming I would take the same amount of damage and use about 5 titan scrolls per kill on average, switching to titan, overloads, and brews would cost an additional 59.5k for scrolls, 256k for overloads, and 51.34k for brews, for a total increase of 366.84k with an extra 2.64k for brews and 2.38k for scrolls per gained kill with unquantifiable increased effort, should be interesting to test the most cost effective method. Just need 1 extra kill to justify a titan or 2-3 to justify overloads.

[SirIzenhime]

Dont bother solo maging rex, its so horrible, hybrid rex and supreme is much more money.

 

IF you have a Yak. I tried Hybriding Prime and Supreme before I had a yak, and I found Solo Maging rex to be MUCH more money. I never walked out earning less then 1.3m an hour solo maging rex WITHOUT a yak. I might have gotten lucky though, since I got more Zerker Rings then Warrior rings.

 

If you have a Yak, Hybriding Supreme and Prime is easily better, since you can bank the hides and bones.

[ghjkl]

No hybriding supreme and rex is the best money period. You don't waste time waiting for spawns and supreme and rex are the fastest to kill and the most profitable. As for tding with a steel titan I'm sure 50 per hour is possible, I get around 42 including banking but that is without chaotic weapon's. Check woox16's thread on the rsof if you don't believe me.

[Cactuaar]

How do people manage to stay so long though with only a few brews with a steel titan? Surely you must take damage occasionally, and that would add up. With one spawn killing I managed to kill at a rate of over 25ish per hour, but I have to leave too early which loses out on some time, and therefore some kills. Do people use soul split when they melee, or during the claw specs? Or do I need more practice with switching more efficiently?

[ghjkl]

How do people manage to stay so long though with only a few brews with a steel titan? Surely you must take damage occasionally, and that would add up. With one spawn killing I managed to kill at a rate of over 25ish per hour, but I have to leave too early which loses out on some time, and therefore some kills. Do people use soul split when they melee, or during the claw specs? Or do I need more practice with switching more efficiently?

 

Soul split when it melees. Really not that hard, you shouldn't take damage except from maybe stray demons.

[wioneo]

How do people manage to stay so long though with only a few brews with a steel titan? Surely you must take damage occasionally, and that would add up. With one spawn killing I managed to kill at a rate of over 25ish per hour, but I have to leave too early which loses out on some time, and therefore some kills. Do people use soul split when they melee, or during the claw specs? Or do I need more practice with switching more efficiently?

 

Soul split when it melees. Really not that hard, you shouldn't take damage except from maybe stray demons.

 

You switch prayer as normal until it melees and then you use split. The demon won't change style if you're not blocking the damage, and you will take hits from the melee(they are very innaccurate) and the magic spec of the demon you're attacking and the one that you have trapped. You *will* take damage while luring the second demon and returning to kill your main one if you use 2 spawns, and if you don't you will kill significantly slower but use less food.

[brunokiller]

Just do whatever you like the most, you won't keep it up for long if you hate it. Personally I mainly log on to do farm runs and afk fish when i don't log out shorty after.

 

Uni :thumbup:

[TheAncient]

Just do whatever you like the most, you won't keep it up for long if you hate it. Personally I mainly log on to do farm runs and afk fish when i don't log out shorty after.

 

Uni :thumbup:

 

:thumbup: Best way to approach it. I agree totally. It's extremely important to weigh in personal enjoyment.

 

You also can't really equate a probabilistic expectation (probability * profit) with real profit. In other words, I'd very much rather make a consistent 2.5M/hr at DK's than have a long-run average of 3M an hour at TD's.

 

I personally am in love with DK tribrid. It's easy, it's fun, it's a lot of profit.

 

No hybriding supreme and rex is the best money period. You don't waste time waiting for spawns and supreme and rex are the fastest to kill and the most profitable. As for tding with a steel titan I'm sure 50 per hour is possible, I get around 42 including banking but that is without chaotic weapon's. Check woox16's thread on the rsof if you don't believe me.

 

In my experience, I disagree. I prefer tribriding [Prime(til 10 hp)-Rex-Prime(finish off)-Supreme(SS/Range Flick)-Rex(SS)]. With that method, you can SS both rex and supreme and that saves you a LOT of food, meaning you can stay almost a full 1 hour longer. You also don't have to use longrange on Prime so your Prime kill is really quite fast. Plus you can expect at least 500k/trip, if not up to 1.5m/trip, just off of tallies

 

The problem with looking at these things so mathematically is that there are so many factors unaccounted for. For example, the risk and chance of dying at each boss, the number of times you get crashed, hopping worlds, etc. That's why I hesitate to make such detailed calculations. All I do is record the profit after each trip to get a rough estimate of my profit, and if I'm satisfied with it then that's good enough for me.

[wioneo]

Just do whatever you like the most, you won't keep it up for long if you hate it. Personally I mainly log on to do farm runs and afk fish when i don't log out shorty after.

 

Uni :thumbup:

 

:thumbup: Best way to approach it. I agree totally. It's extremely important to weigh in personal enjoyment.

 

You also can't really equate a probabilistic expectation (probability * profit) with real profit. In other words, I'd very much rather make a consistent 2.5M/hr at DK's than have a long-run average of 3M an hour at TD's.

 

I personally am in love with DK tribrid. It's easy, it's fun, it's a lot of profit.

 

No hybriding supreme and rex is the best money period. You don't waste time waiting for spawns and supreme and rex are the fastest to kill and the most profitable. As for tding with a steel titan I'm sure 50 per hour is possible, I get around 42 including banking but that is without chaotic weapon's. Check woox16's thread on the rsof if you don't believe me.

 

In my experience, I disagree. I prefer tribriding [Prime(til 10 hp)-Rex-Prime(finish off)-Supreme(SS/Range Flick)-Rex(SS)]. With that method, you can SS both rex and supreme and that saves you a LOT of food, meaning you can stay almost a full 1 hour longer. You also don't have to use longrange on Prime so your Prime kill is really quite fast. Plus you can expect at least 500k/trip, if not up to 1.5m/trip, just off of tallies

 

The problem with looking at these things so mathematically is that there are so many factors unaccounted for. For example, the risk and chance of dying at each boss, the number of times you get crashed, hopping worlds, etc. That's why I hesitate to make such detailed calculations. All I do is record the profit after each trip to get a rough estimate of my profit, and if I'm satisfied with it then that's good enough for me.

 

Several legitimate points, except I enjoy tds and from what I'm being told they are more profitable, which seems rather convenient.

[TheAncient]

 

Several legitimate points, except I enjoy tds and from what I'm being told they are more profitable, which seems rather convenient.

 

I enjoyed TD's for a long while. However, after over probably 3000 kills I find them incredibly dull.

 

I'm pretty sure they're better long-run profit than DK's though. Although, right now I am pretty broke (bank <150M) and don't want to risk a long drystreak at TD's (and thus a long period without good gear)

[TheAncient]

 

:thumbup: Longest trip so far (125 kills) in ~2h. Second ~10M trip

[Erebus]

 

:thumbup: Longest trip so far (125 kills) in ~2h. Second ~10M trip

I prefer Dks over Td..

What would you recommend me with these Stats? (Atm Im Hybriding Rex/Surpreme)

 

PS:First post here :)

[TheAncient]

 

:thumbup: Longest trip so far (125 kills) in ~2h. Second ~10M trip

I prefer Dks over Td..

What would you recommend me with these Stats? (Atm Im Hybriding Rex/Surpreme)

 

PS:First post here :)

 

If you really want to do DK's, I'd solo rex at your stats. You could try hybriding too. Since you have a yak I think hybriding would be slightly more profit, at the cost of having to pay more attention and shorter trips.

 

TD's would almost certainly be higher profit for you.

 

It's really hard to run tribrid properly without turm/soul split and overloads. They're almost required to have a decent kill rate and a trip length over 1 hour.

[Erebus]

 

:thumbup: Longest trip so far (125 kills) in ~2h. Second ~10M trip

I prefer Dks over Td..

What would you recommend me with these Stats? (Atm Im Hybriding Rex/Surpreme)

 

PS:First post here :)

 

If you really want to do DK's, I'd solo rex at your stats. You could try hybriding too. Since you have a yak I think hybriding would be slightly more profit, at the cost of having to pay more attention and shorter trips.

 

TD's would almost certainly be higher profit for you.

 

It's really hard to run tribrid properly without turm/soul split and overloads. They're almost required to have a decent kill rate and a trip length over 1 hour.

 

I dont like Tds because they are so boring after a while..

Well i could buy Soulsplit OR Overloads but I think I´ll slay a while :wink:

Anyway thx for your help <3: