Gun Control

[angel_mage]

i personally don't live in a country were most 14 year olds could kill easily if they wanted. well some still do. but yeah i can't really imagine what it's like.

 

Unfortunately I live in a place where it's becoming a regular thing to hear on the news "Two men and a 15 year old robbed a bank" or something along the lines of this link: http://www.miamicriminallawyerblog.com/2010/03/one_of_the_youngest_criminals.html

 

Thankfully though, I don't live in Florida, I heard it's an awful place from one of my friends that used to live there.

[Dheginsea]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age. Also in the model congress club I'm in at my school I proposed a bill limiting the sale of bullets (which I believe does not inflict on a persons right to bear arms).

[Giordano]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

[Dheginsea]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

[dusky]

I don't agree with guns under any circumstances at all. It's bad enough to hear on the news everyday that people have been murdered with them, but also I have to hear about people accidentally getting killed by babies and people accidentally killing themselves. Do away with them once and for all and maybe the world will have a much smaller mortality rate.

 

 

 

that would be good. but. example, africans in the savanna.. TIGER!

or filmmakers in the arctic.. POLAR BEAR

 

i dunno guns are needed i reckons. were they originally made to kill people? they probably were actually wern't they..

 

but then you must hear about babies accidentally suffocating. or the woman that fell on some knives and died. its a very small minority, considering most households in the US own one (i think?)

 

Well, I wouldn't really mind if people in other countries own guns, but I'm concerned about the safety and well-being of my country as selfish as it sounds. It's scary having weapons that can kill from long range as opposed to a knife or bat of some sort.

 

 

i personally don't live in a country were most 14 year olds could kill easily if they wanted. well some still do. but yeah i can't really imagine what it's like.

 

Unfortunately I live in a place where it's becoming a regular thing to hear on the news "Two men and a 15 year old robbed a bank" or something along the lines of this link: http://www.miamicriminallawyerblog.com/2010/03/one_of_the_youngest_criminals.html

 

Thankfully though, I don't live in Florida, I heard it's an awful place from one of my friends that used to live there.

 

 

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age. Also in the model congress club I'm in at my school I proposed a bill limiting the sale of bullets (which I believe does not inflict on a persons right to bear arms).

 

Gotta love all the pro nanny-state sentiment on these forums.

[Giordano]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

Unnecessary, yes. Helpful, no. Rednecks may leave their guns lying around with safeties off, but I'm pretty damn sure (myself included) responsible gun owners won't place guns willy-nilly around the home.

[Furah]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

How about the responsible thing and teach them gun safety? Look at this video of a girl, 11, with a pistol firing blanks.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0

 

Come to think of it, the people who are weaker in terms of physical strength are the ones who most benefit from guns. My youngest sister is rather small for her age, and on top of that she had a stoke before birth, meaning that she has spastic cerebral palsy. She in no way could defend herself from a rapist by force, but with a gun she has a fighting chance. I want you to tell her that you want to keep guns away from her to keep her and my family safe. Tell her you would rather her be raped than to own a gun.

[das1330]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age. Also in the model congress club I'm in at my school I proposed a bill limiting the sale of bullets (which I believe does not inflict on a persons right to bear arms).

 

Your suggested legislation reminds me of the literacy tests and grandfather clauses of racist southern voting rules of the 1930s. Attempting to circumvent the basic rights of man through the creative lawyering of definitions harms society as a whole.

[Dheginsea]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

Come to think of it, the people who are weaker in terms of physical strength are the ones who most benefit from guns. My youngest sister is rather small for her age, and on top of that she had a stoke before birth, meaning that she has spastic cerebral palsy. She in no way could defend herself from a rapist by force, but with a gun she has a fighting chance. I want you to tell her that you want to keep guns away from her to keep her and my family safe. Tell her you would rather her be raped than to own a gun.

 

And what would you tell the mother of the child that your sister shot either accidently/or meaning to? Would you tell her that you would rather own a gun than have her child still be alive?

 

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age. Also in the model congress club I'm in at my school I proposed a bill limiting the sale of bullets (which I believe does not inflict on a persons right to bear arms).

 

Your suggested legislation reminds me of the literacy tests and grandfather clauses of racist southern voting rules of the 1930s. Attempting to circumvent the basic rights of man through the creative lawyering of definitions harms society as a whole.

 

I fail to see how this could compare to literacy/voting taxes? Those laws were used to discriminate against the rights of black people, this law is to protect younger people. When you have children you lose some rights one of those should be the right to bear arms. Also if the right to bear arms is a fundamental right for all people shouldn't the crimnaly insane have the right to bear arms and nor be bared from purchasing guns? Isn't that discrimination against a group of people?

[Furah]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

Come to think of it, the people who are weaker in terms of physical strength are the ones who most benefit from guns. My youngest sister is rather small for her age, and on top of that she had a stoke before birth, meaning that she has spastic cerebral palsy. She in no way could defend herself from a rapist by force, but with a gun she has a fighting chance. I want you to tell her that you want to keep guns away from her to keep her and my family safe. Tell her you would rather her be raped than to own a gun.

 

And what would you tell the mother of the child that your sister shot either accidently/or meaning to? Would you tell her that you would rather own a gun than have her child still be alive?

If the child had been shot on purpose, there would have been a reason for it.

 

Would you rather your own sister to be raped, over some person you don't even know being shot? If you don't have a sister, what about your mother? Your grandmother? Your closest female friend?

[Giordano]

 

Would you rather your own sister to be raped, over some person you don't even know being shot? If you don't have a sister, what about your mother? Your grandmother? Your closest female friend?

 

Giving people more value than others? Slow down Furah, TIF can't handle such 'immoral' stances. :grin:

[Furah]

 

Would you rather your own sister to be raped, over some person you don't even know being shot? If you don't have a sister, what about your mother? Your grandmother? Your closest female friend?

 

Giving people more value than others? Slow down Furah, TIF can't handle such 'immoral' stances. :grin:

You're right, I'm expecting too much.

[Dheginsea]

I think that we need much stricter laws on gun control especially for people who have children under 18 years of age.

A bit contradictory isn't it? You would WANT to protect your children. Besides avoiding school shootings, all such law would protect is the parents getting shot at by their kids. It sounds like another case of unnecessary government protection from ourselves, since it's the parents fault for risking it in the house.

No the law would prevent smaller children from playing with their gun and accidently shooting themselves or preventing school shootings. Also, yes the law would be unnecessary, but it also would be helpful if put inplace..

Come to think of it, the people who are weaker in terms of physical strength are the ones who most benefit from guns. My youngest sister is rather small for her age, and on top of that she had a stoke before birth, meaning that she has spastic cerebral palsy. She in no way could defend herself from a rapist by force, but with a gun she has a fighting chance. I want you to tell her that you want to keep guns away from her to keep her and my family safe. Tell her you would rather her be raped than to own a gun.

 

And what would you tell the mother of the child that your sister shot either accidently/or meaning to? Would you tell her that you would rather own a gun than have her child still be alive?

If the child had been shot on purpose, there would have been a reason for it.

 

Would you rather your own sister to be raped, over some person you don't even know being shot? If you don't have a sister, what about your mother? Your grandmother? Your closest female friend?

 

I meant accidently really, but even if the person meant to shoot the other child that does not neccisarly mean the shooter had a reason.

 

:eek: i find that statement to be so immoral! Personally i would rather sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped over the other person being shot and killed. If shot and only injured not killed than i would rather have the person shot than my sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped.

[Furah]

:eek: i find that statement to be so immoral! Personally i would rather sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped over the other person being shot and killed. If shot and only injured not killed than i would rather have the person shot than my sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped.

Really? Then again I don't care much for what people consider moral, morals change with society.

[Dheginsea]

:eek: i find that statement to be so immoral! Personally i would rather sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped over the other person being shot and killed. If shot and only injured not killed than i would rather have the person shot than my sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped.

Really? Then again I don't care much for what people consider moral, morals change with society.

 

Yes really, and of course morals change with the times.

[Furah]

:eek: i find that statement to be so immoral! Personally i would rather sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped over the other person being shot and killed. If shot and only injured not killed than i would rather have the person shot than my sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped.

Really? Then again I don't care much for what people consider moral, morals change with society.

 

Yes really, and of course morals change with the times.

Would you still say that if I told you that 33% of rape victims will have suicidal thoughts and 13% will attempt suicide? [1]

[Dheginsea]

:eek: i find that statement to be so immoral! Personally i would rather sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped over the other person being shot and killed. If shot and only injured not killed than i would rather have the person shot than my sister, or mother, or closest female, friend be raped.

Really? Then again I don't care much for what people consider moral, morals change with society.

 

Yes really, and of course morals change with the times.

Would you still say that if I told you that 33% of rape victims will have suicidal thoughts and 13% will attempt suicide? [1]

 

Then i would say it depends, if i knew that the raped person would then commit suicide i would rather another person be shot and killed. If i knew they would not, then i would prefer the rape over the death. And if i didn't know either way i would prefer the rape over the murder because there is a relatively large chance that there would be no loss of human life.

 

Sorry reply was a bit delayed been busy with school work.

[Furah]

Wow, just found out about Project Gunrunner, in the US the BATF are supplying guns to the Mexican drug cartels, they then later use eTrace to show which guns they recovered come from the US. Not only does this artificially inflate the success of eTrace and the amount of US firearms being sold to Mexicans, but it has also cost at least one person their life.

[obfuscator]

Wow, just found out about Project Gunrunner, in the US the BATF are supplying guns to the Mexican drug cartels, they then later use eTrace to show which guns they recovered come from the US. Not only does this artificially inflate the success of eTrace and the amount of US firearms being sold to Mexicans, but it has also cost at least one person their life.

There was actually a thread about this, let me find it..

 

edit: http://forum.tip.it/topic/290926-project-gun-runner-and-operation-fast-and-furious/

[Bourb0n]

This article has reminded me once again of the problems with American gun laws in prosecuting the innocent and allowing the guilty to go free. What is your opinion of gun laws around the world?

 

People kill people. They use guns to do it. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem. I agree we need to enforce stricter gun laws as far as restricting who can obtain them and how they can obtain them.

[Furah]

Just a quick hypothetical for the gun control advocates, if people started killing 20+ people in one attack using nothing but a kitchen knife, would you also advocate knife control in the same sense as you're advocating gun control?

[Giordano]

Just a quick hypothetical for the gun control advocates, if people started killing 20+ people in one attack using nothing but a kitchen knife, would you also advocate knife control in the same sense as you're advocating gun control?

Screw knives, I'll target the underground ninja schools.

 

OT: Looking forward to a response for this question.

[TrueBeaver]

Bump for response.

 

I don't like TIF, too many people here share my stances on politics. On RSC I'm much more scandalous.

 

I don't have much to add to what the fine gentlemen above have been saying except that when Britain essentially banned guns, nothing really changed. Considering this as well as the fact that Switzerland has essentially no gun crime, I think it's safe to say gun control is impractical at best and we should move onto something more pragmatic, such as gun education.

[foursideking]

The arguement I see is: gun owners are afraid that they'll be robbed, so they should be able to own/carry a gun on them.

 

Using this logic, it is safe to assume that I should be able to weild excalibur while having a porkchop in my pocket, to protect against jewish dragons.

[obfuscator]

Just a quick hypothetical for the gun control advocates, if people started killing 20+ people in one attack using nothing but a kitchen knife, would you also advocate knife control in the same sense as you're advocating gun control?

No, because of two reasons:

 

Firstly - knives are an important tool for non violent means. I already advocate the control of knives used specifically in human/human combat such as switchblades.

 

Secondly - the chance of someone being able to kill 20+ people with a knife is minuscule compared to using a firearm.