Primal rapier with Tactician?

[Dire_Wolf]

When i first learned that one could customize your ring of kinship, i was quick on chosing a custom. I choose Berserker. Little did i know there was "Tactician" which made you hit more in accurate stance. This sounds like a perfect custom to go along with Primal rapier.

 

So would this make Primal rapier better than Primal battleaxe?

[Bladewing]

no

 

battleaxe with berserker > rapier with berserker > rapier with tactician

 

NOT THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO ANY OF US ANYWAY

[Zephy]

no

 

battleaxe with berserker > rapier with berserker > rapier with tactician

 

NOT THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO ANY OF US ANYWAY

 

That's what I heard pretty consistently. (I was asking about getting a 1h prom bind.) But when I asked why, I always got ad hominem nonsense. What's the more objective reason why battleaxe is a better bind than rapier? (Also, throwing longsword into the comparison.)

[xpx]

Tactician class is more or less useless as you always lose the other attack style, actually making you less accurate in most cases.

[Youmu]

That's what I heard pretty consistently. (I was asking about getting a 1h prom bind.) But when I asked why, I always got ad hominem nonsense. What's the more objective reason why battleaxe is a better bind than rapier? (Also, throwing longsword into the comparison.)

I think it's because crush/slash combo is more useful than stab/slash combo in a lot of cases (especially in abandoned).

 

But yeah, you can use a longsword for stab, and it would be better than the rapier because it also has very good slash.

[Dire_Wolf]

no

 

battleaxe with berserker > rapier with berserker > rapier with tactician

 

NOT THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO ANY OF US ANYWAY

 

That's what I heard pretty consistently. (I was asking about getting a 1h prom bind.) But when I asked why, I always got ad hominem nonsense. What's the more objective reason why battleaxe is a better bind than rapier? (Also, throwing longsword into the comparison.)

Welcome to Tip.it. Where there are some jerks who will always be subjective when they reply, and when someone are skeptic to it, hoping for a objective comparision of item A and B, they will critizcize you for it.

 

Bladewing says "NOT THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO ANY OF US ANYWAY", a proof of him just posting to say that. Because why would someone reply to a Help and Advice question, if the topic poster will not listen?

 

Simple:

To flame.

 

 

 

And i do want Primal battleaxe, but at the moment i am not 89 Dungeoneering. :unsure: Thanks to everyone who have contributed to this topic, i will go change to Prom 2h and get Berserker tier 10.

[All_Bogs]

Tactician class is more or less useless as you always lose the other attack style, actually making you less accurate in most cases.

 

Yeah, this is actually a pretty valid point - the rapier only has a stab attack as far as accurate styles go, so you'd lose out against monsters with a weakness to slash. And between monsters weak to stab or weak to crush, I'm unsure if hitting more or hitting harder will end up superior - can't help out there I'm afraid. And as Sonikku said, slash + crush is generally the better combo anyway.

 

I'm also unsure on how the % to hit is added. Say, you have 80% chance to hit without Tactician. Say you have rank 5, so activating it would increase your chance to hit by 15%. Do you end up with 95% to hit (add +15%), with 92% to hit (80% * 1.15) or perhaps even with a measly 83% (20% miss chance reduced by 15%)?

 

 

As for the comparison with Primal Longsword, I'm unsure. Comparing it with Chaotic weaponry, the Rapier is seen as a better general purpose weapon despite its -19 Strength and -30 attack stats (comparing the best attack stat for each weapon). That said, the difference mustn't be particularly huge, given the huge size of the rapier vs longsword thread on general discussion. Between their Primal counterparts, the Rapier loses -25 Strength and -37 attack (against comparing best attack stats). This might just tip things in favour of the Primal longsword.

[Dire_Wolf]

The Primal longsword does not exist in the game for now. Why is it being brought up?

[All_Bogs]

Because Zephy mentioned it, and it will most likely be in game eventually. Doesn't hurt to be prepared for the future :P

[Dire_Wolf]

Because Zephy mentioned it, and it will most likely be in game eventually. Doesn't hurt to be prepared for the future :P

It don't but off topic :shades:

[SirIzenhime]

The rapier isn't good as a main weapon, but is well suited as a support weapon. A team is much better off if they have 1 or 2 rapier/spears in the team to stab monster that are strongly weak to it, then teams with only 2h/battleaxes

 

as for rings, the berserker is the best because using the rapier as an example, it lets you both stab and slash while in the berserker stance, but if you do tactician, you cannot use the slash option with the ring.

 

So getting the rapier isn't necessarily bad, just know you'll play more the support role and be useful mainly on stab weak and extremely low def (shades) monsters. You won't really be well suited to take on a full abandoned or occult floor on your own with it, unless you're C1 rushing

[Dire_Wolf]

The rapier isn't good as a main weapon, but is well suited as a support weapon. A team is much better off if they have 1 or 2 rapier/spears in the team to stab monster that are strongly weak to it, then teams with only 2h/battleaxes

 

as for rings, the berserker is the best because using the rapier as an example, it lets you both stab and slash while in the berserker stance, but if you do tactician, you cannot use the slash option with the ring.

 

So getting the rapier isn't necessarily bad, just know you'll play more the support role and be useful mainly on stab weak and extremely low def (shades) monsters. You won't really be well suited to take on a full abandoned or occult floor on your own with it, unless you're C1 rushing

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